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Thursday, August 04, 2005

Diane Rehm show? What?

A number of people have told me to listen to this Diane Rehm show on "Evolution and Intelligent Design". I don't get it. It consists of Nick Matzke of the NCSE and Alan Leshner, CEO of the AAAS, presenting the facts, and this fellow Richard Land, saying over and over again that everyone should go to discovery.org and that the motives behind Intelligent Design creationism are entirely scientific and not at all religious, that there are all these scientists supporting the "theory", and was continually spouting the scientific credentials of those Discovery Institute hacks.

The irony is that Land is the president of the ethics and religious liberties commission of Southern Baptist Convention. He knows nothing about science, and screwed up repeatedly on basic ideas in science (he doesn't know what a theory is, for instance, and thinks historical theories can't be tested); he's some kind of goofy conservative theologian.

And then they trot out the flip-flopping quotes by Rick Santorum, who babbles about "holes" in the theory of evolution. He's a feather-brained ideologue, not a scientist.

So it was two scientists against a wingnut religious kook. Why does the media even bother with this crap?

As for this nonsense of having Intelligent Design creationism taught alongside real biology, I think this cartoon I found on Anne's Anti-Quackery and Science Blog says it all.

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I don't care how many theologians and crackpots you find who declare that alchemy, phrenology, magic, and astrology are rational, scientific disciplines with proponents with Ph.D.s—that doesn't make them science.


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Comments:
#33739: Vincent Noel — 08/04  at  03:46 PM
I think that last part should read :
I don't care how many theologians and crackpots you find who declare that alchemy, phrenology, magic, and astrology...



's avatar #33742: PZ Myers — 08/04  at  03:55 PM
Yes. Three hours of sleep last night will do that to a person.

Or maybe I just really dislike those astronomers.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#33743: Miranda — 08/04  at  04:10 PM
Aww..don't be so hard on the media, PZ. It's not like they get much of anything beyond the sport's scores correct. I've yet to read a news report on topics I actually know somthing about (ie school board meetings I've attended) that were reported as they occured. And that is with a reporter right there!

Think of how much harder they have to work when the subject is science, a topic given such wide respect and thorough teaching at every level of our educational system? </sarcasm>



#33744: — 08/04  at  04:30 PM
On the other hand, the media can be counted on to spell "sports" correctly.

(In snark mode because I've been banned from Panda's Thumb for two days--in their (correct) zeal to ban JAD, they have banned a big chunk of IPs in the Raleigh/RTP area. Which is unfortunate, because this is an extremely dense science/technical area of the country)



's avatar #33745: PZ Myers — 08/04  at  04:37 PM
Have you e-mailed Reed?

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#33752: — 08/04  at  05:41 PM
this is an extremely dense science/technical area
That's a rather unfortunate turn of phrase.



#33753: — 08/04  at  05:44 PM
I was disappointed that Leshner let the repeated citation of Hoyle go by (not to mention 'all the physicists and mathematicians'). Yes, Hoyle has been an esteemed scientist, but in astronomy. His probability calculation showed nothing relevant to biology because he understood so little about biology that he was trying to answer the wrong question. That's why the miniscule number of mathematicians and physicists listed by the D.I. are irrelevant.

Moreover, so what if Hoyle disproved random assembly of a cell. No biologist ever claimed that that cells assembled randomly in the first place. Evolution works by the combination of mutation and natural selection. The origin of the first cell lies doesn't even lie in the field of evolution, but in abiogenesis. Abiogenesis researchers are researching the hypothesis that life began according to the rules of chemistry and biology, not by chance assembly.



#33758: Miranda — 08/04  at  06:10 PM
<quote> On the other hand, the media can be counted on to spell "sports" correctly</quote>

Sigh. I just love that apostrophe key today. And my local paper generally spells "sports" correctly, but I wouln't count on a whole lot else.



#33759: — 08/04  at  06:12 PM
Yeah, I emailed Reed and Wesley, a few days ago. They told me they'd get to it sometime, if at all.



#33760: — 08/04  at  06:18 PM
Oh Miranda, I was just being snarky. Spelling is only important in a few professions. For instance, there's a smoothie shop across from NCSU with big neon sign which says

SMOOTHIE'S

the neon guy--he should definitely know how to spell and apostrophize.



#33772: arensb — 08/04  at  07:28 PM
Is it just me, or does the astronomer in the last panel look a bit like Phil Plait?



#33818: Nick — 08/05  at  03:14 AM
This is an interesting one. Good post!



#33820: — 08/05  at  03:23 AM
Yeah. Good post. Nothing more to be said, really.



Trackback: Intelligent Design Pseudo-Science V Tracked on: The Buckingham Inquirer (70.85.88.196) at 2005 08 05 06:15:12
[parts one, two, three, and four] Have you ever heard of the electric universe theory of cosmology? It holds that everything Steven Hawking and Roger Penrose believe about the universe is wrong, and the electromagnetic rather than the gravitational force



#33839: — 08/05  at  07:53 AM
I think someone should start a pro-alchemy organization on the theory that Newton believed in it, so it must be true. grin



#34135: Elayne Riggs — 08/07  at  09:08 AM
Hang on. Didn't Clarke say that "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic"? So there, Mr. Smarty-Pants Communist, Mr. Beatnick, Mr. Hippy! smile



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