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Saturday, February 12, 2005

Aww, what a nice Darwin's Day present…

Both Eva and Jason have scooped me, but it's never too late to gloat. Behe's feeble sortie into the obliging arms of the NY Times (which I criticized before) gets its fundamental dishonesty highlighted today.

Behe had written,

In 1998 an issue of the journal Cell was devoted to molecular machines, with articles like "The Cell as a Collection of Protein Machines" and "Mechanical Devices of the Spliceosome: Motors, Clocks, Springs and Things." Referring to his student days in the 1960's, Bruce Alberts, president of the National Academy of Sciences, wrote that "the chemistry that makes life possible is much more elaborate and sophisticated than anything we students had ever considered." In fact, Dr. Alberts remarked, the entire cell can be viewed as a factory with an elaborate network of interlocking assembly lines, each of which is composed of a set of large protein machines. He emphasized that the term machine was not some fuzzy analogy; it was meant literally.

Doesn't that sound to you like he's suggesting that Alberts' ideas favor Intelligent Design? And that citing the president of the NAS was a way to borrow a little credibility for his claims? Alas, poor Behe, but sometimes quote mining can turn around and bite you on the butt.

You guessed it, Bruce Alberts responded. He disagrees with Behe. No, "disagree" is too mild a term: he stands in opposition, 180° away from Behe, and forcefully contradicts him.

In "Design for Living" (Op-Ed, Feb. 7), Michael J. Behe quoted me, recalling how I discovered that "the chemistry that makes life possible is much more elaborate and sophisticated than anything we students had ever considered" some 40 years ago. Dr. Behe then paraphrases my 1998 remarks that "the entire cell can be viewed as a factory with an elaborate network of interlocking assembly lines, each of which is composed of a set of large protein machines."

That I was unaware of the complexity of living things as a student should not be surprising. In fact, the majestic chemistry of life should be astounding to everyone. But these facts should not be misrepresented as support for the idea that life's molecular complexity is a result of "intelligent design." To the contrary, modern scientific views of the molecular organization of life are entirely consistent with spontaneous variation and natural selection driving a powerful evolutionary process.

In evolution, as in all areas of science, our knowledge is incomplete. But the entire success of the scientific enterprise has depended on an insistence that these gaps be filled by natural explanations, logically derived from confirmable evidence. Because "intelligent design" theories are based on supernatural explanations, they can have nothing to do with science.

Ow, that has gotta sting.

That should be a lesson to the Intelligent Design creationists: don't try to take scientist's words and pretend that they intended to support your unfounded, unscientific claims.


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Comments:
#15926: — 02/12  at  06:37 PM
The ID people should know by now that quote-mining dead people is the safer course.....



#15927: — 02/12  at  07:20 PM
Here's something that occurred to me:

Evolution is basically a trial-and-error process. Some things work out well, some things don't.

If an intelligent designer could exist, why would it be making errors? Wouldn't everything be a perfect fit?

And if the intelligent designer is the Judeo-Christian god, why do the ID proponents think their god is fallible? (And weak - a god who needs to micromanage evolution is like a pool shark who performs trick shots by guiding the balls by hand. A much more powerful god is one who can call "Sentient bipeds in 20 billion years, including Heidi Klum", tap the cueball, set off the big bang, and let things take their course.)

The error issue gave me an idea.

Perhaps a good anti-ID tactic would be to point out, repeatedly, that it's basically a Gnostic heresy and incompatible with Christian belief. If the creator of the universe is making mistakes, then it can't be god, but sounds more like an inferior, evil, world-creating Demiurge.

If the idea were spread that ID is incompatible with Christian belief, and is in fact pagan, it might provide a nifty wedge to drive people away from ID and force them to push regular Creationism.



#15929: — 02/12  at  07:47 PM
Of course, Heidi Klum was designed, at least in part, by human beings, not God.

http://www.goodplasticsurgery.com/archives/005459.html



#15931: coturnix — 02/12  at  09:04 PM
New Carnival of the Godless is now online:
http://sciencepolitics.blogspot.com/2005/02/carnival-of-godless-3_110826304012392185.html



#15932: — 02/12  at  11:06 PM
coturnix -

Do you happen to know a Dr. Eric Herzog? I believe he was at Duke until a few years ago (although it could have been UNC) - now at Washington University (St. Louis).

His research is circadian rhythms in mammals.

Just curious. smile

Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

-Jerry Garcia



#15933: coturnix — 02/12  at  11:11 PM
I know Eric very well. We tried really hard to get him to NCSU a couple of years ago. I wish we could - we would have done some great collaborative work. I greatly admire his stuff. Actually, I have commented on his most recent paper here: Cutting Edge: Circadian Rhythm in Astrocytes



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Michael Behe's op-ed piece in today's New York Times was completely discredited by Nick Matzke at Panda's Thumb and PZ Myers at Pharyngula. There is little that a amateur like me can add. I do think it is fun to...



#15952: lloydletta — 02/13  at  12:54 PM
Thanks for linking to my post on this, PZ. I think when fighting the battle of public relations - and that's what this is - when the ID Creationists are called on their lies - and that's what this was - it helps take away their credibility when they make other statements.

The same crowd lies about a number of other things - "the average age of death for a gay man is 41" or "abortion causes breast cancer".



#16017: — 02/14  at  01:01 PM
'Gnostic heresy'

Haha, Good point. Unfortunatly it appears the evidence leads not to a historical start to the religion but a Gnostic start. Which means it really wasn't heresy at all.

grin



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