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Monday, December 13, 2004

An unconvincing counterargument

Why do liberals dominate university faculties? Bainbridge is unhappy with Farrell's claim that Republican anti-intellectualism is at fault…so unhappy that he loses his wits and makes a stupid argument.

Update2: Henry Farrell says my analysis of Chait's second point contains a non-sequitur and further opines:
Nor does the fact that Republican intellectuals exist contradict the fact that there is a strong strain of anti-intellectualism to Republican Party rhetoric, and Republican attempts to appeal to voters (as, for example, the pillorying of Al Gore for using big numbers and complicated ideas). While this anti-intellectualism doesn’t completely explain the dearth of Republican academics by any stretch of the imagination, it surely helps contribute to the hostility of many in the academy, as does the open hostility of many Republicans to evolutionary biology and the very real scientific consensus on global warming.
One would have thought my point was obvious, but let me spell it out. Point one: There are a lot smart conservatives out there interested in intellectual matters and the life of the mind. They're qualified to be academics and likely would pursue an academic career if they had a fair shot at landing one. Point two: Even if Chait and Farrell are right that there is a streak of anti-intellectualism in the Republican party, so fricking what? Why does that justify the academic left's discrimination against conservatives? (You'll note Farrell just sort of glides past that point.) Would Farrell say that environmentalists should be excluded from the academy because some eco-nuts commit the grossly anti-intellectual act of vandalizing laboratories doing animal research? Of course not. So spare me your stereotypes and generalizations. And stop using Karl Rove's (highly successful) campaign tactics as your spurious justification for discriminating against conservative academics. Just because your Democrat party can't beat Bush doesn't justify taking our your anger on right-of-center job applicants.

I presume everyone can see the ridiculous error in his argument—we aren't talking about nutcases on the fringe of the party; the problem is that the Republican bigshots are anti-intellectual (Bush can proudly state that he doesn't read much), their campaigns, as Farrell has mentioned, exploit American anti-intellectualism, and their policies run counter to intellectual and scientific recommendations (Global warming? Evolution? Stem cell research? How many do I have to mention?) . When the Democrats make Ingrid Newkirk of PETA their spokesperson and rant about shutting down research labs, then nobody would be surprised if biologists left the party in angry droves. I would be greatly embarrassed, at the least, if my party did something so ghastly and so against the spirit of my chosen discipline. So why are conservatives supporting these anti-intellectual clowns? Why don't they even see anything contradictory in their support?

I am perfectly willing to acknowledge that many conservatives are capable and willing to follow the "life of the mind." So why are they following the Republican piper (and Republicans seem to be a poor excuse for conservatives, anyway)? And why are conservatives surprised when a majority of the people who have committed themselves to a "life of the mind" find nothing attractive in a political party that uses the word "intellectual" as an insult? That's what is so fricking what.


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Comments:
#10977: — 12/13  at  05:27 PM
Evidently I missed the part where someone explains the substance of this
argument, and by that I mean the part where someone produces evidence
that right-of-center academics face discrimination. Ridicule, perhaps, but
discrimination in job applications? It hasn't been my experience.
Moreover I find the idea wildly unlikely in any of the sciences.

Arguments along this line usually involve pointing out that the right is very
thinly represented in academia, and inferring from this that nasty
leftists are tossing their CVs in the trashcan. I think there is something
to the argument that the preponderance of leftists is stronger than one would
expect from the fact that the current leadership of the Republican party
is in the hands of people who scoff at reality. However, I think the
explanation is that most people adapt to their cultural and political
surroundings. In academia this includes left-of-center politics. You
can lean to the right and have a successful career, earning the respect
and admiration of your colleagues. (I've seen it done.) It's less work to
simply go with the majority, and these days it's also a whole lot less
embarrassing.



#10996: — 12/13  at  08:00 PM
Brian Leiter has an interesting supposition on the scarcty of right wing academics <link>here,http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/academic_freedom/index.html</link> - the last two paragraphs say it best.



#10997: — 12/13  at  08:02 PM
Gah, sorry, link below:

http://leiterreports.typepad.com/blog/academic_freedom/index.html

for cut-and-paste types.

How do we do a link here?



#10998: — 12/13  at  08:05 PM
One more time - sorry to be so maladroit, PZ.

Leiter's apposite comment (it'll take ages to find via that link) is:

The problem with which no one wants to come to terms is this: not all ideologies have merit. That there are relatively few Republicans in the universities may simply be co-extensional with the fact that there are relatively few educated people who believe that Iraq attacked the World Trade Center, a belief, as we know, that is widely shared among Bush supporters. Surely this possibility has to be entertained, if one were really serious about the question of bias.

There remains, of course, the astonishing irony that conservatives generally resist inferring bias against blacks from their relatively small numbers in academia: insufficient supply of qualified candidates and merit are the preferred explanations. Why not think the same is true with respect to card-carrying Republicans? Surely an argument is needed.




#10999: — 12/13  at  08:11 PM
So why are they following the Republican piper?

I think this conversation is very similar to one earlier this week, when someone was talking about conservatives having democratic ideals.

Just like I wouldn't necessarily argue against the idea that most conservatives believe in democratic principles, I also think it's pretty obvious that plenty of conservatives are interested in "intellectual matters."

However, it may just come down to priorities.

Conservatives - even some fundamentalists - probably think that a democracy is better than a tyranny, or a dictatorship. They think that people deserve to be able to vote, and they think people should, all things being equal, get a fair shake at life.

But, I think this all comes crashing down when the "real principles" get involved; that is, religion.

When it comes to making this country more "righteous" (in the biblical sense), all of a sudden the conservatives are more than willing to part ways with the Bill of Rights and our Constitution. Furthermore, a conservative often won't think twice before taking inappropriate actions "in the name of God" - as long as it follows that he/she has done God's work (or, his/her interpretation of God's work).

And, much (but not all) is the same when it comes to academia.

Certainly, there are plenty of scientists that stand on the right side of things. And, I think that's great. But what isn't so great, is when conservative academics are forced to go against support and funding for their own research - merely so they don't "lose face" in the eyes of the church, or so they aren't accused of being "one of those intellectuals" by their unenlightened brethren.

So, I think Ethan is right, in that I'm not so sure that there is ANY...
...evidence that right-of-center academics face discrimination.

I know plenty of scientists who are very religious, but whose Physicalist notions allow for them to succeed (socially and personally) in a vastly scientific world.

Are these people especially un-Christian, or atheistic, simply because they don't throw away their passion for truth - all in the name for their passion for belief?

In a related manner, is a "liberal" a bad person or a heathen, just because they care about equal rights for all of God's children?

This explains why the Republican party lost a small but significant number of the Religious vote - some of the religious actually practice what they preach (love thy neighbor, etc). Ya know, they actually are moral, instead of just pretending to be.

It's this portion of the population that the Democratic party needs to focus on in the next four years - the intellectually religious, if you will. smile

Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

-Jerry Garcia



#11002: Kevin — 12/13  at  08:49 PM
As PZ notes, Republicans aren't really following the ideals of conservatism any more. What they're probably upset about here is that there aren't a lot of Republicans in academia- something I'm more than willing to believe. In addition, the Party also has a history of liabelling as biased anything or anyone who questions it- like 'the media', convieniently forgetting Fox. It comes from the same place as the loyalty oaths and all that nonesense about never questioning Bush. Academics questioon relentlessly- or at least, the ones doing their jobs do- so they are anathema to the Republican Ideology.



#11003: paperwight — 12/13  at  09:20 PM
I stopped taking Bainbridge seriously about 2 weeks after I started reading him. Anybody who can pontificate about heartland values while simultaneously posting about the depth and breadth of his wine expertise simply can't be taken seriously -- he didn't even bother to hide the ridiculous hypocrisy. At least the various shills for upward wealth transfer in the various Right wing think tanks and editorial pages hide their true Blue State elitism, their nice meals, fancy wines, and metropolitan dwellings.

I als note in passing that Bainbridge calls the Democratic Party the "Democrat" party, which is a Rove/Luntz linguistic construction -- he's completely in hock to the revanchist political machine for his rhetoric. Pathetic.



#11004: Arcane — 12/13  at  09:37 PM
I agree with Kevin that Republicans aren't following the ideals of conservatism anymore, which is truly unfortunate. Because of this, I was a Lieberman supporter until he dropped out of the primaries. And I agree with Kevin that FOX News is much more Republican-oriented than other news stations. As a conservative, I still don't like it, though. Heck, I generally don't like any cable news services.

However, I think the idea that Republicans want "loyalty oaths" to Bush is insane. Most, if not all, of my conservative friends voted for Bush extremely reluctantly. There were numerous times when I even considered voting for Kerry. If Bush wants a loyalty oath to him, he isn't getting it. Just look at the offensives launched against him from within the party and by such groups as the Republican Liberty Caucus and the American Conservative Union. The only really loyal supporters he has are the Religious Right.

As for Jeebus', I just want to say that it gets really annoying when commentators equate the Religious Right with mainstream conservatism. I'm a libertarian conservative, and I am by no means a member of the Religious Right. There are many, many conservatives like this... most I'd say. It's just that the Religious Right wields an incredible amount of influence. As for me, I can literally count the number of times I've been to church on my fingers, consider myself a Darwinist and a deist. I oppose Bush's ban on embryonic stem cell research and Religious Right's attacks on evolution.

And about this whole "Academic Bill of Rights" crap, I'm opposed to it. It's extremely hypocritical for the right to oppose affirmative action for minorities and then support affirmative action for those who call themselves Republican. I'm opposed to quotas, affirmative action, and the obsession with proportionate representation. It's all insane, as far as I'm concerned.



#11007: — 12/13  at  10:22 PM
I am having some cognitive dissonance, Arcane, between your statements in this thread about Republicans not being conservatives (I agree); and your spirited defense of SS and MM in the "Fools ...." thread. In Fools you very clearly paint Republicans including MM as center-right, but here you express some concern that it was hard to vote for Bush because he is not a true 'conservative' in the libertarian-small government sense. In the end, I am correct in thinking that your real discomfort is with the religious right, but you can live with the rest of the Republican coalition as the lesser of evils.

I ask, because I really have a hard time classifying MM with any principled conservative positions. She strikes me as a publicity hungry party hack; completely lacking in principles. On the other hand, most of your argument in this thread sounds very much like principled conservatism.

What will it take to get someone like you to not vote Republican, albeit while holding your nose?



's avatar #11016: Ben — 12/14  at  12:16 AM
What he said. Why on earth would a libertarian vote for a political party currently exercising the least libertarian policy platform in the Western world? Brand-loyalty?

"The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them." --Thomas Edison.



#11022: Arcane — 12/14  at  12:39 AM
Desert,
Well, I'm a subscriber to The New Republic, which is basically a New Democrat magazine. If Democrats nominate a real New Democrat like Joseph Lieberman, Evan Bayh, or John Breaux, and maybe somebody like Mark Warner, I'd probably very happily vote for that individual. But I'd still like to have a Republican congress, mostly because experience shows that a divided government is a more limited government.

Ben,
I'm a libertarian conservative, in that my worldview is a mixture of libertarianism and conservatism. Unlike the Libertarian Party, I support a strong national defense and an assertive foreign policy. I also oppose the LPs "open borders" policies, along with a slew of other things, like I don't have a problem with the government being involved in education. They're really out there as a group.

If I had to classify myself, I'd be centrist on social issues, conservative on immigration policy (real conservative, not the "open borders" proposals emphasized by Bush), a libertarian on economic issues, and a "maximal realist" on foreign policy.

I agree with the GOP on about 50-60% of their platform. I agree with the Dems on maybe 30-40%. And the rest of my positions are supported by any political party. There isn't a single party in this country that I agree with on more than 60% of their positions. So, I have to be pragmatic. I'd like a New Democrat in office, like the ones mentioned above, with a Republican congress.



#11023: Arcane — 12/14  at  12:42 AM
*CORRECTION: It should read, "And the rest of my positions are NOT supported by any political party."



#11025: — 12/14  at  01:44 AM
Most, if not all, of my conservative friends voted for Bush extremely reluctantly.

Some mandate.

The sad thing is that by saying he has a mandate, he is able to change the national discourse to include, virtually unquestioned as far as most people can see, the assumption that he does in fact have a mandate.

The even sadder thing is that he did it so successfully in 2000.



#11031: — 12/14  at  06:39 AM
Does anybody have any serious evidence?

I mean, can anybody show me a genuine Marxist economist at any North American university? Any Marxists left in any disciplines in the U.S.?

Can anyone show me the liberals on the faculty at the Wharton School? The Sloan School? Are there any liberals at all left at Stanford (oh, yeah, I suspect a few -- but look at the Rice they export to Washington).

Did I miss the evidence somewhere? Did will have anything other than a couple of silly anecdotes?

Generally, I think Leiter's right -- Will has mistaken serious scholarship for being liberal. But I don't see even the serious scholars as tilting to the left or progressive side.



#11032: — 12/14  at  08:14 AM
Clarification: I meant "am I correct" not "I am correct" in my initial post to Arcane.

Ben: Succinct version correct.

Ed, In 1980 I signed up for a class in Marxism, sociology class I think, at U Oregon (whoda thunk, huh) but after a couple weeks dropped due to intense boredom. At the same time I had a monetary policy class taught by someone who was a true believer in the Reagan administration approach to said subject. So, at a very liberal campus 1 Marxist, 1 Right Wing Economist. U Idaho is fairly fertile ground for moderate to conservative faculty in some disciplines, although they are considered too liberal by the rest of the state.... which votes about 70% Republican.



#11040: — 12/14  at  10:03 AM
Last time I checked, there was exactly one certified Marxist teaching economics at a U.S. university. I've forgotten his name now, but he was at the University of Maryland, and he left for a foreign school shortly afterward -- that was over 15 years ago. James Clayton, at the University of Utah, for a decade or more including the late 1970s pointed out that not a single Marxist held an appointment in any U.S. economics post. At that time he regarded that as a major oversight, since Marxism was still employed in Europe, Africa and Southeast Asia as a model for some types of development.

I have no doubt that some instructors talk about Marxism. But I doubt there are many certifiable Marxists, even outside of economics. And, of what use is a Marxist outside of economics? A Friedmanian in biology would be undetectable.

So what is George Will whining about now? Is he still upset that Garry Wills writes more important stuff than he does?

By the way, do you seriously want to address bias? Can you name any university program in the United States that offers an undergraduate degree in "Unions," or labor? If you can find one, stack it against all those who offer "business."

Bias? Damn, George Will is a fish. He didn't invent the water, and he damn sure isn't the world's expert in various flavors of it.



#11054: mattH — 12/14  at  12:16 PM
Ironic that you should refer to James Clayton and the U of U, Ed. Professors Al Campbell and Hans Ehrbar are two Marxists practicing at the U of U. The U of U has a Heterodox Economics program with a rather wide range of input, not just a Marxist one. The current department chair is working on something called "Reconstructing Heterodox Growth Theory".



#11055: Arcane — 12/14  at  12:20 PM
Ed,

While Marxists are not very prevalent in economics departments anymore (I have a friend who has two Marxists teaching in the economics department at the University of Mass), they are quite prevalent in literature, sociology, and sometimes political science departments. In my polisci courses, I've had anarchists as professors, too. Generally critiques as to the ideological makeup of campuses are done based on their liberal arts departments, not their truly scientific departments.

But generally campuses are liberal. In liberal arts departments, the ratio is like 16 liberals to every 1 conservative in the Ivy Leagues. It's more like 9-1 in other campuses.



#11076: — 12/14  at  01:53 PM
The Right's hand-wringing about academia's liberality has always struck me as disingenuous. There should be no mystery to why universities are institutionally liberal; they thrive on the combination of (a) free speech and unfettered inquiry along with (b)financial support from government. The combination naturally leads to bias towards liberal policy. It's my understanding that before the GI Bill, colleges, especially private schools, were far more conservative generally, as one would expect of what were once privately-funded training grounds for the next generation of society's elite.

I understand, though, why the right pretends not to understand this and to be so upset by it. The Right has most of the leaders of Wall Street, banking, the Fortune 500, the military, the churches, etc. - virtually every important institution in society. Moreover, their control over nearly all of society's institutions is never really remarked upon; it's seen as natural and fitting and not open to question. Having seen their decades-long work at destroying labor unions pay off in spades, and having neutered even the notion of muck-raking press through consolidation and other factors, there remains really only one bastion of institutional support of liberal ideas: universities. If they can be knocked off or made "fair and balanced", the game is pretty much up - while liberalism as an ideal will not be dead, the kind of financial support for liberalism that only major social institutions can muster WILL have died. That universities have little influence over the course of public debate really doesn't matter much; it's about gaining complete ideological hegemony. The Right wants a complete matching set of societal institutions, and academia will complete their collection; that's what the current foo-faw is about, in my opinion.



#11100: — 12/14  at  06:56 PM
I dunno what they're whining about....

In the "marketplace of ideas" that a university represents...they lost. They're not as competitive.

Why, it almost sounds as though these conservatives are asking for some sort of - wait for it - "affirmitive action" to be taken on their behalf to repair the injustice of discrimination they face!

It would actually be funny if it weren't so damn annoying.



#11116: Mike — 12/14  at  10:24 PM

So why are they following the Republican piper (and Republicans seem to be a poor excuse for conservatives, anyway)?


This immediately brought to my mind images of John McCain on the campaign trail with Bush. I imagined him gritting his teeth at every photo op. I mean, after what Bush did to him during the 2000 primaries, who can think anything else?

The only explanation that comes to mind is a mistaken sense of loyalty. Mistaken in that the principled Conservatives who go along with the Rove et al. are massively underestimating the danger they pose to our country (and, I hope, damage to the Republican Party).



#11187: — 12/15  at  05:15 PM
Paperwight: I take offense to your #7 statement that heartland values are incompatable with a knowledge of viticology. I am equally disappointed that none of the others called you on it.

It is with pride of our cultural prowess of self reliance that I have replaced a waterpump on a '72 C-10 4x4 while sucking on a plastic tumbler of iced Franzia Chillable Red. And I've cleaned the Garand and 1911A1 while blowing a point one-five courtesy of the (ex) wife's stash of Boone's Farm while watching John Milius movies (still can't find that ejector spring).

Being a Democrat, you may associate the joy of the grape with your hauty Grande Cru's and your pompous Mis en ce Boteilles. This (slightly gray-toothed) Republican (thank you Inglenook Burgundy) dwells in the Domaine de Cardboard, and dammit, only the finest boxed wines make it into my Coleman as the battered GPW chugs valiantly into the Sonora.

After a day of pulling out stuck vehicles, cleaning up litter and educating Euro-trash on the nuances of desert life, I've proudly left semi-digested tri-tip and industrial quantities of Gallo's best at the base of a camp-side creosote bush.

Nothing like a desert sunset while reading L'Amour as Carlo Rossi pulls down the curtain on sobriety. Please—stand corrected.

I remain, Your Obediant Servant, Richard



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