#55687: Lemony — 12/30  at  08:02 AM
Wow! Cuozzo must be a legend at spotting faces in clouds. Having been to many of these caves I can attest that they are awe-inspiring, I can't say i've evr been shown these secret dinosaurs though, damned evolutionist conspiracy, I want my dionsaurs!

#55688: — 12/30  at  08:04 AM
Oh my. TeeRex melted cheese sandwiches, anyone?

#55690: — 12/30  at  08:05 AM
I came across Cuozzo's picture a year or so ago and was amazed. He could just as well call it an image of the Virgin Mary and sell it on ebay. His paranoid tale is ludicrous, and his explanation of Neanderthals and human evolution is bizaare.

#55695: decrepitoldfool — 12/30  at  08:37 AM
Native Americans made drawings that may have depicted dinosaurs. Doesn't mean they lived at the same time, only that they saw inexplicable fossil. Their drawings weren't bad considering they didn't excavate and assemble complete skeletons. Wonder why Cuozzo hasn't gone all bizarro over that? Or maybe that's another chapter.

#55699: Kristine Harley — 12/30  at  09:13 AM
Nom de Dieu! Est-ce qu'il n'est pas possible that it is just a picture of some fromage? This is France, after all.

And how does he know that a man made the "drawings?" After all, couldn't it also be space aliens or a time-traveling biologist? Maybe, in the future, time-traveling creationists will go back to the past and write on cave walls, and mess around with fossils, and plant evidence, just to make things look "designed." Hey! That's the explantion--time-traveling Intelligent Design advocates made the dino/mammoth!

#55702: decrepitoldfool — 12/30  at  09:38 AM

Maybe, in the future, time-traveling creationists will go back to the past and write on cave walls, and mess around with fossils, and plant evidence, just to make things look "designed."

I can imagine a pretty funny story in which a time-travelling creationist keeps punching back a few thousand years at a time, expecting to see dinosaurs, but becomes demoralized...

#55712: Kristine Harley — 12/30  at  10:29 AM
Plot for a movie: A vengeance-driven creationist cyborg travels to the future to prevent the birth of a biologist who would travel back in time to study evolution and gather direct evidence, in order to refute the plot of a nefarious team of ID advocates, who also plan to travel back in time in order to distort the fossil/anthropoligical record before the biologist can get there...

The cyborg chomps the IDers in the end, then is destroyed by the biologist, who, while extracting Mammoth DNA from mosquitos preserved in amber, stumbles upon the secret command to disable the cyborg: "Klaatu barada nikto..."

#55713: — 12/30  at  10:30 AM
In my dad's old apartment 25+ years ago there was a spot on the shower wall that when wet and lit properly was the spitting image of Albert Einstein.

I'm not sure what that means, but it obviously means something.

#55715: — 12/30  at  10:37 AM
There's this wonderful Far Side episode where a time travelling scientist gets eaten by a T-Rex and ends up in a museum. Would be fun if it happened to a cretinist instead...

#55717: yasunobu13 — 12/30  at  10:39 AM
Forget about cave paintings, we have photographic proff of living dinosaurs!
http://objectiveministries.org/creation/dinoexpedition.html

The evolution of the eye is interesting as well
http://objectiveministries.org/creation/eye.html

#55718: John McKay — 12/30  at  10:44 AM
A few years back, as an April Fools joke, some group of scientists in the Southwest faked a fossil tableau of a dinosaur eating a human. Somehow the pictures were picked up and spread across the internet by excited creationists. I'm sure the pictures are still popping up in e-mail with the warning that "these are the pictures that the Darwinists do NOT want you to see..."

#55720: — 12/30  at  10:55 AM
Oh boy, more creationist porn.

My wife might get a kick out of ths story though, as she has done a few faux-cave paintings with bizzaro elements like six-legged bison, flying saucers and Odin's Horse thrown in for good measure. I jokingly call them paintings from her "X-Files" period. For those who demand stinkeen' proof of such things, here it is:

#55721: — 12/30  at  10:56 AM
Is objectiveministries a satire site? The 'proof picture' shows the lower front leg of an elephant and a bit of the trunk...

And I should perhaps add out that I don't wish for bad things to happen to creationists, but if they did go back to rig the evidence said accident would add an ironic twist. If I offended anyone I oppologise.

#55723: — 12/30  at  11:15 AM
About time travel, you seem to forget that creationist believe what they believe to avoid considering time travel. A much more confortable situation.

I am really concerned by the creationists propaganda. And I wish you good luck, to you, thinking Americans. May you prevail in the end.

#55730: — 12/30  at  11:55 AM

I had never heard of a public cave with no lighting.

Perhaps this loon should visit Ape Cave, on the south flank of Mt. St. Helens -- "public" need only mean accessible to the public, not tame guided tours in flood-lit dry-foot comfort. But in the paranoid mind, that and the fact that a farmer doesn't like strangers trespassing (and possibly vandalizing) on his land proves the Great Evilutionist Conspiracy.

#55739: Kristine Harley — 12/30  at  12:24 PM
"...As an April Fools joke, some group of scientists in the Southwest faked a fossil tableau of a dinosaur eating a human."

Okay, I've got it. Let's fabricate fossils with little labels on them (in Hebrew, or Assyrian) that say, "Made by You-Know-Who" followed by the registered trademark symbol. Then, before we plant them around for creationists to find, we register "You-Know-Who" in Hebrew and Assyrian so that we can force the elated creationists to anty up every time they quote the "Message." $$$

Jerome, I'm as concerned as you are about all this twaddle, but let's just name the dino Adam, and the mammoth, Eve. Sarcasm is the weapon that we have and they don't.

#55746: — 12/30  at  01:13 PM
Of course, this was already done in Blade Runner, when Deckard ID'd who who had designed the snake with his handy-dandy home SEM.

(probably right next to his fusion-o-matic)

And in an episode of Wonderful World of Disney on the History of Animation (found in the Reluctant Dragon Disney Masterpiece) Disney opines that "six-legged" animals were early attempts at animation, or at least giving the appearance of action.

#55748: — 12/30  at  01:19 PM
Yes, objective ministries is a spoof. But it's hard to tell sometimes.

Let's fabricate fossils with little labels on them (in Hebrew, or Assyrian)...

Been done already, in the 18th century in Wurzburg.

#55752: John McKay — 12/30  at  01:52 PM
Lt. Kizhe,
Lights, ventilation, and foot traffic can also severly damage the pigments used on the cave walls. Cuozzo goes on at length about cave walls changing color after being opened to the public (probably mildew and industrial soot, but he doesn't say it) and ends up talking about cave men having infra-red vision. By then it's impossible to sort out when he's being sarcatic and what he really believes. It's a very bizzare passage.

#55763: — 12/30  at  02:50 PM
HAHA, why the hell would a dinosaur head-butt a mammoth in the first place? Maybe it was some sort of pre-mating faux battle ritual prior to mounting the prized neanderthal female? I am not lying when I say that I am starting to feel nausea and chest pain when I read or hear some of this creationist bologna. How can some of my fellow human beings be so gullible as to fall for this stuff??? Is there any hope????

#55764: — 12/30  at  03:03 PM
"Sarcasm is the weapon that we have and they don't."

Sarcasm is just one facet of the big weapon that they don't have: sense of humor.

#55771: — 12/30  at  04:23 PM
For the uninitiated, the April Fools prank John McKay is referring to above is Onyate Man.

#55780: Michael Hopkins — 12/30  at  07:34 PM
Don'f forget the ICR people falling for Discover Magazine's April Fools joke.

#55793: — 12/31  at  05:20 AM

Been done already, in the 18th century in Wurzburg.

The things you learn in these comment threads.

#55796: Keith Douglas — 12/31  at  09:42 AM
Hoaxes do have their dangers ... but if used right they can be educational too... and of course funny. Ah, difficult decision making ...