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Tuesday, August 24, 2004

A science fiction list

It originally came from here, but Lynn picked it up here, even though she herself only did a partial list here. It's a list of 100 Science Fiction Books You Just Have to Read. Now that is a list sure to inspire discontent and fury among the legions of skiffyites, but OK, I'll bite. Here's the list, with the ones I've read in bold, and a few comments on what I think of them.

1 Childhood's End, Arthur C. Clarke (Clarke's best, a classic.)
2 Foundation, Isaac Asimov (Asimov just hasn't aged well—it's not exactly great writing.)
3 Dune, Frank Herbert (Phenomenal, but all the rest of the Dune books? Crap.)
4 The Man in the High Castle, Philip K. Dick (Dick was a science fiction story in himself. This was a little less psycho than some of his other books, but it's still a good alternative history novel.)
5 Starship Troopers, Robert A. Heinlein (Eh. At least it wasn't one of his Pompous Ego books.)
6 Valis, Philip K. Dick (Whoever made this list sure liked Dick. I like him too, but in small doses and by prescription only.)
7 Frankenstein, Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley (Historical interest only.)
8 Gateway, Frederik Pohl
9 Space Merchants, Frederik Pohl (Two Pohls in a row? OK. I thought it was standard old fare, but otherwise alright.)
10 Earth Abides, George R. Stewart (A very moving book, and one that just seemed to come out of nowhere—I haven't read or seen anything else by the author. What happened? And what about Keith Roberts, author of Pavane?)
11 Cuckoo's Egg, C.J. Cherryh (I devour Cherryh. No one else takes quite that approach of really embedding the reader in an alien culture.)
12 Star Surgeon, James White (Another old guard standard. OK.)
13 The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch, Philip K. Dick (What is it with the Dick mania?)
14 Radix, A. A. Attanasio
15 2001: A Space Odyssey, Arthur C. Clarke (Saw the movie and read this. It zinged me hard in junior high, but I've outgrown it.)
16 Ringworld, Larry Niven (Great, grand idea, but I hated the characters, and the sequels slowly sank into garbage.)
17 A Case of Conscience, James Blish
18 Last and First Man, Olaf Stapledon (The oddly grandiose style left me cold, and I liked the one with the dog better.)
19 The Day of the Triffids, John Wyndham (A fun little horror story.)
20 Way Station, Clifford D. Simak (OK. City was better.)
21 More Than Human, Theodore Sturgeon (Ted Sturgeon was a real liberal humanist who rescued me from misanthropy with his books.)
22 Gray Lensman, E.E. "Doc" Smith (Oh, lord. Smith? I can see that this was seminal stuff, but only because it's so old that no one had any other SF to read.)
23 The Gods Themselves, Isaac Asimov (I think I've read almost everything by Asimov, but this title draws a blank. One of his later books?)
24 The Left Hand of Darkness, Ursula K. Le Guin (Well written and original—great SF.)
25 Behold the Man, Michael Moorcock (This is a fun one to hand to Christians.)
26 Star Maker, Olaf Stapledon (Really, one Stapledon is enough for any list. Especially if they're going to leave off the one with the dog.)
27 The War of the Worlds, H. G. Wells (Hasn't everyone read this?)
28 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, Jules Verne (I went through a major Verne jag in high school, and slurped up everything I could find in a month. Quaint, but fun.)
29 Heritage of Hastur, Marion Zimmer Bradley
30 The Time Machine, H. G. Wells (See comment to War of the Worlds.)
31 The Stars My Destination, Alfred Bester (Read it, remember that I liked it…but it was at least 30 years ago.)
32 Slan, A. E. Van Vogt (One of those books with a special appeal to adolescent misfits with awkward tentacles.)
33 Neuromancer, William Gibson (Blew me away. Everything Gibson has written has been on my 'must read' list since.)
34 Ender's Game, Orson Scott Card (One of those books that you thoroughly enjoy reading, but once you stop and think about it, becomes increasingly disturbing.)
35 In Conquest Born, C. S. Friedman
36 Lord of Light, Roger Zelazny (One of my all-time favorites. Glorious.)
37 Eon, Greg Bear
38 Dragonflight, Anne McCaffrey (OK. Probably appeals more to teenaged girls, and the Dragonwhatever sequels were just too much.)
39 Journey to the Center of the Earth, Jules Verne (Quaint.)
40 Stranger in a Strange Land, Robert A. Heinlein (Read it in the early 1970s, thought it was great, but it was the first in Heinlein's interminable Pompous Ego books, which I despised—and the subsequent taint contaminated the earlier book in my mind.)
41 Cosm, Gregory Benford
42 The Voyage of the Space Beagle, A. E. Van Vogt (Another of those books I think I read long ago, but left no trace in my memory.)
43 Blood Music, Greg Bear (A very interesting book, but the biologist in me kept raising objections.)
44 Beggars in Spain, Nancy Kress (As above—sleeplessness just wouldn't do that. It was a struggle to surrender to the premise.)
45 Omnivore, Piers Anthony (Hack. I detest Anthony. My kids all went through a phase with those godawful Xanth books, and I've tried to look at some of his other, ubiquitous books…all badly written, pretentious trash.)
46 I, Robot, Isaac Asimov (A hit-or-miss collection of short stories.)
47 Mission of Gravity, Hal Clement
48 To Your Scattered Bodies Go, Philip Jose Farmer (This one was pretty good, although it's all one long paean to Farmer's inherent fannishness.)
49 Brave New World, Aldous Huxley (Required reading. Really.)
50 The Man Who Folded Himself, David Gerrold (OK. Didn't thrill me.)
51 1984, George Orwell (With BNW, required reading.)
52 The Strange Case of Dr. Jeckyl And Mr. Hyde, Robert Louis Stevenson (OK. I'd rather read Treasure Island.)
53 Snow Crash, Neal Stephenson ("Crash" refers to the way he ends his books, but otherwise, man, Stephenson is the best for imaginative thrill rides.)
54 Flesh, Philip Jose Farmer (A different end-of-the-world story.)
55 Cities in Flight, James Blish (Standard old-guard SF fare.)
56 Shadow of the Torturer, Gene Wolfe (Fantastic! I remember weighing this one in the book store, thinking, "oh, no, not another fantasy trilogy" and "but it's Wolfe!", and Wolfe won out. Fortunately.)
57 Startide Rising, David Brin (A phenomenal book with a fascinating premise and loads of promise for future installments...which did not pan out.)
58 Triton, Samuel R. Delany (Delaney is an author I find infuriating; I can never make up my mind about whether I love him or hate him.)
59 Stand on Zanzibar, John Brunner (I used to have dreams about the situation in this book. )
60 A Clockwork Orange, Anthony Burgess (The book is much better than the movie.)
61 Fahrenheit 451, Ray Bradbury (What a wonderfully delicate and well-handled indictment of censorship.)
62 A Canticle for Leibowitz, Walter M. Miller Jr. (Good, and I especially appreciated its take on religion)
63 Flowers for Algernon, Daniel Keyes (I read the original novella, but I don't think I've been able to bear reading the expanded novel. This one is the stuff of nightmares.)
64 No Blade of Grass, John Christopher (A terrific book that nicely makes us aware of something we take for granted.)
65 The Postman, David Brin (I got this book when I was a student at the University of Oregon, and was reading it in the student union when I came to the part of the story about a post-apocalyptic fight in the UO student union. Weird. Anyway, starts well, but the neo-hippie warrior stuff at the end was too much for even this Oregonian liberal hippie type to accept.)
66 Dhalgren, Samuel R. Delany (Still struggling with my opinion of Delaney.)
67 Berserker, Fred Saberhagen (I liked the idea of von Neumann machines taking over the universe (as did a lot of people), but there wasn't a lot of depth to these stories otherwise.)
68 Flatland, Edwin Abbott Abbott (Another classic.)
69 Planiverse, A. K. Dewdney (I liked Abbott's version better.)
70 Dragon's Egg, Robert L. Forward (Too much physics. Forward's human characters are about as flat as the Cheela.)
71 Downbelow Station, C. J. Cherryh (If you're into sociopolitical drama, this is the one.)
72 Dawn, Octavia E. Butler
73 The Puppet Masters, Robert A. Heinlein (OK as a creepy alien invasion story. It wouldn't be on my list.)
74 The Doomsday Book, Connie Willis (I liked Lincoln's Dreams, so I suppose I should look this one up)
75 Forever War, Joe Haldeman (Depressing. Good, but not happy reading.)
76 Deathbird Stories, Harlan Ellison (Ellison does good pyrotechnics.)
77 Roadside Picnic, Arkady Strugatsky
78 The Snow Queen, Joan D. Vinge (Weren't there a couple of books set in this world? I read this one, but wasn't inspired to look up the others.)
79 The Martian Chronicles, Ray Bradbury
80 Drowned World, J.G. Ballard
81 Cat's Cradle, Kurt Vonnegut (I think everything by Vonnegut belons on this list.)
82 Red Mars, Kim Stanley Robinson (Interesting.)
83 Upanishads, Various (Um, what? Can we throw in the Bible here too, or is that more of a horror story?)
84 Alice in Wonderland, Lewis Carroll (We should just take this one for granted, I think.)
85 The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, Douglas Adams (Read it several times) (Laughed all the way through it.)
86 The Lathe of Heaven, Ursula K. Le Guin (Le Guin is another of those authors whose catalog ought to be here.)
87 The Midwich Cuckoos, John Wyndham (Creepy idea, but I don't know…Wyndham's writing is a little too mannered.)
88 Mutant, Henry Kuttner
89 Solaris, Stanislaw Lem
90 Ralph 124C41+, Hugo Gernsback (Absolutely dreadful. A joke. No wonder SF was a pariah genre if this was the kind of crap representing it.)
91 I Am Legend, Richard Matheson (Another good end-of-the-world story. What is it with SF and this sometimes grim look at the future?)
92 Timescape, Gregory Benford (Actually, I did read this one just last year, and for some reason the thing has completely fled my mind.)
93 The Demolished Man, Alfred Bester (Another of those weird books that did a fine job of screwing up my head.)
94 War with the Newts, Karl Kapek
95 Mars, Ben Bova (Engineering. Blah.)
96 Brain Wave, Poul Anderson (This was a wonderful idea—what if every creature on the planet had its intelligence suddenly jump a few notches?—but it didn't proceed very far with the premise.)
97 Hyperion, Dan Simmons (Isn't this one of those humungous thick books with eleventy-nine more like it on the shelf next to it? I think I've been intimidated from even trying.)
98 The Andromeda Strain, Michael Crichton (Crichton is an infuriating author, one of those guys who thinks they know a lot of science, but don't.)
99 Camp Concentration, Thomas M. Disch
100 A Princess of Mars, Edgar Rice Burroughs (My very first SF (fantasy?) book, handed to me by my father when I was in grade school, and which I would later read to him when he would take an afternoon rest. I am incapable of judging this one objectively.)

It's a strange list. I don't know if the order means anything (I sure hope the author isn't intending that Childhood's End, worthy as it may be, is the most important SF book out there). Some authors are overrepresented, in my opinion, and some, like Gernsback and Anthony, wouldn't belong here even if their presence wasn't taking up space that belongs to competent writers. And where are Banks and Powers and Sterling and Silverberg and Vinge, to name a few? There are several fantasy titles there, so why no mention of Pratchett?


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Comments:
#5489: — 08/24  at  10:06 AM
Yes, many of my favourites there. Though I'm not near my groaning SF bookshelf to be sure what's missing, I'd add
from memory:

"Counterfeit World aka Simulacron-3" Daniel Galouye, 1964.
-- Computer programmer works on a 1:1 simulated world, only
-- to discover that his world ... (spoiler deleted). It
-- was Brian Aldiss, I think, who commented that it was a
-- wonder that Phil Dick didn't get to this nicely paranoid
-- idea first.

"Songs of Distant Earth", Arthur C. Clarke
-- Shows that his literary style *has* improved over the
-- years. A pleasant mix of the pastoral and hard-SF.

"The Alteration", Kingsley Amis
-- A parody of the alternative history novel, with thinly
-- disguised nods towards Keith Roberts, Phil Dick etc.



#5491: — 08/24  at  10:16 AM
>"The Alteration", Kingsley Amis
>-- A parody of the alternative history novel, with thinly
>-- disguised nods towards Keith Roberts, Phil Dick etc.

In which I am convinced that the Yorkshireman pope is the
(Yorkshire-born) playwright Alan Bennett, presumably one
of Amis' friends. Also, Lavrenty Beria and Adolf Eichmann
as Cardinals, if I recall correctly?



#5494: — 08/24  at  10:30 AM
I've seen that list on Phobos. A few of suggestions I made then:

Mission of Gravity by Hal Clement (Great aliens, great planetary physics, on an epic voyage on a very alien world)

Manifold Space by Stephen Baxter (Great story and resolution to the Fermi Paradox. The Xeele series is also excellent)

The Moon is a Harsh Mistress by Robert Heinlein (Story of revolution, intrigue, and future politics, on the Moon)

MEMORIES by Mike McQuay (Somewhat obscure. Time travel drug and Napoleon, sounds corny but beautifully done, will leave an impression)



#5495: — 08/24  at  10:31 AM
I think the Stapledon dog story (Sirius) is still in print, but I haven't seen it in a while. I strongly urge you to read Hyperion - and for that matter anything else Dan Simmons writes. As I recall (it's been a long time), Hyperion is sort of a futuristic Canterbury Tales with a very odd pilgrimage at its core. Simmons writes terrific horror and detective stuff, too.



's avatar #5496: PZ Myers — 08/24  at  10:40 AM
Yeah, I've heard good things about Simmons…but the bulk dissuades me. And since a new semester is starting, there's no way I'll be getting to it until December, I think.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#5498: Tony — 08/24  at  10:45 AM
Flowers for Algernon is one of the most poignant stories I have ever read.

Impossible to include short stories in such a list, of course, but for its uncanny prescience (txting language, information compression and overload in 1961) a satire by the socialist activist Hal Draper MS Fnd in a Lbry should be mentioned in any list.
Asimov includes it in his anthology of science fiction humour Laughing Space, which apart from this contains very few stories that are actually funny.



#5501: — 08/24  at  11:48 AM
It would be interesting to see what the top 100 Fantasy book list would include.
I am surprised that Asimov's Bicentenial Man was not included.

Books I would have recommended;

- Heinlein's Moon is a Harsh Mistress,
- Louis McMaster Bujold's Warrior's Apprentice,
- H.B. Piper's Little Fuzzies and Lord Kalvin of Otherwhen,
- Poul Anderson's Operation Chaos,
- Andre Norton's Zero Stone, and
- Harry TurtleDove's Case of the Toxic Spell Dump



#5502: — 08/24  at  12:00 PM
Dang it, all our books are packed in anticipation of moving... guess I'll just have to visit the public library.



#5504: — 08/24  at  01:01 PM
Ender's Game...
It still keeps me awake at night pondering things. I have the oddest sense of the willies when I see young kids so proficient at computer games.



#5505: — 08/24  at  01:25 PM
Brave New World sparked the first real and thorough debate of my high school english classes, wherein we could not agree whether the situation described was "good" or not.

On the fantasy side, Tad Williams' Memory, Sorrow and Thorn trilogy hit me quite hard, though the rest of his work hasn't been quite "there" for me.

Lately I've been picking up SF after an extended hiatus, it's been much too long. Good discussion here of candidates for me to go after!



#5509: Stacy — 08/24  at  03:31 PM
Read Hyperion today. Then read Fall of Hyperion. Think about the end of the book, what it means to you, and what you think will happen in the future. DO NOT read Endymion or Rise of Endymion because it will just infuriate you and ruin what you thought would happen in the future. The first two books are fabulous. The second two books are bleh (and would probably be average-to-good if they didn't follow two fabulous books and completely change all the premises that made those books so great).

Eon was ok. A lot of things about it don't make any sense. The sequels bored me.

I kept hearing about Cherryh and finally decided to read something by her, so I randomly picked up Cyteen at the library. Wow. Just, wow. I didn't know what the hell was going on, but I realized that Cherryh is a lot smarter than I am. Then I read Downbelow Station which felt Very Important but kind of dull. Then I read all the other Union-Alliance books, which I liked better, and then I reread Cyteen and KNEW that Cherryh is much smarter than me.



#5510: Stacy — 08/24  at  03:40 PM
Oh, another that should be on the list is A Fire Upon the Deep by Vernor Vinge.



#5512: Michael Norrish — 08/24  at  05:36 PM
The Gods Themselves is all about energy transfer between parallel universes, with a strange trisexual species in the non-human universe. I read it once and liked it. I'd also go for Asimov's The end of eternity, which has a very nice take on time travel.

But as for Clarke, what about Rendezvous with Rama??? There may well have been numerous awful sequels (I haven't read any of them), but I thought the original absolutely amazing.

And leaving Banks out is clearly not on.



#5516: — 08/24  at  08:16 PM
Another John Wyndham book I'd recommend is "Web" - it's about spiders that get dosed with radiation and become cooperative.



#5518: — 08/24  at  09:00 PM
Vernor Vinge's A Deepness in the Sky is missing.
I'd be interested in working scientist's opinions of Benford's
Cosm.



#5520: Linus — 08/24  at  11:20 PM
Childhood's End has always puzzled me. It's a good enough book, certainly, but some people regard it as a work of towering power. It was actually taught to me in school in the 7th grade or so, as part of the regular curriculum, and since it was taught in school I didn't actually read thoroughly until years later. When it still struck me as being a good enough book, and not much more than that.



#5525: Hank Fox — 08/25  at  01:29 AM
I'd nominate Vernor Vinge's "The Peace War" and "Marooned in Realtime" as Top 100. And David Brin's "Earth" would be way up on my list.

I think my number one and two, though, might be Brin's "The Uplift War," and Dean Koontz's "Watchers."

Koontz's "Lightning" kicked me in the head with the idea of time travelers from the past, and I continue to love the idea, so I guess this one would be on my Top 100 list.

And ... it's probably more in the horror genre, but "The Talisman" by Steven King and Peter Straub (I think) is one of my all-time faves. Although, come to think of it, this may be wholly due to the character of Wolf, and the fact that I have a thing for furred critters (see Uplift War and Watchers, above).

Speaking of fur: Gordon Dickson's "Spacepaw" was fun, and ditto for H. Beam Piper's "Little Fuzzy."

Orson Scott Card's first three "Seventh Son" books would get my vote as in or near the Top 100.

Nothing by Spider Robinson? Hmm. I'm just glad there was no Alan Dean Foster on the list -- I don't think I could bear it. :D

And by the way, I've always thought Bester's "The Stars My Destination" would make one helluva good movie.

Speaking of all this, some years back I discovered that libraries SELL OFF ALL THEIR OLD NOVELS!! I was freaked out, big time. I always think that any great old novel I can think of is right there in the library, waiting for me to pick it up again like an old friend. But they're not.

ALL OF THE BOOKS that got me into SF starting when I was 9 years old are GONE. Paul French/Isaac Asimov's "Lucky Starr" books? Gone. "Zip Zip Goes to Venus"? Gone. Those grand space battle books by H. Beam Piper? Gone. And everything else I could think of (except maybe the Jules Verne stuff). Jeez, they're throwing away my fondest memories.

Know what I wish? I wish there was a science fiction library somewhere, that had EVERYTHING in it.

Heh. I'd like to pick up Jack London's one shot at SF, "Star Rover" again, and see if I like it any better this time, or Philip K. Dick's "Ubik," and see if I UNDERSTAND it any better this time. I'd love to reread C.J. Cherryh's "Pride of Chanur" series (more fur).

(I'd also like to find out why I have a persistent memory of characters named Korus Kan and Jhul Din in mind, but absolutely no memory of what book they came out of.)

Any filthy rich reader out there willing to take on the task of creating the North American Library of Science Fiction? It would carry your name, famous and revered, into the distant future.

And hey, you could put a huge bronze statue of yourself out front, riding a big white bandersnatch.



#5527: Roy Sablosky — 08/25  at  08:26 AM
#1 spot should go to Passage by Connie Willis. Between the lines, this book contains the best explanation I've ever read of what science is.



's avatar #5528: PZ Myers — 08/25  at  08:35 AM
Korus Kan and Jhul Din are from Edmond Hamilton's Interstellar Patrol series. Old pulp has that insidious habit of filling your brain with odd, disconnected bits of weirdness, doesn't it?

And yeah, Willis is on my short list of SF authors I need to read more. And now I'm going to have to go find Passage. That's a sneaky way to hook me, Roy.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#5529: — 08/25  at  08:52 AM
I'd put More Than Human and The Stars My Destination way higher. Like 1 and 2. With Alice in Wonderland being #3. And as much as I liked Snow Crash, there's no way it's a better book than Fahrenheit 451 and some of the others below it.

Heh. Is there any better way to start a debate about something than make a top 100 list? I kind of doubt it.

And PZ, as good as Passages was, Willis' best work is To Say Nothing Of The Dog, as long as you've read Jerome K. Jerome's Three Men in A Boat. I'd even rank TSNOTD above Doomsday Book, which won both the Hugo and Nebula.



#5556: — 08/25  at  09:18 PM
What's the best Cherryh book?

I own the "Faded Sun Trilogy", but only because I work at a book factory.



's avatar #5559: PZ Myers — 08/25  at  10:24 PM
I like Downbelow Station and 40000 in Gehenna best, but the Chanur books were darn good space opera.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#5582: — 08/26  at  02:50 PM
I must disagree with the nomination of Passage. Parts of it are nice, but as a story it drags. There's a nice novelette in there, but it's drowned in pages and pages of nullity.


it’s about spiders that get dosed with radiation and become cooperative.

I wonder how much of that was being riffed on by Mieville in Perdido Street Station and Iron Council? (He's so amazingly widely read that I expect he's read this. The only other SF authors I know of who've read so much, so widely, are Delany and John C. Wright.)

Oh, and of the books on this list that you've not marked as having read, run, don't walk, and get:

- Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion, but not the sequels. The first one is, um, recognisably Chaucerian, and the society of the Worldweb is fascinating and enthralling (and nasty as well). I concur that Simmons wrecks the world in the sequels.

- Eon but again not its sequels: the back-cover blurbs of many editions make it out to be an ordinary post-Holocaust novel. This is, how shall I put it, not exactly true. The other 50% of the editions give away a secret which is carefully hidden for the first seven chapters and revealed in two pages of excellent writing. So buy it, but avoid reading the blurb.

- Mission of Gravity, not for the biology (not quite convincing) or the characterisation (Clement was never able to make alien psychologies seem alien, and never really tried), but for the world it's set in and the bizarre consequences of it. Nobody could beat Clement when it came to working out the storific consequences of ideas in the physical sciences. It's a real pity he's dead.

- Camp Concentration, but don't read it if you're at all depressed. It's even more depressing than Earth Abides if that were possible, but still excellent. I lost my copy years ago, and still it haunts me.

There seem to be very few works on that list published in the last twenty years. If there had been, surely Banks, Vinge, Mieville, Wright and Macleod would have merited at least a cursory mention. (Probably Egan, too.)



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