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Sunday, November 13, 2005

Carnival of the Godless #27

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A funny thing happened on the way to assembling the Carnival of the Godless this week. I had an idea for how to organize it, but as I sat down on the plane (the CotG this week was written as I floated miles above the earth, giving me an almost godlike perspective, as I assured myself) and started splicing everything together, I discovered that the submissions did not fit my planned structure. "How dare you," I thought to myself, "you have all ruined my scheme."

Here it is anyway…you see, I'd thought that I would balance the yin and yang of atheism: on one side, the ungodly would rail against the unreason and oppression of living in a religious society; on the other, we'd have the affirmations, the positive assertions of what it means to be a freethinker. Both are important. I know I do more than my share of scowling at the idiots on the religious side, and I think we need to do our part to point out the insanity of so many religiously dogmatic positions. But we also need to show the benevolent reasons for secularism, humanism, and atheism.

Alas, the godless seem to be living a life out of balance.


About Atheism :: Objectification and Evangelization (Book Notes: Rapture Culture):

Few evangelicals understand how they come off to those they are attempting to evangelize; fewer still appear to care. This would appear to be a contradictory attitude: they act like they evangelize because they care, but if they really cared then they would not want to appear to be treating others like objects.

The apparent contradiction is thought to be resolved because evangelical Christians imagine themselves to be superior to others in the sense of having access to privileged information.

Hitler & Christian Anti-Communism (Book Notes: The Hitler Myth):

German nationalism was predicated on German Christianity, a Christianity in which religious doctrine and German “character” were to tightly interwoven as to be almost indistinguishable. Nazi socialism was distinguished from the more prevalent forms of socialism in that it was Christian and based upon Christian principles whereas the others were atheistic and therefore lacked a foundation of Christian values — not to mention German-ness.

Christian Nationalism: War Theology in Weimar Germany (Book Notes: The Holy Reich):

Christianity is proclaimed by its adherents as a religion of peace which transcends national borders in a manner that unites humanity. The reality, though, is that Christianity has been deeply involved not only with ideologies of nationalism, but also ideologies of war and violence. It's happened before and it could happen again.

Goose the Antithesis :: Moral projection in Christianity part 1 and Goose the Antithesis part 2:

As I hope you all know, projection is a common defense mechanism in cult-think, and Christianity is no exception. In fact, monotheistic religions seem to engender an inordinate amount of projection. Everything that Christians use to criticize their opponents is in fact a flaw of their own belief system.

Disproving the belief in consilience:

So how can the Christian religion possibly create a good context for science ? No, we have to maintain the hope of understanding reality and improving the human condition. Everything else is pointless and futile, including the Christian worldview. With God, there is only epistemic anxiety, moral conflict and a meaningless divine plan left for us. That's a worldview of despair, not science. Only diversity of thought, freethought, empiricism and atheism justify the rise of science.

Superlicious :: Catholic to Atheist in 2.5 Months:

That is, until one October (or maybe it was early November) night last year. I randomly googled ‘boy scouts evil’. I wound up at http://stupidevilbastard.com/, wherein the author talked about the boy scouts discriminating against atheists. Then it hit me: people who called themselves Christians, like I did myself, were total assholes.

UberKuh :: Is-Ought:

How does one get "ought" from "is" if "is" is all there is? Some philosophically educated theists ask this question of atheists. That is, how does one create a moral standard from reality if reality does not already contain one? Or, if nature is all that exists, then what tells nature how to act?

Braishrub.com :: Poe's "The Tell-Tale Heart" illustrates possible reason why fundamentalist Christians dread Halloween.:

No wonder fundamentalists dread Halloween so much! To radical Christians, this holiday subconsciously forces them to face up to their worst fears that someday another belief-system might do unto them what they did unto others.

Evangelical Atheist :: Heaven House:

I’m sure all or most of you have heard about hell houses. Come Halloween, some of the crazier Christian churches throughout the United States borrow the concept of the classic haunted house and twist it into one of the sickest evangelical tools since the Inquisition. Instead of ghosts and goblins, hell houses depict graphic scenes of sin and damnation, focusing on such topics as abortion, homosexuality, fornication and the occult. Generally speaking, hell houses end with a vision of heaven, and the visitor is given a choice of whether or not to accept Christ into his life. In honor of All Hallows Eve, Samhain or whatever else you want to call it, I thought it might be fun to take you on a little tour of an atheist version. I give you… Heaven House! Muah ha ha haaa!

The skwib :: The Lost PowerPoint Slides (Age of the Universe Edition):

  • So, first day of Creation was October 23, 4004 BC.
  • That means Great Flood was 2348 BC.
  • If only we could get this included in King James version of the Bible, then everyone would know it.

Excelsior :: Sunday School:

A recent post at Kingdom of Heathen found me digging up a cheat sheet I compiled a while ago about the Bible's view on women. Christian feminists, this is for you.

Look out, it's evil! :: Nothing Doesn't Work Like Prayer:

Just when you think that Americans can't possibly detach themselves any more from reality, something comes along that knocks your entire worldview on its head. The other night I saw a bumper sticker on the back of a van: "Pray for Our Troops—Operation Prayer Shield." All I could think of at the time was, "Woohoo—great job so far, guys! Keep up the good work!" No rational person could doubt that Operation Prayer Shield has been an unmitigated success from day one—almost as effective as, say, the Iraq War has been in protecting the world from terrorism.

The Huge Entity :: Mu Haiku: The Intelligent Designer's Mistake Motivation:

So this week's Mu Haiku mission, should you choose to accept it, is to ponder the evidence some more. Why did The Intelligent One make so many 'mistakes'?

kinselection :: In vitro fertilization is murder:

Now, if one believes that embryos are human beings, deserving of most if not all rights a human being should have, then one should oppose in-vitro fertilization even more than one opposes stem cell research or abortion – each and every in-vitro fertilization means not one dead baby, but more than a dozen! This is without even mentioning the hundreds of thousands of spontaneous abortions (i.e. miscarriages) that occur every year; a quick Google search turns up no results for research to end them under normal circumstances (it’s true that people are researching, for example, the effects of pesticide exposure and incidence of spontaneous abortion). It is distressing indeed that so many deaths seem to have escaped the notice of “pro-life” activists.

Skeptico :: Terrell Owens – what’s God trying to say now?:

Back in February I reported how pro footballer Terrell Owens, who broke his leg in December, was OK to play in the Super Bowl only seven weeks after surgery. Owens claimed his recovery was part of God’s plan to give him an even bigger platform during Super Bowl week than he otherwise would have had, thus proving God's greatness.

Jesus’ love alive in Mexico:

But only if you follow the right Jesus. Following the wrong Jesus will get you thrown out of your home.

Frank's Atheistic Ramblings :: We are more alike than you know:

For both atheists and theist, there is a tendency to stick to your own kind. You mostly read blogs about atheism or your respective theism. You occasionally venture over to the other side but only to disagree with them and point out how they are wrong.

The Daily Transcript :: More Data on Religion and Behavior:

So religious belief does not prevent you from committing a crime, committing suicide or dying early. It does make your teenage daughter more likely to get pregnant. In addition the more religious a society is, the more likely that a childbearing woman gets an abortion. And if the child is not aborted, it has an increased chance of dieing before the age of five. Perhaps increased religiosity results in a lack of education, especially for women? Or perhaps religion tends to antagonize woman's rights?

No More Mr. Nice Guy! :: Halloweenies:

You know, half the world's problems (or some huge portion of them at any rate) are due to the instinctive fear and loathing Christians feel for everything they don't understand, which is just about everything, their insistence on equating everything outside their narrow little circle with evil and Satanism, and their projection of their own twisted hang-ups onto everyone else.

Back To The Woom :: Rejuvenating atheism:

Against this trend, today's atheists need to reassert the optimism of the classical atheists. Contemporary atheism is all too often understood as (to quote the Daily Show's Stephen Colbert) "the religion devoted to the worship of one's own smug sense of superiority." This is fine -- intellectual superiority is certainly a huge benefit -- but it's not enough to give atheism popular appeal. Frankly, atheism has a lot more going for it than simply intellectual coherencee -- and these aspects are underemphasized.

Pooflingers Anonymous :: Comment Poo:

Who says I'm an atheist? Accepting that science works and that evolution is the most likely vehicle to explain the diversity of life on our little speck of dust doesn't mean I have to be an atheist. I simply don't believe in the same thing as you do. I lost my faith in man's interpretation of God long ago and found my own way... a way that keeps me intellectually and spiritually fulfilled. If that is unpalatable to you, I am sorry.



Don't interpret this as suggesting that the posts on the right are somehow better than those on the left; I don't think that at all, and I enjoyed all of these articles. I would suggest, though, that we're failing to communicate a significant aspect of what it means to be godless, and we're not getting the case for atheism across.

The next edition will be at The Evangelical Atheist on 27 November. I'd like to propose a challenge to the freethought community: for every link you send in to cotg-host@brentrasmussen.com that mocks the foolishness and futility of religion, I'd also like all of the submitters to write one post that doesn't reference religion at all, that highlights the virtues of godlessness, and send that in as well. The next host is under no obligation to heed this challenge, of course, but it would be grand if the next edition were flooded with glorious tales of the righteously secular, rather than only tawdry complaints about the damnably credulous.

Think of it as a writing exercise. One that would be good for us all.


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Comments:
#48558: Danieru — 11/13  at  08:24 PM
I think that 'atheism' as a standalone concept is impossible. I don't believe in santa clause, but in order to justify that I don't need a name for that absence of belief, its just a state of mind that I have never slipped into (at least since i was 6 years old). In the same way giving a name to my lack of belief in God seems ridiculous. Writing about atheism means appealing to the religious community, using them and their ideas as the backboard to your opinion. If I was to write about my world view without concering myself with the opposit stance, however in depth and responsive to my feelings about reality it was, I would never step close to being a sceptic. I need theism in order to understand atheism, and I can't very well write about one without appealing to the other.

Its a danger that godless articles that do not mention the concept of atheism will verge on the mystical and pointless, the very thing we are trying to superpose. Atheism only persists because the religious community can't understand a world without God. We need to examine this contrast in realities to futher our 'cause' and when mutual ground has been uncovered THEN we can start voiding out atheism altogether.



's avatar #48559: PZ Myers — 11/13  at  08:34 PM
I disagree! It's about celebrating and appreciating the natural world, rather than old myths and imaginary rules--I'm sure we can write about life, the universe, and everything without any gods. Without even saying without any gods.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#48562: Danieru — 11/13  at  10:00 PM
that's what happens in science journals across the land! not mentioning god is just plain old science, not a carnival about godlessness itself. there has to be something to distiniguish these posts from straight edge rational / natural analysis (however enlightening and enriching it often is).



#48563: tng — 11/13  at  10:10 PM
I tend to agree with PZ Myers. It's one of the things I'd like to emphasize at my site. Obviously we haven't been very successful yet. And it's hard. One of the things I hate so much about this culture war the fundamentalists have waged the past couple of decades is that they've been slowly turning every subject into some slight against their religion or sought to impose their religion on everyone else at every turn. And us atheists in turn have (quite naturally) come out swinging. We need to move beyond that because this constant battling of the religious and the areligious cheapens society and makes it ugly. That doesn't mean surrendering to the fundamentalists that would erode secular society, but for our own sake we need to end the culture war. I'd hope that as champions of reason and tolerance that atheists and agnostics can lead by example.



#48566: Danieru — 11/13  at  10:26 PM
I do respect the naturalistic movement ( the-brights.net comes to mind ) and would consider myself a part of it (however small), but often times science and philosophical understanding has sat by and watched as the emotive driven charms of the religious right have washed away their prospective audience.

Emotion drives change, and theists know this. Drawing balanced opinions in order to educate people as to your position is respectful and progressive in the right circles of enquiry, but if you want to attract the attention of a new audience, if you really want to reshuffle people's perspectives you need to hit where it hurts.

Phenomenologically inferred belief is incredibly difficult to erode away with naturalistic rationality. They are divergent positions from completely different realities.



#48568: I Am — 11/13  at  10:55 PM
If I'm provided with appropriate material, I will accept your challenge. In fact, I think it's such a good idea that I'll forgive you for doubling my workload in hosting the next carnival. smile



#48577: — 11/14  at  12:04 AM
PZ: To be ironic, thanks for posting those observations from various answers to Voltaire's prayer.

I especially liked "Nazi socialism was distinguished from the more prevalent forms of socialism in that it was Christian and based upon Christian principles whereas the others were atheistic and therefore lacked a foundation of Christian values — not to mention German-ness." which nicely ignores that the Nazis looked to paganism (their own fantasy version of it, I'm not meaning to offend real pagans) for their ideals and it was only expedience that had dealing with (i.e. eliminating) the Christian churces put off until after the war. It was that same expedience behind appealing to Christians as a defence against avowedly atheist Communism. And speaking of Communism, the communism that was in play in Weimar Germany wasn't a soft communalist communism (such as that of the early apostles) but soviet communism hugely influenced by the USSR. The record of that avowedly atheist system is not encouraging and their atheism wasn't a con-job like the Nazis pulled on Christians in Germany (all of which is to say that evil folk can find a home in many systems). Austin Cline seems to be exhibiting an almost creationist selectivity there. BTW, I recently read Hitler: 1936-1945: Nemesis (Kershaw) and Weinberg's 'A World at Arms'. It certainly wasn't obvious in either of those two rather magisterial works that Nazism was imbued with Christian principles.



#48582: tng — 11/14  at  01:37 AM
Danieru wrote, "Phenomenologically inferred belief is incredibly difficult to erode away with naturalistic rationality. They are divergent positions from completely different realities."

I would concur, but I think we have to try. I also think that in the end we'll win out. We have a better benefits package.



#48645: IAMB — 11/14  at  12:48 PM
I just now stopped by for a visit and noticed that I'm on the "nice" side of the list. I've gotta work on that...



Trackback: Did you think we forgot? Time for the 27th Carnival of the Godless! Tracked on: Neural Gourmet (207.44.240.10) at 2005 11 13 21:55:37
View larger imageAh, another alternate Sunday evening, a time for peace and reflection on what’s really important in our lives… Yeah! Right! All the cool atheists know it’s time to read the 27th Carnival of the Godless. So, head on over



Trackback: Carnival of the Godless #27 Tracked on: The Huge Entity (72.9.234.70) at 2005 11 13 22:13:48
It's time to rejoice in your inadequacies as a spiritual being!



Trackback: Carnival of the Godless #27 Tracked on: The Two Percent Company's Rants (67.18.141.194) at 2005 11 13 22:57:30
The twenty seventh edition of the Carnival of the Godless was posted earlier today at Pharungyla. Go, read, learn. We do want to take a moment to point out something that PZ mentioned, and a request he made: ...you see, I'd...



Trackback: A worthwhile challenge from PZ Myers Tracked on: Neural Gourmet (207.44.240.10) at 2005 11 14 02:30:21
If you’ve read this week’s Carnival of the Godless you’ve already seen this, but I felt PZ Myers’ comments deserved to be highlighted. In preparing this edition of the CotG, PZ wanted to: …balance the yin and yang of atheism:



Trackback: Blog Carnival index: Carnival of the Godless #27 Tracked on: Blog Carnival (82.165.239.114) at 2005 11 14 07:21:46
CARNIVAL OF THE GODLESS is now up at Pharyngula!



#48694: Mad Scientist — 11/14  at  06:22 PM
Hmm - my post was also on "the dark side".

OK here is a "bright side" addendum to my entry:

Many religious conservatives equate atheism with immorality. Is this true? Well this study (commented on my post) supports the idea that atheists are just as moral as religious people (and even more so).

Gosh darn, it's great to be an atheist!



Trackback: Tuesday Carnivals Tracked on: The Skwib -- an irregular and explosive weblog (72.9.234.70) at 2005 11 15 12:25:17
And I know I linked to it yesterday too, but don’t forget about that damned Carnival of the Godless. Atheism. Mmmm.



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