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Tuesday, June 07, 2005

Bastardizing Ph.D.s

I'm trying to remember who all was on my Ph.D. dissertation committee way, way back in the day. There was a developmental biologist and neuroscientist, a geneticist, a physiologist, and a molecular biologist, and they were all very well known in their fields—one is even routinely mentioned in undergrad cell biology texts. They made me bleed for some time, but the vetting was thorough, I can promise you that. Anyone who has suffered through a grad program in biology will tell you that it is a long process full of caprice and torment that does little for your self-esteem, and doesn't even guarantee you a job let alone a financially rewarding career at the end of it, but you do get slammed with a mountain of biology. Unless, that is, you game the system and arrange an advisor and dissertation committee with competence outside the bounds of your thesis, especially if they've got an ideological bias to accept your conclusion, no matter what the evidence might be.

That seems to be the way Intelligent Design creationism is going to get their sycophants some "prestigious" degrees, by working to shortchange the educational process.

That behavior is of a piece with the IDC strategy of the last couple of years: fix the jury and you don’t have to worry about the merits of your position. Sternberg publishing Meyer, Sermonti publishing Wells, the Kansas Creationist Kangaroo Court, and now the Leonard affair, all demonstrate the same pattern of behavior: game the system so the fix is in, and science (and education) be damned.

This is corruption, plain and simple. While our primary education system is being gutted by anti-intellectual school boards, now these amoral know-nothings have turned their sights to our graduate programs, and aim to diminish their credibility as well. Our research universities have been among the envies of the world; once again, creationists work to debase something of value.


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Comments:
#27591: heinrich — 06/07  at  01:31 PM
hmmh, trying to guess who might have been on your committee could wind up being a fun little game: U of O, early '80s....did some of them move up to Portland a few years later?

wink



#27596: — 06/07  at  01:53 PM
Hey PZ,

Just a note- I received my Ph.D. from a prestigious, probably the most prestigious Ivy League university in Genetics, and I can tell you the program was more akin to a factory. There is such a demand for labor in research that the feeling was less one of academic achievement, and more of filling labs with warm bodies. Hence, the odds of someone slipping through and then showing up on the other side, I would say are greatly increased these days.



's avatar #27599: PZ Myers — 06/07  at  02:29 PM
Yeah, CK, I know the feeling, and I've seen programs that treat grad students as menial labor. It depends on the program and the advisor, but I do think there is a difference between that cavalier attitude, which we should also oppose, and actively undermining the quality of education by stocking it with unqualified people. I was lucky in getting good supportive committee members, and my advisor was very helpful (and to help heinrich, his initials were the same as yours).

More hints for heinrich: no, my committee members are either deceased or still at UO. The most famous to a wide audience is...well, he's one of the names in a famous experiment to demonstrate semi-conservative replication.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#27602: — 06/07  at  02:35 PM
Major piece of the news missing here. This isn't just any old PhD thesis. This is a dissertation on the benefits of teaching ID, as science, to 10th graders. We have plenty of creationists with PhDs. This isn't a problem. There are even one or two honest creationists with PhDs, if you can believe it. The problem here is that the creationists on campus, all two of them, were trying to have OSU recognize ID as science by slipping it through quietly. Now the strategy will be to have martyrs to academic freedom, and possibly take OSU to court.



#27610: — 06/07  at  03:19 PM
I enjoyed grad school for the most part but I had a genuine bastard sitting at my thesis committee meeting.

My favorite quotes:

"We're going to pass you because we don't want to have to sit through it again."

and

"Your adviser says you are extremely intelligent. NOthing I've seen from you supports that conclusion."

and of course

"Unless you change your ways, you'll never amount to anything in any field."

A paper in JBC, Science, Cell, and a book chapter and got the hell out in 6 years.

Now I'm a patent lawyer and a part-time creationist-basher.



#27621: judgeMC — 06/07  at  05:41 PM
Mr. PZ,

A friend of mine had an interesting idea. Since you sometimes print lists of books, movies, songs...ect. why not run a list of important science theories and invite your readers to add on to it? I wonder how may of them are dimissed by IDer's as "just theories."

I don't know what you think, but I beleive the one envolving gravity works quite well for being "just a theory."



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