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Thursday, February 17, 2005

Creationist Confusion about pharyngeal homologies

Echoed on the Panda's Thumb

Creationists come up with the weirdest criticisms. Serge at Imago Dei disagrees with my claim that humans build their face using "the same embryonic foundation that fish use to build gills", calling them "pharyngeal phantasies". He bases this on the peculiar notion that there ought to be a simple one-to-one mapping of cranial nerves to pharyngeal arches, and that by his understanding of the arrangement, the cranial nerve that innervate the derivatives of the first pharyngeal arch in us (the trigeminal nerve) ought to innervate the first gill arch in teleosts.

These are both false assumptions. I'll explain why.

While you can try to memorize cranial nerve targets by associating them in order with pharyngeal derivatives, the rule only works for a few arches and breaks down just about everywhere else. I can sympathize a bit with the idea that it sure would be tidy if CNS structure were tightly segmented and in clean register with peripheral segmentation, though. I did my graduate work in Chuck Kimmel's lab at the University of Oregon, at the time when we were just figuring out the segmental organization of the zebrafish hindbrain, and my graduate work was on spinal innervation of the somitic musculature, which does have a simple organization. But I'm afraid it just doesn't work out that nicely cranially—heads are peculiar and convoluted. Anyway, here's a piece from a paper my grad advisor wrote on fish segmentation:

The segments of the CNS and the mesoderm can be related to one another by considering the patterns of motor innervation. For the spinal myotomal segments of the trunk and tail this relationship is simple and direct: the single set of primary motoneurones present in each segment in the spinal cord projects through a single ventral root and their synapses are restricted to the immediately overlying myotome. [shoot…there's half my thesis summarized in a single sentence—pzm]

In the head pharyngeal region, there does not appear to be a simple 1:1 relationship between the series of hindbrain neuromeres and the pharyngeal arches, although the pattern of innervation is not completely known. Motor nuclei present in some of the hindbrain segments, including the first segment and two located more caudally, do not supply the pharyngeal arches at all, but project to the extrinsic eye muscles. If relationships that have been well shown for other teleosts hold for the zebrafish, then two motor nuclei (of nerve V) supply the first, or mandibular, pharyngeal arch and two motor nuclei (of nerve VII) supply the second or hyoid arch.

There's more detail, but Chuck concludes,

…the 'segmental' pattern of innervation of the gills is not one in which a single arch is innervated by motoneurones derived from a single neural segment of the embryo.

So one assumption by Serge is faulty; the first quote above also demolishes his other assumption. He claims that consistency would demand that nerves that innervate the first pharyngeal derivative in us should innervate the first gill in fish. That's nonsense. Teleosts are jawed vertebrates, like us, and have jaws and hyoids that ought to be innervated in the same pattern as the jaws and hyoids of humans. And they are. We do not expect cranial nerves V and VII to innervate gills, but instead the homologous structures in fish derived from the first pharyngeal arches. Just as they do in us.

These facts have already been pointed out to Serge, but he doesn't seem to comprehend them. He's now requesting evidence that each gill is innervated by a different cranial nerve (which just doesn't make sense, isn't predicted by homology, and isn't expected), and doesn't think much of the homologies between first and second pharyngeal arch derivatives between fish and people.

Evidence of both of these may exist, and I'd be interested in it. We often here of how the pharyngeal arches "look like gills", but I find the distribution of the cranial nerves are far more interesting.

I suspect that the only reason he finds that more interesting is that, as he admits, he doesn't know much about fish cranial nerves (and didn't even like head and neck embryology in his training!), so he can more easily imagine that they contradict evolutionary expectations. But OK, if he's sincerely interested in cranial nerve distribution, here ya go. This is a table I consolidated from two comparative anatomy dissection guides, one on the shark and the other on the cat.

Cranial nerve Function/projection in fish Function/projection in mammals
1—olfactory Sensory. From olfactory bulb to olfactory epithelium. Sensory. Form olfactory bulb to olfactory mucosa.
2—optic Sensory. From optic chiasm to retina. Sensory. From optic chiasm to retina.
3—oculomotor Motor. From floor of mesencephalon to superior rectus, medial rectus, inferior rectus, inferior oblique; to smooth muscles of iris and ciliary body. Motor. From cerebral peduncle to levator palpebrae, superior rectus, medial rectus, inferior rectus, and inferior oblique.
4—trochlear Motor. From roof of mesencephalon to superior oblique. Motor. Form dorsal surface of brain stem to superior oblique.
5—trigeminal Mixed. From medulla, arising in common with 7 and 8. Sensory to skin of head. Motor to muscles of first gill arch. Mixed. From lateral surface of pons. 3 branches:
1. Opthalmic. Sensory, to eye, forehead, and nose.
2. Maxillary. Sensory, to palate, upper teeth and lip, forehead, and cheek.
3. Mandibular. Sensory to ear, cheek, jaw, tongue, and mouth; motor to muscles of mastication.
6—abducens Motor. From medulla to lateral rectus. Motor. From medulla to lateral rectus and retractor oculi.
7—facial Mixed. From medulla, arising in common with 5 and 8. Sensory to lateral line of head, ampullae of Lorenzini, and mouth. Motor to muscles of second gill arch. Mixed. From pons. Motor to muscles of head; sensory to lingual mucosa.
8—auditory Sensory. From medulla, arising in common with 5 and 7, to sensory areas of membranous labyrinth. Sensory. From medulla to membranous labyrinth.
9—glossopharyngeal Mixed. From medulla. Sensory to lateral line, first gill pouch, and pharynx. Motor to muscles of third gill arch. Mixed. From medulla. Sensory to tongue and pharyngeal mucosa; motor to pharyngeal muscles.
10—vagus Mixed. From medulla. Sensory to mouth, gill pouches 2-5, and lateral line. Motor to muscles of gill arches 4-7 and cucullaris. Mixed to heart and anterior part of alimentary canal. Mixed. From medulla. Sensory to external ear and laryngeal mucosa. Motor to muscles of pharynx and larynx. Mixed to heart, lungs, and abdominal viscera.

Gosh, cranial nerve distributions are nearly identical in fish and mammals! There are some interesting differences—cats lack lateral lines and gills, of course, and they are separated by several hundred million years of evoluton—but overall, the similarities are overwhelming.

Alas, poor Serge. He has made three conceptual errors that are trivially refuted, with 20-30 year old sources, no less.

  • His naive expectation that there'd be a one-to-one correspondence between cranial nerves and pharyngeal arches is mistaken. We don't see such a thing, nor do we expect such a thing.
  • He has the homologies of the pharyngeal arch derivatives out of register. Cranial nerve V does not innervate the first gill, and evolutionary homologies would predict that it shouldn't innervate the gill.
  • If he thinks the anatomical and functional correlations of the cranial nerves between fish and tetrapods support a creationist model, well, then he should be persuaded otherwise. They line up very, very well, and reflect common descent.

I strongly recommend that he pay more attention to that boring head and neck embryology stuff if he wants to argue about it in the future.


Kimmel CB, Sepich DS, Trevarrow B (1988) Development of segmentation in zebrafish. Development Suppl. 104:197-208.

Gilbert SG (1975) Pictorial anatomy of the cat. University of Washington Press.

Gilbert SG (1975) Pictorial anatomy of the dogfish. University of Washington Press.


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Comments:
#16293: RH Stephens — 02/17  at  02:57 PM
His naive expectation that there’d be a one-to-one correspondence between cranial nerves and pharyngeal arches is mistaken. We don’t see such a thing, nor do we expect such a thing.

Perhaps, you're missing the point. From his point of view, if it was designed, there would obviously be a one-to-one correspondence. As you describe it, the organization does not appear to be designed, but is more ad hoc - random. No 1:1 correspondences ... except, of course, between sharks and cats and all the other fishes and mammals, as you point out ... all suffering from the same lineage and less than tidy organization.

Nice goin' PZ. ID practitioners say the “we can recognize the difference between design and natural.” You have proven, single-handedly, that the results of evolution are complex and maybe even bazaar ... but definitely not designed. What more proof for a lack of design would you want.



#16296: — 02/17  at  03:19 PM
RH,
I think we need to be careful in the creationist&ID v. evoution&natural selection debate not to claim that we are 'disproving' design. One of the major problems with ID is that it is *not* disprovable. It is untestable. Ergo, not scientific, not part of a comprehensive scientific curriculum, etc.
It's true that we personally might expect a designed organism to make sense to us, but it isn't necessary for design to have occurred. The Intelligence behind Intelligent Design (aka "God") works in mysterious ways, doncha know... smile

Now, specific concepts in ID might be disprovable, such as Behe's claim that the bacterial flagellum was composed of parts which were completely nonfuctional in any context. But the larger ID argument cannot be refuted.



#16297: — 02/17  at  03:20 PM
I slithered over to Rusty's blog, I don't think we have much to fear intellectually from the IDer's. The arguments are so full of holes dressed up in words that would confound the nonscience folks.

What they never say is how anything occured. Of course other than God did it. And when they do explain anything it sounds and looks like naturalism. Which of course they will deny, but it's true nontheless.

His posts on how the bible doesn't have moral relativism are particuarlly funny. I could respect that stuff more if he was at least honest.



#16306: — 02/17  at  04:26 PM
Uber

"What they never say is how anything occured."

That's right. Big Bill Dembski has admitted "ID is not a mechanistic theory."

What kind of theory is it then?

Answer: a bogus and useless theory.

The only prediction of "ID theory" is that science will never be able to explain everything about life on earth. Of course, scientists know that they will never be able to explain everything about any field which they choose to study. THat's what makes science so fucking fun.



's avatar #16310: Ben — 02/17  at  06:19 PM
Correction: a bogus and useless hypothesis.

"The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them." --Thomas Edison.



#16318: coturnix — 02/17  at  11:10 PM
It will be interesting to follow Brandon's (of "Siris") impending series on Darwin's argument. The Intro post is here:
http://branemrys.blogspot.com/2005/02/on-mistaken-impression.html
This may turn into and interesting debate...



#16319: coturnix — 02/17  at  11:13 PM
BTW, PZ (or others), my students always tell me that there exists, but they are too embarassed to tell me, a very dirty/naughty mnemonic device for memorizing the order of cranial nerves. I remember them primarily because I taught them several times, but a cool mnemonic is always helpful. If the blog is not an appropriate place to post it, send me an e-mail....



#16321: — 02/17  at  11:52 PM
Hmmm. I'm kinda fond of the vagus nerve in giraffes, myself, and I hope, PZ, you or some other expert in finny and gilled critters can explain it to me in something reasonably close to English.

In fishes, there are nerves from the brain that loop through some of the blood vessels that run betwen the gill slits. Two of these survive in mammals, I understand. And in giraffes, it gets weird.

Berry and Hallam describe it in The Encyclopedia of Animal Evolution:
Only two of these branches remain in mammals, as the anterior and recurrent laryngeal nerves, connecting the brain to the larynx. However, the recurrent laryngeal nerve still loops round the remnant of the 6th arterial arch, now know as the ductus arteriosus; so from the brain to the larynx the nerve runs down the neck, round the ductus and back up the neck. This nerve is far longer than it needs be to connect the brain and the larynx. It the giraffe the nerve is about 4.5m (15ft) long.


Doesn't that rather strongly reflect common descent, instead of stupid design?



#16322: lloydletta — 02/17  at  11:57 PM
Great takedown of this idiot.



#16324: — 02/18  at  03:30 AM
coturnix,
oh oh oh to touch and feel a gentle virgin. such heaven!
s=spinal accessory
for function s=sensory, m=motor, b=both
some say marry money, but my brother says big boobs matter more

ENJOY! so glad i could be of some service.

isn't it okay to forget these things since we have the internet now anyway?



#16353: coturnix — 02/18  at  12:35 PM
Thanks, mccm, I will copy those now, though I doubt I will be able to use them in teaching wink



#16395: — 02/18  at  03:49 PM
Part of the confusion may be the description in the cranial nerve table above. CNV innervates derivatives of the 1st pharyngeal (not gill) arch in both fishes and mammals. The motor derivatives are the jaw muscles. CNVII innervates derivatives of the 2nd pharyngeal (not gill) arch in both fishes and mammals. These derivatives are the hyoid muscles, which include the muscles of facial expression in mammals.



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