#50599: — 11/24  at  12:32 PM
This comic tells me that the creator is black and there are in fact more than one. Look at them mucking through the primordial Ooze, somewhere in Arkansas, where creation started.

#50604: — 11/24  at  01:46 PM
In the CP article you mentioned that the IDers are careful never to mention who the designer is. I would like to nominate "that chair over there". In talking to 10 steppers (this state is just lousy with them - I'm from New England}, they would always deny that their organizations (AA, etc) were religious and that people sentenced by the court to attend them shouldn't feel like their 1st amendment rights were being violated. More than once, when they said the "higher power" can be anything, a 10 stepper would list "or that chair over there". It must be a talking point. So, since Minnesotans are so into this recovery movement thing, I think "that chair over there" is, by acclaimation, the designer in the ID movement here.

#50612: ekzept — 11/24  at  02:45 PM
10 --> 12

#50626: ekzept — 11/24  at  07:04 PM
well, maybe, in the process of instructing folks in science, we're doing it the wrong way. maybe we should tell better stories. maybe that's what ID does better than us?

is telling stories antithetical to the scientific process?

in education, say, high school education, is teaching the stuff of AP Biology so one can do well on the test more important than teaching biology? is teaching biology really the same thing as teaching the stuff needed to do well on the AP Biology (Chemistry, Physics) test?

#50629: ekzept — 11/24  at  07:52 PM
y'know, how's this for a compelling story: tell the tale of evolution of structures as the tale of an engineering compromise between competing needs, in simple, understandable contexts. the place to begin?

how about K J Niklas' presentation of plant biomechanics? see Charles Marshall's talk about 47:28 into the presentation where he addresses how "complexity gives rise to morphological form".

it's all about biomechanics. again.

#50630: ekzept — 11/24  at  07:54 PM
Niklas has a book about this stuff, BTW.

#50631: — 11/24  at  07:59 PM
Someone else pointed out this story which is somewhat relevant and also has a nice choice of image:

#50655: Elayne Riggs — 11/25  at  10:14 AM
I couldn't get it to load. The only science comics I bother reading anyway are those written by Jim Ottoviani.