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Saturday, July 02, 2005

Biology as Ideology

Since people are talking about Alon Levy's essay, Biology Is Not Ideology, a critique of Lewontin's Biology As Ideology: The Doctrine of DNA, I thought I'd open up a thread for it here.

Maybe later, when I get a chance, I'll throw in my two cents about the book, too.


Oh, heck, here's a little bit of a critique.

I'm going to have to disagree completely with Alon—he has misread the book. He says he read it expecting to find it "full of cheap shots at science" and concludes that "Lewontin is a popularizer of anti-science". I have the advantage of being familiar with Lewontin's work, though. He is the Alexander Aggasiz Research Professor at the Museum of Comparative Zoology, Harvard University. He has an incredible research record. He is most definitely not anti-science, anti-evolution, or anti-genetics—he has been a pioneer in those fields. He's a very smart cookie and a great writer. He also has his own biases—he's Marxist and proud of it—and isn't immune to error. But viewing this book through the lens of an assumption that Lewontin penned an anti-science screed has distorted his interpretations.

For instance, take a look at the conclusion of Lewontin's first chapter.

While these examples are meant to disillusion the reader about the objectivity and vision of transcendent truth claimed by scientists, they are not intended to be antiscientific or to suggest that we should give up science in favor of, say, astrology or thinking beautiful thoughts. Rather, they are meant to acquaint the reader with the truth about science as a social activity and to promote reasonable skepticism about the sweeping claims that modern science makes to an understanding of human existence. There is a difference between skepticism and cynicism, for the former can lead to action and the latter only to passivity. So these pages have a political end, too, which is to encourage the readers not to leave science to the experts, not to be mystified by it, but to demand a sophisticated scientific understanding in which everyone can share.

This mistake runs throughout Alon's essay. Over and over again, he accuses Lewontin of "attacking" science, for example,

Besides attacking the fundamental tenets of scientific research, the book also attacks certain specific concepts, which I will deal with now. First, I will talk about the heritability of IQ, which Lewontin denies; and then, I will defend the Human Genome Project, which he attacks as useless and ideological.

This is most peculiar. A biologist well known for the rigor of his research is attacking fundamental tenets of research? Where? You won't find it anywhere in Biology as Ideology, I'm afraid. Instead, Lewontin is criticizing flawed assumptions drawn from modern science.

IQ is a good example, but I'd rather not get into that long muddle right now. Alon makes a number of mistakes here, taking for granted that "heritability" means what he thinks it means ("heritability" is a very narrow, specific parameter in genetics, one that is frequently conveniently elided to new colloquial meanings by those who want to argue for racial theories of intelligence), that twin studies have adequately excluded environmental factors, and even that we can realistically dissociate the innate from the environmental. One of the things that Lewontin hammers on repeatedly is that latter misconception; it's one of the major ideological fallacies of much of modern biology.

Alon's claim that Lewontin attacks the HGP as useless is false, and that it is ideological is simply correct.

What Lewontin actually criticizes about the HGP are the claims that it will teach us "how life works" or that it will provide a "complete blueprint" for humanity. I suspect that he actually feels about genomic data as I do: it's a wonderful, powerful tool for comparative research, it tells us much about our genetic history, and it is a major aid for doing science, but it tells us nothing about individuals and has a long, long way to go before we understand all those other processes and interactions that are necessary for a cell to function. It's grossly incomplete.

Where ideology comes into play is in the reluctance to recognize that last fact. But of course ideology biases science. Of course economics and ideological expectations warp what kind of science gets funded. To deny that the Human Genome Project was driven by ideological issues is to deny reality. It doesn't mean it was useless or that we haven't gained anything from it. We should be aware that many of the central advocates of the HGP profited hugely from it. Ideology is everywhere, and it doesn't help to turn a blind eye to it.

For instance, Science recently published their Top 25 Questions Facing Science and one of them had me flabbergasted: Why Do Humans Have So Few Genes? That isn't a science question at all—it's more sociology than anything. It's all about the surprise to many scientists that we "only" had 25-30,000 genes. I run into these strange articles all the time where people try to rationalize this, as if it were some problem that fish and mustard plants have more genes than we do. But why should we expect people to have more genes than a pufferfish? Why is 25,000 considered too few—we don't even know what most of them do! Just the fact that one of the major science journals thinks this is a pressing issue tells you something.

I'm afraid I read Biology as Ideology and agreed with just about everything Lewontin said. But then, I didn't go into it assuming that he was "attacking" all of science. Rather, he's advocating a realistic examination of how the social enterprise of science impinges on the objective execution of science.


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Comments:
#30683: Arun — 07/03  at  11:56 AM
From my perspective, the Human Genome Project involved mass-production-izing well-understood laboratory techniques already in use. If the HGP had not happened, the human genome would eventually have been sequenced, but over many, many more years, perhaps (finally) in a series of senior undergrad projects.

The attempt to detect gravity waves of general relativity (LIGO) while indeed technologically intensive ( attempt to extend laser interferometry to extreme levels of precision) is more science than technology, because the aim is to detect a postulated but never directly detected entity. There is no substitute to the LIGO experiment.

The Apollo project and the Manhattan project, likewise, didn't require a whole lot of new scientific principles - nothing qualitatively new - they were primarily engineering problems.

I admit, the distinction is imprecise.

Anyway, waiting to hear more about heritability.



#30684: Raven — 07/03  at  11:59 AM
If these are all technology projects, then can you give any examples of science projects?


These days, it's getting harder and harder to get funding to do a pure science project--in fact, when I had an internship a few years ago to develop a cancer application of my mouse anatomy ontology research (i.e., technology), I was told in so many words that the client wasn't interested in a "science project" (i.e., knowledge without immediate direct application).

But I got back at them--I delivered the technology as promised AND in the process did science without telling them smile.



#30685: — 07/03  at  12:06 PM
From Loren Petrich's comment:

Lewontin sneers,
Many of the most fundamental claims of science are against common sense and seem absurd on their face. Do physicists really expect me to accept without serious qualms that the pungent cheese that I had for lunch is really made up of tiny, tasteless, odorless, colorless packets of energy with nothing but empty space between them?

I invite him to go to a beach and make some sand castles and teach himself a lesson in emergent properties -- collectives of sand grains have some properties very different from those of individual sand grains.

Toward the end, he seems to be making a plea for scientists to incorporate gods and demons and so forth into their hypotheses; he ought to address the question of how those hypotheses would be tested.
-------------------
While I have not read Lewontin's book either (it is now on my list), I must say that Lewontin most likely is not "sneering". Rather, he is showing the attitude, often unspoken, of the general public toward science. I have observed the phenomenon myself when talking to people at my church (they are fundies, I am not) and debating my friends at work. Americans are in general ignorant of the advances made in science since 1850. They accept that a TV works, but have no idea HOW (Quantum? Wasn't that a TV show?). They know that reporduction works, but are largely ignorant of meiosis (RNA? Oh, yeah! My friend is a nurse, too. She is RNB...), etc.

I recall that Stephen Jay Gould also covered the topic of social bias and ideology in The Panda's Thumb. I believe that the ideological and dogmatic views in Fundamentalism drive not only their "fact filters" but also their agenda.

We need to address the fact that education does seem somewhat lacking in terms of required classes at the elementary and high-school levels. There is also the matter of attitude toward education expressed by students and their parents. The Jerry Springer Show provides some interesting anecdotal evidence for that.



#30686: Alon Levy — 07/03  at  12:10 PM
Arun, if you're interested, Turkheimer's paper is available online:

<a href="http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ent3c/papers2/Turkheimer psychological science.pdf">http://www.people.virginia.edu/~ent3c/papers2/Turkheimer psychological science.pdf</a>



#30687: Arun — 07/03  at  12:36 PM
#30681 - I don't see any evidence for the innate capacity metaphor in anything discussed so far. You have to show not just heritability, but also that the average goes down by a sufficient number of standard deviations, like in #30666; you also have to show that high SES people have an asymmetric distribution, as more and more of them approach the "full potential".



#30688: — 07/03  at  12:38 PM
Tigerbear, you haven't read my article, have you? Because either you don't know that I refuted his claims about legitimization, or you have read them and don't care. You keep saying his being a scientist necessarily makes him pro-science; will you also chide someone who thinks Foucault and Derrida practice extreme anti-intellectualism because Foucault and Derrida are intellectuals?


I read it. You didn't refute it. You may believe you did, but that's your own problem, quite frankly. Your critique of 19th century post-Darwinian theory is poor, Whiggish, even. Your interpretation of political theory in the service of the non-legimitisation argument is hilariously superficial.
I won't rise to the post-modernist bashing. Apart from you seem to enjoy denouncing academics in witch-hunt terms, so perhaps you enjoyed the Sokal hoax. I'm not sure you'd have understood much about it, though.
'Even before I read it, I expected to find it full of cheap shots at science'.
One sentence.
Says it all.



's avatar #30689: PZ Myers — 07/03  at  12:51 PM
I really don't see how you refuted his legitimization argument. You acknowledge that it has occurred in the case of eugenics, so how can you argue it is not occurring now in the case of genetic reductionism? It's practically inescapable--we're always hearing about the discovery of a gene for schizophrenia, a gene for homosexuality, a gene for this and that. We still have public policy debates that center around whether a behavior is 'innate', or declare that a zygote is human because it has the full genetic complement.

You know I'm gung-ho about science...but that doesn't mean I close my eyes and pretend science isn't used as a legitimator of contemporary ideology.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



's avatar #30692: Chris Clarke — 07/03  at  01:02 PM
According to your quote, Darwin claims he read Malthus in 10/1838. But that was when he already had massive evidence for natural selection; the sources I can find aren't clear on whether he developed the theory of natural selection before or after 10/1838 - from what I've read I'm fairly sure he did in 1838, but I have no idea in what month.


The primary source, namely Charles Darwin, says that he developed the theory after considering the ideas in Malthus' writings. Which has been told you repeatedly.

And of course he had collected massive evidence for natural selection. No one disputes that. He was working out how to explain the phenomena expressed in the data when he built upon Malthus' insight into population dynamics.

If it's as trivial as not making type II errors, then why do people think it's somehow in the nature of science to legitimize social structure when no one thinks it's in its nature to make type II errors?


No one thinks it's in "science's nature" to make Type II errors?

Forget this. I'm gonna go talk about trigonometry with my dog. That'll be less frustrating than this dialogue, with a marginally greater possibility of subsequent increased understanding on the part of my correspondent.

"I do not think we should antagonize the religious when it is not warranted, though I think we should be willing to do so whenever it is.”
-- Glen Davidson



#30695: Alon Levy — 07/03  at  01:22 PM
You acknowledge that it has occurred in the case of eugenics, so how can you argue it is not occurring now in the case of genetic reductionism?

For one, the direction of causation is opposite. Eugenics wasn't the cause of widespread racism in the West; it was developed in the wake of such racism. Anthropology didn't cause Europeans to believe their cultures were superior to non-Europeans'; it developed as Europeans tried to justify these beliefs. Genetic determinism, however, caused rather than was caused by the recent hysteria in the media and political discourse for genes and innateness.

The primary source, namely Charles Darwin, says that he developed the theory after considering the ideas in Malthus' writings. Which has been told you repeatedly.

And of course he had collected massive evidence for natural selection. No one disputes that. He was working out how to explain the phenomena expressed in the data when he built upon Malthus' insight into population dynamics.


So saying he took ideas from political economy and expanded them to natural economy only reveals part of the picture, the other part being that he applied these ideas to massive amounts of evidence.

No one thinks it's in "science's nature" to make Type II errors?

Please tell me that if someone tells you that one of science's roles, along with observation and explanation, is to make type II errors, you won't laugh.



#30698: Alex Merz — 07/03  at  02:29 PM
Please tell me that if someone tells you that one of science's roles, along with observation and explanation, is to make type II errors, you won't laugh.

Apparently Alon has difficulty distinguishing how science should be done from how it often is done. [/snark]



#30699: Raven — 07/03  at  02:38 PM
For one, the direction of causation is opposite. Eugenics wasn't the cause of widespread racism in the West; it was developed in the wake of such racism. Anthropology didn't cause Europeans to believe their cultures were superior to non-Europeans'; it developed as Europeans tried to justify these beliefs. Genetic determinism, however, caused rather than was caused by the recent hysteria in the media and political discourse for genes and innateness.


What is the direction of causation in a positive feedback loop, Alon? The assumption that causation is linear and unidirectional is too simplistic a model for either biology or sociology.

An example from biology: Gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) stimulates the production of luteinizing hormone (LH). LH stimulates the production of estrogen. Estrogen stimulates GnRH, which stimulates more LH, which stimulates more estrogen....This keeps going more and more strongly until something else intervenes to break the cycle.

Can you say that GnRH "causes" estrogen, or that estrogen "causes" GnRH? Or is that model too simplistic to map to the reality it purports to represent?

Similarly, just because eugenics grew out of racism, I don't think you can just assume that eugenics wasn't used to fan racism, in a similar positive feedback loop. In fact, I know you can't, because there are examples of how it was used to justify the codification of sterilization laws.

So when you argue that causation is linear and unidirectional, your own example cited shows that your model of causation is not sufficient in either the biological or the sociopolitical domain. And true science--as opposed to science used to prop up an agenda--is about going where the facts take you, not where you necessarily want to go. In this case, the facts indicate that your model is too simplistic.



#30701: Raven — 07/03  at  02:42 PM
(I have a bad feeling that this is going to end up as a duplicate; apologies in advance if that's the case.)

For one, the direction of causation is opposite. Eugenics wasn't the cause of widespread racism in the West; it was developed in the wake of such racism. Anthropology didn't cause Europeans to believe their cultures were superior to non-Europeans'; it developed as Europeans tried to justify these beliefs. Genetic determinism, however, caused rather than was caused by the recent hysteria in the media and political discourse for genes and innateness.


What is the direction of causation in a positive feedback loop, Alon? The assumption that causation is linear and unidirectional is too simplistic a model for either biology or sociology.

An example from biology: Gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) stimulates the production of luteinizing hormone (LH). LH stimulates the production of estrogen. Estrogen stimulates GnRH, which stimulates more LH, which stimulates more estrogen....This keeps going more and more strongly until something else intervenes to break the cycle.

Can you say that GnRH "causes" estrogen, or that estrogen "causes" GnRH? Or is that model too simplistic to map to the reality it purports to represent?

Similarly, just because eugenics grew out of racism, I don't think you can just assume that eugenics wasn't used to fan racism, in a similar positive feedback loop. In fact, I know you can't, because there are examples of how it was used to justify the codification of sterilization laws.

So when you argue that causation is linear and unidirectional, your own example cited shows that your model of causation is not sufficient in either the biological or the sociopolitical domain. And true science--as opposed to science used to prop up an agenda--is about going where the facts take you, not where you necessarily want to go. In this case, the facts indicate that your model is too simplistic.



's avatar #30702: Chris Clarke — 07/03  at  02:44 PM
Apparently Alon has difficulty distinguishing how science should be done from how it often is done. [/snark]


Or the difference between "nature" and "purpose." Another similarity, might I add, between him and the creationists.

"I do not think we should antagonize the religious when it is not warranted, though I think we should be willing to do so whenever it is.”
-- Glen Davidson



#30703: coturnix — 07/03  at  03:15 PM
There are three methodological approaches in science: holism, reductionism and mechanism (various authors use other terms, e.g., reductionism is sometimes called vulgar reductionism or philosophical reductionism, while mechanism is sometimes called methodological reductionism).

Imagine a representative from each of the three traditions being given a yummy chocolate layered cake, a Viennese torte, if you want, and asked to explain it.

The Holist: Cake is beautiful. Cutting it will destroy the essential cakeness of the Cake, thus no investigation will provide true explanation. The Cake is only to be studies by obeservation.

The Reductionist: Study of the texture and chemical composition of the single bottom layer is sufficient to explain the whole cake.

The Mechanist: In order to explain the cake one needs to: observe the cake, observe the responses to manipulations of the Cake's environment, slice the cake and look at all layers, study the texture and composition of each layer, study the border regions between the layers to see how they interact, study several different cakes, and observe cakes being baked. Putting all of this knowledge together will explain the Cake. As a final test, one should be able to make a new Cake, as well as make a different cake yet be able to predict beforehand how the cake will turn out.

Back to real science (biology, at least).

Holism: Creationism (God did it) and Gaia hypothesis (Mother Earth is too complex for us to understand). Shrug your shoulders, admit defeat and quit trying to understand anything. The idea is that it is IMPOSSIBLE to understand a complex system by studying its components.

Reductionism: Genocentrism ("selfish gene" theory, Evolutionary Psychology as opposed to evolutionary psychology). Claim that everything worth knowing about a complex system can be learned from studying the identity, structure and properties of the most elemental particles of the system. In physics, those are subatomic particles. In biology, for no logical reason, it is genes. If the logic of the reductionism is taken to its conclusion, we should be able to learn everything about life by studying subatomic particles. Stopping at the level of genes is an arbitrary choice.

Mechanism: Nature of interactions between elements is more important than identities of elements, though identities are useful for tracking interactions (hence usefulness of HGP as a tool, yet not as a "blueprint of life") Interactions have to be studied at all levels (integrative biology). Interactions between elements and sub-systems at all levels have to be studied in several systems (comparative method). While identities are static, interactions are dynamic, introducing the element of time into the study (development, evolution).

For a different example, more detail and references go here.



#30704: John Emerson — 07/03  at  03:50 PM
Besides falsely accusing Lewontin of being an anti-science liar, Alon makes a number of hyperbolic statements that he couldn't possibly justify (three examples below). He'd really have to rewrite his piece entirely, and do a lot of new research, before it would be credible.


Indeed, Lewontin's claim about Darwin is the first of many in which he reveals himself to be completely ignorant of intellectual and political history....

In reality, it's the only example; in the last four hundred years, there have been exactly two cases of science being subservient to the dominant social structure—eugenics in the early 20th century and anthropology in the late 18th and early 19th century.....

In fact, science is not used to legitimize social structures at all. Lewontin may claim that science has replaced religion as the instrument that the establishment uses to keep the social order, but every political theorist you'll ask will tell you that it's true only in communist countries....



#30708: John Emerson — 07/03  at  04:36 PM
"Lewontin is as qualified to talk about legitimization as Larry Summers is to talk about gender differences in cognition or Noam Chomsky is to talk about foreign policy."

As a very well informed citizen, Noam Chomsky is well-qualified to talk about foreign policy. He might be right or wrong, but he knows his stuff. Credentialed experts in the field of foreign policy need to be watched by uncredentialed experts, because the guys with credentials have their axes to grind and their nests to feather.

Chomsky, Lewontin -- two leftists. Might there be a little political determination of Alon's thinking? Or does he just believe that only people licensed in a field should be allowed to say anything about it?



#30714: — 07/03  at  06:09 PM
Frankly, I'm baffled at Lewontin's contention that the Human Genome Project is ideologically motivated. Perhaps it seems ideologically motivated when it seems like it's motivated by some ideology that Lewontin dislikes.

I can respect the argument that it is not worth the expense, but the ideological-motivation argument is almost too bizarre to be taken seriously. Lewontin seems to think that the HGP is motivated mainly by belief in psychological determinism, but that project has plenty of other scientific value, something that he does not adequately appreciate.

Also, PZ Myers seems to me like he's whitewashing Lewontin's views, trying to project his views onto Lewontin's, in the fashion of a common manner of interpreting sacred books.



#30717: Alex Merz — 07/03  at  07:09 PM
Loren,

how closely did you follow the debates that led up to the initiation of the HGP in earnest? Nota bene: Biology as Ideology was published almost fifteen years ago and was based on essays written more than fifteen years ago. Hindsight is a lot easier than foresight.

There is no question that serious politics were involved.This was a huge debate that involved the collision of very different worldviews, and very different views of what biology, as a subject, should encompass. As a working scientist, I think that the HGP has provided a net benefit over the pre-HGP status quo, if not without significant costs incurred along the way (the rise of a whole field of ferociously expensive but in many, many cases uninformative "-omic" analyses). The pharmaceutical industry has spent untold billions on genomics and proteomics -- nearly all of it pissed away without significant new products entering the pipeline (this is not a radical view; it is one echoed in recent talks I've seen by VP-level exectutives of top-5 pharma firms).

As for Lewontin's current view of the HGP's scientific value, that is hard to gauge. He opposed the HGP at its outset, as did very many sane biologists, most of whom thought that those resources would have been better applied to other projects. Nevertheless, I seriously doubt that the author of Scientific American's book Human Diversity sees no value in the HGP.

Lewontin does like to chuck rhetorical grenades. But while the man may say many things with which I and many other biologists disagree, he is neither stupid nor insane. Many of the sentiments attributed to him in this thread are, I think, due to misreadings of his essays. I urge Alon, Loren, and others here to read some of Lewontin's other books -- e.g., Human Diversity and The Triple Helix: Gene, Organism, and Environment. Do that and learn a bit about the political struggles that surrounded the inception of HGP, and maybe then we can have a useful conversation about Lewontin, and the place of his ideas in the history of biology.



's avatar #30718: PZ Myers — 07/03  at  07:15 PM
Right. I think Lewontin definitely enjoys being a cranky contrarian, but still, there's a solid core of truth to what he's saying.

To your list of costs, I'd add another: the HGP made a lot of newly-minted scientists who are darn good PCR/sequencer technicians, but don't know much actual biology.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#30742: Alon Levy — 07/04  at  02:18 AM
Chomsky, Lewontin -- two leftists. Might there be a little political determination of Alon's thinking?

Please note that when I said that, I mentioned Lewontin along with Larry Summers and Noam Chomsky; in fact I think Summers provides a better analogy than Chomsky.

Or does he just believe that only people licensed in a field should be allowed to say anything about it?

If I believed that, why would I say anything about the subject myself? I brought that up to argue that about sociology of science, Lewontin and I are in the same position, namely that of an informed layman.

Besides falsely accusing Lewontin of being an anti-science liar, Alon makes a number of hyperbolic statements that he couldn't possibly justify (three examples below). He'd really have to rewrite his piece entirely, and do a lot of new research, before it would be credible.

I don't accuse Lewontin of being a liar. I call exactly one statement of his a lie, and that's the one that most plainly contradicts reality and is most easily refuted.

What is the direction of causation in a positive feedback loop, Alon? The assumption that causation is linear and unidirectional is too simplistic a model for either biology or sociology.

That's correct... but there still is a difference between eugenics and early anthropology on the one hand and modern genetics on the other. Eugenics was used to justify certain racial laws, but the entire political climate then was racist. It didn't create that climate, and most importantly, those social views caused scientists to believe very false things. Similarly, early anthropology fit into a puzzle of cultural supremacy, but it didn't create it.

Now, modern genetics is different. Lewontin doesn't produce any evidence that mainstream scientists believe(d) in genetic determinism because of a social view. His argument is more or less, "these both look like individualism so one must have influenced the other," which is strictly ex rectum. What happens now is that scientific genetic determinism is applied by many politicians and pundits to questions about homosexuality and abortion and depression and race. But that's exactly the view that "except for the unwanted intrusions of ignorant politicians, science is above the social fray," which Lewontin attacks.

To your list of costs, I'd add another: the HGP made a lot of newly-minted scientists who are darn good PCR/sequencer technicians, but don't know much actual biology.

To use Arun's terminology, technology projects tend to do that. The Manhattan project hinged on emphasizing engineering more than physics, for instance.



#30756: John Emerson — 07/04  at  06:48 AM
I brought that up to argue that about sociology of science, Lewontin and I are in the same position, namely that of an informed layman.

You have also said
Indeed, Lewontin's claim about Darwin is the first of many in which he reveals himself to be completely ignorant of intellectual and political history.

There's so much overkill in your writing that I would have ignored it entirely except that I was in the mood to argue. I really feel that I know little more about what Lewontin said now than I did before I read your piece.



#30757: Alon Levy — 07/04  at  06:59 AM
Well, he is of course informed about science and how it is done, but the problem is that he says utterly wrong things about history and political science. For example, his claim about science and legitimacy contradicts what every political scientist will tell you about how modern societies are legitimized.



#30759: — 07/04  at  07:56 AM
"The HGP has no medical applications yet"

Really PZ? None? That is a very brave claim, what exactly do you mean by that? Although the HGP was only recently completed, and medical treatments take a long time to develop, I still imagine that there would be at least one treatment that has been developed that benefited from information in the HGP, maybe through sequencing a relevant gene or inclusion of a sequenced gene on a microarray used for drug profiling. I can think of quite a few treatments in my own field that relied upon information in the HGP, but they're still in clinical trials.



's avatar #30760: PZ Myers — 07/04  at  08:10 AM
Exactly. Yet. I think there is a great deal of promise in the HGP for medical breakthroughs, but realistically, it's all very remote and abstract, and it's going to take a lot of new effort to translate sequence into therapy.

Read some of the early hype for the HGP, and you get the impression that once the sequence is in hand, the cure for cancer will come tumbling out. We all know better than that.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#30762: — 07/04  at  08:21 AM
"Read some of the early hype for the HGP, and you get the impression that once the sequence is in hand, the cure for cancer will come tumbling out. We all know better than that."

But was that the scientists themselves or the press?

Here's a press release from the Wellcome Trust Sanger Institute:

http://www.sanger.ac.uk/Info/Press/2003/030414.shtml

"We shouldn't expect immediate major breakthroughs but there is no doubt we have embarked on one of the most exciting chapters of the book of life."



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