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Thursday, July 21, 2005

Books! For me!

It is a good day.

I just went down to my mailbox, and discovered that Greenwood Publishing Group had sent me free copies of Mark Isaak's The Counter-Creationism Handbook and Eugenie Scott's Evolution vs. Creationism : An Introduction.

Wow.

That first one is an indispensable reference work. If you've seen the web page, you know what it is like—long lists of creationist fallacies, all well indexed, with neat, short, referenced refutations. I will never, ever go to another creationist lecture without this book in my hands. This is what we've needed for a long time; if you've ever attended a creationist talk, you know that what they do is simply parrot the same old garbage as quickly as possible—the one talent required for a creationist is to be able to lie really, really fast. This is a book that'll help us spit out the truth almost as rapidly.

I've only just started Scott's book, but I can say that it is well-written and also well-sourced. It looks to be a solid introduction to the issues in the war against science in which the creationists are engaged. I'll write more when I've finished it.


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Comments:
#32548: — 07/21  at  12:59 PM
I think that the creationists should use Isaak's book. Just like the old saw about numbering jokes in the prison, they can simply refer to Mark's numbers when they bring up a claim. Could shorten their talks to 5 minutes or so...



's avatar #32554: — 07/21  at  01:38 PM
$65!? Ouch. Think I'll pass on that. Not many creationists in these parts, anyway. (Just Islamist suicide bombers... incompetent ones, praise Allah!)



's avatar #32556: PZ Myers — 07/21  at  01:44 PM
The letter with the books explains that these editions are for library reference shelves, hence the steep price--they're intended to hold up well for a long time under heavy use.

For lighter, less frequent creationist smashing, I hope they come out with mass-market paperback editions.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#32572: coturnix — 07/21  at  04:40 PM
More on the YEC conference:
http://www.reason.com/rb/rb072005.shtml



#32593: — 07/21  at  08:44 PM
I look forward to the stone tablet smash & bash version. This is after all what we contend with.



#32595: — 07/21  at  09:12 PM
The book is a bit pricey at $65... I was hoping more towards $20.

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#32601: — 07/22  at  02:28 AM
How about a voice recognition computerised book, which looks up the creationist falsehood and corresponding scientific evidence as refutation automatically. Actually, for humour value, some sort of punch card robot system would be better. If one could wheel it into ID/creationist conferences and get it to select the right card from some button selections of the most common creationist buzzword concepts, that would illustrate quite graphically how old, tired and predictably wrong the creationists and the ideas they laughably call arguments are.



#32606: — 07/22  at  06:45 AM
Greenwood Press is ALWAYS expensive. For them, $65.00 is almost a paperback. I've seen some of their normal-sized books at conferences going for well about $100.00. They publish some damn good books though. I have some of their reference books on my shelf at work....



#32623: Glenn Branch — 07/22  at  10:23 AM
"For lighter, less frequent creationist smashing, I hope they come out with mass-market paperback editions." Scott's Evolution vs. Creationism: An Introduction is forthcoming in paperback from the University of California Press: ISBN 0-520-24650-0.



#32676: — 07/23  at  03:36 AM
I read one of Scott's other books, and wasn't too impressed with the writing, so I'll definitely wait for the U of California Press edition. Isaak's book I might just have to buy straight away. Given the basic worthlessness of the dollar, it's not too bad a price (Danish books are redicullously expensive).



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