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Sunday, April 24, 2005

Boo. Dave Eaton is in the Star Tribune today, too

The Star Tribune has a substantial series of articles on the opinion pages on Intelligent Design creationism. Unfortunately, they fall into the usual trap of feeling obligated to be "balanced", which in this case means balancing informed opinion with the gibberings of a creationist. I really don't understand why they do this; if they had an electrical engineer explaining how a television worked, would they also seek out a proponent of painterly-gnomism, the "theory" that there are tribes of gnomes living in CRTs that jump up and paint pictures on the screen very fast when you turn your TV on? It seems to me that what they ought to do is run all these articles by someone qualified in the appropriate science & technology discipline, and get their opinion: my article would have been improved by such a process, I'm sure, and all the dishonesty and silliness in Eaton's article would have been cut, reducing it to a lame and tepid short paragraph.

It really is an awful article. It begins by bragging that 82% of Minnesotans polled agree that scientists should "continue to critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory." That's sensible; of course they should, and do. This is not the same as declaring that we should introduce crackpottery into the high school curriculum, however, and Intelligent Design is not a component of critical analysis. The observation does not support his thesis. In addition, popular support is simply not relevant: we do not choose what is true or what should be taught on the basis of popular vote. We know that 9% of Americans don't know what a molecule is, and that 21% have no clue what DNA is; these are not the people we ought to tap to figure out what should be taught in the schools (the sad thing is, these often are the people who rush to fill slots on school boards).

Next, Eaton plays a standard creationist card, one that they think is a trump but that scientists know is a dud: the distinction between micro- and macro-evolution. Creationists love this one because they can pretend to be pro-science by declaring that they agree "100 percent" with microevolution, and then soberly turn to the audience and state that there are grave problems with macroevolution, and that these ideas are in serious debate within the scientific community.

This is lie piled on lie. Microevolution is a fact; it happened and is happening. There is debate within the scientific community on details of mechanisms and relative importance of various processes. Macroevolution is also a fact. It happened and is happening. The scientific community is in virtually 100% agreement on both processes going on, and they are both analogous in the unanimity of support and the continuing research into their precise mechanisms. Macroevolution is not a concept that undermines evolutionary thinking.

Throughout the article, Eaton invents fantasy critics and supporters. For instance, he declares that "many scientists now question the mechanism generating the large amount of change required to account for the completely novel organs or body plans that suddenly emerge in the fossil record." What the heck does that mean? Name some. There are scientists actively researching the mechanisms of macroevolutionary change, but they are working within the framework of evolutionary biology. I doubt that Sean B. Carroll, for instance, thinks his work is justification for Intelligent Design creationism, or that it means evolution is false.

Eaton also says that "Some evolutionists go too far when they insist that evolution should be taught completely without criticism." Again, name some. I don't know any who think this. I believe evolution should be taught as a scientific theory, with proper evaluation of the evidence. I do not think we should confuse the issue with unscientific mumbo-jumbo from the theologians of the Discovery Institute.

Ah, but here's the biggest, fattest, stinkiest set of lies in the whole Eaton piece:

Intelligent design (ID) theory is an emerging scientific challenger to neo-Darwinian theory.

Creationism depends on scripture; ID depends on science.

These are outright falsehoods. ID is not scientific, and that was one of the main points of my op-ed. It is not founded on evidence, there is no research being done on "design theory" and the most prominent institute sponsoring ID, the Discovery Institute, is a glorified public relations firm that pumps out press releases and ships lawyers around the country to defend pseudoscience and water down curricula and textbooks. When I picture serious "scientific challengers", I imagine people with deep backgrounds in science working hard in laboratories, presenting their results at meetings and in papers, and inspiring furious activity in other labs around the world...not a bunch of lawyers and philosophers who wouldn't know which end of a pipettor goes up haranguing little old ladies on school boards.

We also should not ignore the guidance provided in the report language of the federal No Child Left Behind Act, which urges adoption of a science curriculum that "help[s] students to understand the full range of scientific views that exist" about controversial subjects "such as biological evolution."

Wow. He's peddling that old canard about the Santorum amendment? The ID gang must be getting desperate—next thing you know, they'll be dredging up the Lady Hope story.

The story here is that Senator Rick Santorum attempted to pin an amendment to the No Child Left Behind Act. He made a recommendation that language about teaching controversial subjects, naming evolution as an example, be mandated in the Act; this recommendation did not make it out of committee, was not approved by the legislature, and is not present in the NCLB.

It is representative of the usual ID strategy, though: play fast and loose with the facts, erect false fronts everywhere, and try to bamboozle everyone with the illusion that there is something substantial behind their facade of lies.


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Comments:
#22857: — 04/24  at  09:44 AM
Elmer Gantry is alive and well in Minnetonka!



#22860: DarkSyde — 04/24  at  10:27 AM
It begins by bragging that 82% of Minnesotans polled agree that scientists should "continue to critically analyze aspects of evolutionary theory."

Phrased that way, you have to wonder about the 18 % that said no ...



#22864: — 04/24  at  10:43 AM
That's not a critique. It's a rant. Please don't mislead me in the future. Thanks in advance.



#22869: — 04/24  at  11:11 AM
if they had an electrical engineer explaining how a television worked, would they also seek out a proponent of painterly-gnomism, the "theory" that there are tribes of gnomes living in CRTs that jump up and paint pictures on the screen very fast when you turn your TV on?

Hey, don't you go dissin' my little television gnomes. I have enough trouble with them right now when they forget what they're doing in the middle of a painting. Sure, my boyfriend tries to tell me it has something to do with magical "satellites" that float in the "sky" and send us invisible "digital feeds," but why should his theory be valorized over my faith in the painterly gnomes?



#22871: pough — 04/24  at  11:16 AM
I like that when I went to Dave Eaton's article, the picture with it was of a man licking a frozen pole and getting his tongue stuck. There was a caption reading, "People do stupid things". It was a little bit disappointing when the text changed to something about phone bills and I realized it was just an ad.



#22879: — 04/24  at  11:35 AM
Unfortunately, it's worse
than you've stated: only 9%
know what a molecule is, and
only 21% know what DNA is.



#22880: charlie wagner — 04/24  at  11:35 AM
Paul wrote:
"Microevolution is a fact; it happened and is happening. There is debate within the scientific community on details of mechanisms and relative importance of various processes. Macroevolution is also a fact. It happened and is happening. The scientific community is in virtually 100% agreement on both processes going on, and they are both analogous in the unanimity of support and the continuing research into their precise mechanisms. Macroevolution is not a concept that undermines evolutionary thinking."

Yes, but what scientists fail to do is establish a nexus between these two phenomena and demonstrate that macroevolution is a sequelae of microevolution. Microevolution can be explained by mutation and natural selection or by other unguided processes but macroevolution, the emergence of highly organized systems and processes, cannot. It can only be explained by invoking intelligent input.
In short, a lot of microevolution does not macroevolution make.



#22884: Eva Young — 04/24  at  11:58 AM
Lolol, PZ, you did exactly what I was hoping for to Eaton's drivel.

I had the opportunity to meet Eaton when I debated Bachmann on KKMS on Joyce Harley's show. Eaton seems like a nice enough guy - and he admitted to supporting creationism when I talked with him. Minnetonka is a moderate area - not a fundie area - so hopefully Eaton can be defeated in the next school board election.

It's worth noting that Bill Harley - Joyce's husband - disagrees with intelligent design creationists - he says the evidence for the age of the earth and evolution is very substantial - and disagrees with the so-called "christian" conservatives - for these anti-science views. Bill lobbys with Tom Prichard at the Minnesota Family Council (mostly an anti-gay organization, but they also push creationism).

You might want to encourage people to call and write the Star Tribune Readers representative about putting creationist drivel on their opinion page in order to "balance" the so called "debate" over evolution.



#22885: Craig — 04/24  at  12:14 PM
Yes, but you don't understand! It's OK to lie and mislead in order to get religion back into our lives, because without religion there is no morality!



#22890: Eva Young — 04/24  at  12:54 PM
I'd encourage all readers of this blog to watch and find out when Eaton is up for reelection to Minnetonka School Board. He should be defeated in the next election.

The way creationists get on school boards is they run stealth campaigns. Exposing creationists - and defeating them in school board elections is a huge job, but is necessary if we want to have good science education in Minnesota.

Dump Eaton!



#22896: Buridan — 04/24  at  01:32 PM
DaveScot you've been misled from day one. You're the poster child for the misled. You're misleading ways are legion. If only you could recognize the true source of your misleadings, you wouldn’t need to misattribute your personal and “intellectual” shortcomings to others. The world will remain an enigma for cognitive misfits like yourself. It’s a shame you must suffer here on this hostile planet of ours. Don’t worry Dave, I’m sure the Rapture is coming soon – we can only hope. God Bless.



#22900: Orac — 04/24  at  02:34 PM
It really irritates me when ID creationists pull out the "microevolution" vs. "macroevolution' canard. They really are essentially the same thing; certainly they involve the same processes (also, see here).

--
Orac “A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”
http://oracknows.blogspot.com



#22901: — 04/24  at  02:41 PM
"Yes, but what scientists fail to do is establish a nexus between these two phenomena and demonstrate that macroevolution is a sequelae of microevolution."

The following from TalkOrigins.org will hopefully begin to show you that such is not the case:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/



#22919: coturnix — 04/24  at  05:55 PM
"Yes, but what scientists fail to do is establish a nexus between these two phenomena and demonstrate that macroevolution is a sequelae of microevolution."


Actually, scientists have established this nexus long ago. It is ID Creationists that either do not know, or do not want to know, or do not admit to know this.



#22935: Phoenix Woman — 04/24  at  09:29 PM
My letters were all way too long, but I'll keep trying!

The thing to emphasize is that ID is the creationists'
way of getting around the fact that court after court has ruled that since creationism is a religious belief and not an actual science, it cannot be taught as science in public schools. Emphasize that the same people who back creationism also back ID, and use the same arguments -- all of which are refuted here.

My favorite creationist canard is the "evolution is racist" one, since the first people to oppose Darwin's theories were none other than the hard-boiled racists. Note also that opposition to Darwin is and has always been strongest in the South, where the same churches that upheld Jim Crow also fought to keep Negroes down.



's avatar #22938: — 04/24  at  11:10 PM
"many scientists now question the mechanism generating the large amount of change required to account for the completely novel organs or body plans that suddenly emerge in the fossil record." Are there any scientists proposing that novel organs etc. were planted by God or some supernatural intelligence? Not that I know. Creationists live in a mental world of doctrines and eternal truth, they interprete scientific debate as doubt and feebleness of the whole scientific structure. For the creationist mind, the discovery of a new fossil is like the apparition of a new parable of Jesus predicting the coming of the prophet Mohammed. Novelty is destructive, unconceivable.

Quod natura non sunt turpia



#22974: — 04/25  at  08:22 AM
Did Dave drag the MN science standards into it again? I'm not feeling well today or I'd read Eaton's screed myself.



#22979: — 04/25  at  09:44 AM
Yes, he did.

from the article:

Minnesota's new science standard requires that students "will be able to explain how scientific and technological innovations as well as new evidence can challenge portions of or entire accepted theories and models including but not limited to ... [the] theory of evolution."

We also should not ignore the guidance provided in the report language of the federal No Child Left Behind Act, which urges adoption of a science curriculum that "help[s] students to understand the full range of scientific views that exist" about controversial subjects "such as biological evolution."

Recently, high school biology teachers in the state have started teaching their students how scientists critically analyze Darwin's theory of evolution. It is clear that the scientific strengths and weaknesses for Darwin's theory can be presented in a way that does not require the science teacher to cross over into religious or philosophical grounds.



#22983: — 04/25  at  09:52 AM
Damn it. Now I'm going to have to write a reply.



#22986: — 04/25  at  10:21 AM
"Painterly gnomes": guess you haven't read Terry Pratchett's Moving Pictures yet.

(Of course, in Pratchett's universe, the world is flat, and supported by four elephants, which in turn are borne by an enormous turtle.)



#22989: — 04/25  at  10:51 AM
Yes, but the Discworld at least rotates. I don't think flat earthers claim that about the Earth.

Just read Eugenie C. Scott's Evolution vs. Creationism - an introduction, and from what she wrote, the International Flat Earth Research Society is/was actually serious. I've always though that it was a joke. It still is of course, but an unintentional one.



#22996: — 04/25  at  11:54 AM
Some axolotl-babies. It's really facinating how the young ones just look like little fish with... feet. smile

'Frogs' with gills.


From page:

http://www.gregor-online.de/thmovie/Mpeg's.html

these babies:

http://www.gregor-online.de/thmovie/MOV02545.MPG
http://www.gregor-online.de/thmovie/MOV02729.MPG
http://www.gregor-online.de/thmovie/MOV02757.MPG
http://www.gregor-online.de/thmovie/MOV02770.MPG

Awww... :D

- v



#23002: — 04/25  at  12:33 PM
Sorry, it's a mammalian prejudice but the Hunden are cuter (go to the first link).



#23061: — 04/25  at  11:51 PM
Sure, they should teach students how scientists continue to critically analyze evolutionary theory. They should learn about the differing views on the idea of multi-level selection and the "units of selection" problem. Sympatric speciation was once thought impossible, and a review of the history of the idea would teach them not only about biology, but would also provide a valuable lesson in how scientists modify and refine their theories.



#23103: — 04/26  at  12:47 PM
I'm sure you don't need yet another example of a creationist/id freak trying to use big words to sound like a scientist...but Charlie, sequelae? Here's the American Heritage Dictionary: something that follows, esp. a pathological condition resulting from a disease. sigh. I guess it's the old silk purse/sow's ear thing eh?



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