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Tuesday, February 15, 2005

A visitor from space! Err, umm, I mean, Canada!

There's an old cliche in science fiction (and, I recall, one that was also commonly used in grade school short fiction) of putting a twist in the reader's perspective by making him see our world through the eyes of a Martian or intergalactic traveler or being from the far distant future. You know, "The bipedal inhabitants of Planet III do not reproduce by the sensible mechanism of fission, but by by the fusion of haploid gametes, a convoluted process that requires much complex social interaction..." yadda yadda yadda.

That cliche is officially dead.

Reality killed it. You no longer need to postulate Martians, it's enough to have a Canadian visit Florida for a church conference (Toronto Star, free reg. req.). And the message is that when others see us, we look like a buncha dumb, hateful yokels.

The author, Tom Harpur, takes a road trip down from the Civilized North, through Ohio and Georgia, to attend "Left Behind: A Conference on Biblical Prophecy about End Times", starring Tim LaHaye, Gary Frazier, and Ed Hindson. It would be easy to dismiss this as a visit to Crazy Town, and not representative of America at all, but these are a couple of big name evangelicals who sell boatloads of books and mobilize millions of voters and have open access to the White House and are lauded in the media. They may be batshit insane, but they are some of the loudest voices of the Religious Right. And here's the impression they leave on our polite Canadian visitor.

To sum up the essence of the three speaker's messages all that long Saturday, I have never heard so much venom and dangerous ignorance spouted before an utterly unquestioning, otherwise normal-looking crowd in my life. For the $25 fee, the 800 devotees certainly got a plateful.

There were stunning statements about humans having been only 6,000 years on Earth and other denials of contemporary geology and biology. And we learned that the Rapture, which could happen any second now, but certainly within the next 40 years, will instantly sweep all the "saved" Americans (perhaps one-half the population) to heaven, leaving the United States as "a Third World country" with the European Union becoming the revived Roman Empire.

But these fantasies were harmless compared with the hatred against Islam that followed. Here are some direct quotes: "Islam is an intolerant religion — and it's clear whose side we should be on in the Middle East." Applause greeted these words: "Allah and Jehovah are not the same God ... Islam is a Satanic religion ...We will never be able to understand their (Muslim) mentality ... They're going to attack Israel for certain. ..."

Gary Frazier shouted at the top of his lungs: "Wake up! Wake up!" And roughly 800 heads nodded approval as he added that the left-wing, anti-Israel media — "for example, CNN" — will never tell the world the truth about Islam. According to these three and the millions of Americans they lead, Muslims intend ultimately "to impose their religion on us all."

Fundamentalists imposing theocratic rule on a nation? Oh, horrors. That would be terrible.

(Important hint: if mentioning this to a fundie extremist, don't use irony and sarcasm. Stupid people don't understand irony. Any fundamentalists reading this, post questions—I'm sure my other readers will be able to explain it to you.)

The idea of peace in the Middle East was denounced — specially any accord granting any land whatever to the Palestinians.

The two-state concept is unacceptable to American Christians, they argued, because "God gave that land to the Jews through Abraham" long ago. If the Palestinians want a state they must go to Jordan or elsewhere.

A terrible, final war in the region is inevitable.

In a rational world, here's what I would like: our media to treat these nutballs as totally clownshoes poison—the only stories about them would mock their lunacy, rather than putting up a respectful facade. For our politicians to denounce them as dishonest frauds who are dragging our country and the world into the sewer. For our electorate to shun any politician who so much as shakes hands with one of these scamming hatemongers.

It's not going to happen, I know. Everyone's going to go on pretending that LaHaye, Frazier, and Hindson are nice, ordinary folks, while they go on gibbering on the national stage.

Some days I feel like Roddy Piper in They Live. I gotta find me some of those special sunglasses.


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Comments:
#16110: — 02/15  at  12:08 PM
Well, I grew up among these people, and I agree in general about them being 'batshit insane.'

That does not mean, however, that they are wrong about every little thing. In particular, they are not wrong about Christians and Muslims not worshipping the same God.

Not only does this sort of Christian reject the idea, so do almost all Muslims. In the October-November issue of 'American Muslim,' the organ of what are risibly called 'moderate Muslims in this country,' we find this lambent phrase/warning: Muslims in America are called to bring to the infidels 'the genuine rendition of monotheism.'

Nothing could be clearer. LaHaye and cronies may have gotten there by illegitimate means, but they got there. Too bad neither Bush nor his more fervent opponents have.



#16111: Les Lane — 02/15  at  12:18 PM
Anthropologists need no longer travel to Melanesia.



#16112: paperwight — 02/15  at  12:20 PM
Shorter Eager: As long as they hates them some Muslims, they's on my side.



#16113: — 02/15  at  12:21 PM
Once you find the sunglasses PZ, you'll have to have a pointlessly long and drawn out fist fight with Tim LeHaye.

That'll kick ass.



#16114: — 02/15  at  12:27 PM
I dunno if I agree.

I prefer "Bugfuck Nuts" to "Batshit Insane".



#16117: — 02/15  at  12:52 PM
"...the Rapture, which could happen any second now, but certainly within the next 40 years, will instantly sweep all 'saved' Americans (perhaps one-half the population), to heaven, leaving the United States as a Third World country..."- It's nice to know that the Bush Administration is doing everything it can to gratify their policy preferences. Or are they directly taking their advice from these folks? At least it's nice to know that when all their pig-asses are just bacon grease at the Divine Table, the scriptures shall be fulfilled: "Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth."



#16118: — 02/15  at  12:52 PM
Howcome the audience only numbered 800? That's only a gate of $20,000 and from that they had to pay for the hall. I don't think LaHaye can live on an payday that small. I think he normally needs at least 10,000 people to make it worth his while.



#16119: paperwight — 02/15  at  12:55 PM
They probably didn't pay for the hall; I expect the church donated it, in order to help spread the word, and for the publicity value.



#16121: — 02/15  at  02:02 PM
Speaking of They Live, have you seen this?




#16123: RPM — 02/15  at  02:09 PM
They Live also had one of the greatest quotes in cinematic history: "I have come here to chew bubblegum and kick ass, and I'm all out of bubblegum."



#16125: Cameron "Buck" Williams — 02/15  at  03:19 PM
The Left Behind series notwithstanding, LaHaye and company provide us with loads of free entertainment, and it's just getting better.

You all saw Kristof's challenge to LaHaye in "Apocalypse (almost) Now", right?

The "Left Behind" series, the best-selling novels for adults in the U.S., enthusiastically depict Jesus returning to slaughter everyone who is not a born-again Christian. The world's Hindus, Muslims, Jews and agnostics, along with many Catholics and Unitarians, are heaved into everlasting fire: "Jesus merely raised one hand a few inches and . . . they tumbled in, howling and screeching."

Gosh, what an uplifting scene!

If Saudi Arabians wrote an Islamic version of this series, we would furiously demand that sensible Muslims repudiate such hatemongering. We should hold ourselves to the same standard.

Tim LaHaye and Jerry Jenkins, the co-authors of the series, have both e-mailed me (after I wrote about the "Left Behind" series in July) to protest that their books do not "celebrate" the slaughter of non-Christians but simply present the painful reality of Scripture.

"We can't read it some other way just because it sounds exclusivistic and not currently politically correct," Mr. Jenkins said in an e-mail. "That's our crucible, an offensive and divisive message in an age of plurality and tolerance."

Silly me. I'd forgotten the passage in the Bible about how Jesus intends to roast everyone from the Good Samaritan to Gandhi in everlasting fire, simply because they weren't born-again Christians.


This exchange has also been reported on in the
Boston Globe:

Tim LaHaye, coauthor of the "Left Behind" series, responded to Kristof via email, after the July column, that he and other Christians would experience "no glee" in watching unbelievers die, and that those who perished would be only the most corrupt sinners who had rejected every last chance to repent. "We don't choose to live next door to such people in this life," LaHaye wrote. "Do you really want to spend eternity with them?"
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#16126: — 02/15  at  04:25 PM
The Left Behind phenomenon is as sinister as it is baffling. It's shocking how many Christians believe that the books are an accurate account of the future, a fictionalization of Revelations. It's not. Very few of the Left Behind readers that I have spoken to know anything about its roots of dispensationalism. Most have never heard of John Nelson Darby. Most have never even picked up a Scofield Reference Bible. They are, by and large, conservative nitwits with no ability to think for themselves, devoid of any cultural or historical awareness, apt to think the John Grisham constitutes fine literautre. I stand by that generalization.



#16127: — 02/15  at  04:37 PM
And we learned that the Rapture...will instantly sweep all the “saved” Americans (perhaps one-half the population) to heaven,


And good riddance!

leaving the United States as “a Third World country”


By which they probably mean "full of heathens".

with the European Union becoming the revived Roman Empire.


Fine with me, as long as there's no Constantine around. I'm pretty sure the slave-based economy won't catch on in the E.U., which is nice.



#16129: — 02/15  at  04:52 PM
Ah, the Rapture. This too shall pass. The belief in the Rapture is to my way of thinking no different than the various sects that periodically crop up predicting the end of the world. Most choose a date and then when the date passes and nothing happens, everyone goes home to join some other sect. The only fly in the LaHaye/Jenkins creation is that they haven't given a date yet. Someone should challenge them on that. With their psychic powers of biblical interpretation, surely they can get god, or maybe Jesus, when Shrub isn't tying up the phone lines, to let them in on the schedule. After all , god has to make all kinds of preparation for all those guests when they show up. They'll need clothing, food, accomodations, entertainment and goodness knows what else. And maybe even some mediators from the American Mediation service to keep them from killing each other. After all, putting Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, Bill Dembski, Phillip Johnson, Tammy Faye Baker, John Ashcroft, Franklin Graham, Jiimmy Swaggart, and a few other evangelicals in the same room might cause an explosion of biblical proportions



#16130: Sharon — 02/15  at  05:15 PM
Um, if Jews are amongst all the evil ones who are going in the fire, then how come they're so keen on Jewish Israel?

I've heard of people saying they're anti-zionist but not antisemitic, but being antisemitic and pro-zionist...?



#16131: — 02/15  at  05:20 PM
It's because the _requirement_ for a Jewish Israel figures prominently in Rapture mythology.



#16132: — 02/15  at  05:29 PM
Um, if Jews are amongst all the evil ones who are going in the fire, then how come they’re so keen on Jewish Israel?

The idea is that the Jews have to control all of Israel in order for the Rapture to come. Then they can either convert or burn.

I couldn't make this stuff up if I tried.....


Guardian Rapture Article



#16133: paperwight — 02/15  at  05:33 PM
Like Sandals said. IIRC, the Rapture won't happen until Israel is restored (done) all the Jews go back to Israel (not just yet) and the temple is rebuilt (not even close ). There's also some additional claptrap about a red calf, which spurred some dispensationalists to try to breed one. This NRO piece has a pretty good summary (and this is about the only time I'm likely to link to NRO).

Of course, the Jews are mostly killed in Armageddon and go to hell because they haven't accepted Jesus Christ as their personal savior. So pro-zionist and anti-semitic is a pretty description. (There are, FWIW, a fair number of anti-zionist Jews, mostly among the very religious.)



's avatar #16134: Ben — 02/15  at  05:38 PM
Speaking of They Live, have you seen this?

They Live, huh? I've always compared him to the skeleton guy on the Megadeth album covers.

It’s shocking how many Christians believe that the books are an accurate account of the future

What do you expect? They think the Bible is an accurate account of the past.

"The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them." --Thomas Edison.



#16136: — 02/15  at  05:49 PM
A fun running review of the Left Behind series. It's not updated a lot.

http://slacktivist.typepad.com/slacktivist/left_behind/



#16139: Roxanne — 02/15  at  06:25 PM
Wow. I haven't laughed this hard in some time. Thank you.



#16141: — 02/15  at  07:14 PM
Hey, you guys got all the good lines before I could join in. I'll just repeat one of my old sayings (stop me if you've heard this before): those people had better hope the god they claim to believe in doesn't, because otherwise they're going to get a nasty surprise in the hereafter.



#16143: Bryson Brown — 02/15  at  09:26 PM
There's a weird air of self-sustaining hysteria to it all. The final, bloody denouement is essential to 'justifying' (in the sense of 'we win') their hateful extremism, so the extremists just add it to the bill and continue merrily along. There's nothing like the smell of moral clarity in the morning...



#16144: — 02/15  at  09:57 PM
Evangelists believe that Israel must be controlled by Jews for the Rapture to come, at which time one third of Jews will convert to Christianity and two thirds will die (or the other way around - I'm not sure). Besides, they probably also like Israel as a bone stuck in the Muslims' throat.

As for anti-Zionist Jews, not all of them are ultra-orthodox. A fair number of them are simply left-wing radicals, such as Chomsky. Hell, I'm nominally Jewish, Israeli-born, and without the slightest trace of Zionism.



#16145: paperwight — 02/15  at  10:07 PM
Alon, thanks for the clarification.

Can you explain a bit more about you mean by without the slightest trace of Zionism?



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