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Monday, August 22, 2005

Dr Frist: or, how I learned to stop worrying and love Intelligent Design

I was initially greatly distressed by Frist's recent comments, as well as those by Bush.

"I think today a pluralistic society should have access to a broad range of fact, of science, including faith," Frist said.

Frist, a doctor who graduated from Harvard Medical School, said exposing children to both evolution and intelligent design "doesn't force any particular theory on anyone. I think in a pluralistic society that is the fairest way to go about education and training people for the future."

While contemplating that phrase, "graduated from Harvard Medical School", I had an epiphany. This is the death of expertise. Who cares what a bunch of biologists say about biology…so who cares what a Harvard Med grad says about medicine? I am liberated and empowered by these statements. I may have no training at all in medicine, but so what? The more closely I looked at the medical establishment, the more clear it became that there is a conspiracy to keep the failings of Hippocratism hidden.

That's right, Hippocratism. Did you know that doctors swear a secret oath to a long-dead Greek who lived almost 2500 years ago? That's how antiquated their ideas are. He was also a pagan who believed in some weird polytheistic cult. Even today, the symbol of medicine is…get ready for it…a magic wand! Take a look at the web page for the Hippocratists' most important secret society, and there it is in plain sight—a magic wand with a snake. How can you trust these people?

They're also dead wrong on many important problems—cancer, for instance. They don't know what causes cancer! Go ahead, try it: get cancer, and ask your doctor how you got it. He'll shrug his shoulders and give you a laundry list of possible causes. He might say it was genetic, which is just their fancy way of blaming your Mom (he may not even know your mother, but she's at fault). The Hippocratist might mumble something about diet or environment or whatever, but he doesn't really know. He might say something about smoking, too, but did you know that there are legitimate, qualified MDs who have published scientific papers saying there is no link between smoking and cancer? They were funded by the fabulously wealthy Phillip Morris company, too, so you know they didn't have to cut corners on the budget.

The Hippocratists don't understand the mechanisms, and they don't know how to cure you, either. They say they do, but all their procedures involve cutting into you while you're asleep, during which time they'll leave their odd tools in your guts, and take the opportunity to slice out bits that you won't notice missing. Wake up, and you've got a spatula and a garlic press in you, and are missing a kidney that they'll sell on the black market to pay for their golf club memberships. Then they'll pump you up with a witches brew of toxic poisons and maybe fry you with some radiation. Sometimes they say they're going to cure you, and you die anyway, and sometimes they say you're going to die, and you live. "Cure"? Hah!

Hippocratist "training" is little more than indoctrination (notice that "doc" is imbedded in that word—revealing, no?), and they are blinkered to the insights that a new perspective from outside their cult can bring. They've failed to cure everything so far, so clearly Hippocratism is a dead end, and can only be rejuvenated with the fresh ideas. Free of the taint of Hippocratism, I am clearly a person well-equipped to revolutionize medicine; you can think of me as the Galen or Vesalius or Reich of a new era of healing.

This may be controversial, but if there is a controversy, there must be a problem, right? That just means we've got to fix this. Controversies are a sign that Hippocratism is in trouble.

So, despite my lack of background in traditional Hippocratism, and the dearth of research on my views of healing, and, well, my unwillingness to say anything about my views of healing, I've decided to go straight to the top. I insist that I be appointed to be one of the doctors in charge of the US Senate. Heck, maybe I should be appointed co-Surgeon General. I think if you look at the doctors who are charged with treating our senators, every one of them is a Hippocratist. Is this fair? Of course not. To be fair, every time a Hippocratist prescribes some treatment for a senator, I ought to be allowed to prescribe my treatment. This is America. We're all about fairness.

I can begin right away. I've noticed a few things about Bush and Frist that could use some immediate correction (one of the virtues of my form of medicine is that it is so powerful, I don't actually need to meet my patients to diagnose them—unlike those Hippocratists!). Both are choleric, so I suggest immediate rounds of bleeding. Frist needs cupping and lancing, and for Bush I recommend leeches—a great many leeches (need I mention that if it was good enough for George Washington, it should be good enough for our current patriotic leaders?). I've also noticed that Mr Bush has been doing a lot of bicycling and brush clearing, which I suspect is an attempt to sublimate another chronic activity. I'm going to have to insist that he be fitted with one of these. It will look good in a flight suit, so he should be willing.

I'm also working on a couple of books. Defeating Hippocratism One Senator at a Time will be about our social and political and surgical strategy for renewing our health culture, while Hippocrates' Black Bag will focus on the scientific flaws in the Hippocratic approach. I'm now looking for someone willing to go through med school so he can write a book attacking the whole thing (Icons of Hippocratism would be a catchy title).

It won't be long before the New York Times treats us seriously.


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Comments:
#36891: Les Lane — 08/22  at  10:41 AM
And besides all that there must be a relationship between Hippocratists and hypocrisy. It only makes sense that the words have a common root.



#36893: notheory — 08/22  at  10:42 AM
ROFLMAO!

This is sheer genius! Fantastic. Utterly fantastic, it hits all the relevant points dead on.

In conclusion, David Horowitz is an intellectual pygmy.



#36894: — 08/22  at  10:44 AM
Great post! The sad thing is we already have a similar type of "controversy" in medicine. It is medicine vs. alternative medicine. The sad thing is there is no real alternative, but simply criticisms of the current practice of medicine. Either something is based in biological plausibility and/or clinical evidence (ideally both) or it is just somebody's (or many people's) idea or what should be a great solution. Just like creationism, if someone wants to practice in their own little world that is fine, but don't waste the public's limited resources on it. If someone wants to try to convert something from "alternative" medicine into medicine, great, but they have to go through the same process as everyone else. All too often advocates for alternative medicine are all to similar in their pleas for short-cuts and special exceptions as are the creationists for ID. Some people do not see the not so subtle difference between open-mindedness and empty-mindedness. It is possible to have standards of evidence without being dogmatic.

Thanks, PZ, for fighting the good fight.



#36897: — 08/22  at  10:50 AM
Brilliant.

Unfortunately, I'm sure many IDiots are part of the laetril injecting, faith healing, power-of-prayer pushing, psychic surgery seeking, Orin Hatch Tahitian Noni swilling, alternative medicine crowd. The gullible already distrust science-based medicine and probably are sizing up gravitation as one of those laws we should repeal along with the Death Tax.



#36899: — 08/22  at  10:58 AM
Bravo...

As for your closing link to the NYT, here is a choice bit only about ten lines down from the top:

"Michael J. Behe, a professor of biochemistry at Lehigh University and a leading design theorist"

Hey, Behe has a theory; maybe he'll be nice enough to specify it!



#36902: — 08/22  at  11:04 AM
"[Y]ou can think of me as the Galen or Vesalius or Reich of a new era of healing." PZ, go for Paracelsus instead! You could claim to be channeling him, Paracelsus making prescriptions FROM BEYOND THE GRAVE!



#36903: — 08/22  at  11:08 AM
Bush is also suffering from an imp located somewhere in the base of his skull that affects his balance. This would explain how he hits his head on tables after falling from a sitting position and his bicycle/Segway accidents.

I suggest that we drill into his skull from the top left side and remove the imp or just kill it where it is by pouring in acid.

I know this is a little more involved than "run of the mill" trepanation but it just might work.

this has been an attempt at humor for those who don't know



#36905: Les Lane — 08/22  at  11:09 AM
And of course Behe is the new "Paley of the argument from design".

By the way what's the progress in the argument from design since 1802?



#36906: — 08/22  at  11:14 AM
I personally hope that the public's general distrust of science will foster a new resurgance of medeval barbers and pentecostal-style faith healing. We need more laying of hands and talking in tongues in this country.

My lady is an ICU nurse who periodically gets the odd (and I do mean odd!)"Christian Scientist" through her unit. She can give them no drug nor blood, and little more than a saline drip and they writh in pain and take up space before they die an agonizing death amidst their family's prayers for health. I tell her that they end up their because their faith just wasn't strong enough to heal their gooey abcess or ruptured apendix or whatever major medical problem that was god's will to end their life. If more people in this world could just embrace this "god's will" concept we might have the solution to our impending over population woes. Its god's will that they be born and its his will that they die writhing. Amen.



#36907: Jeff Durkin — 08/22  at  11:16 AM
First, great post.

Second, I wonder how Senator/surgeon Frist would feel about teaching medical beliefs like a) using sex with virgins to rid oneself of AIDS or b) requiring a widow to have sex with a male relative of her deceased spouse to ensure that his spirit doesn't linger about spreading disease. Both are beliefs in different parts of Africa today, both have many adherents, both are viewed by some as being medically effective.

I don't mean to pick on Africa, but the point is that the case could be made that these are analogous to the relationship of ID to evolution. In fact, the causal mechanisms for these beliefs are actually sounder than that of ID (at least to the believers); at least these beliefs don't have a big question mark for the root cause, something ID does.

So, when Frist argues for faith healing to be taught alongside anatomy at Harvard, then he'll be consistent. Until that time, maybe he should keep his nose out of something he obviously does not understand; science.

In my humble opinion, of course.



#36909: — 08/22  at  11:19 AM
I think you meant to say: "Take a look at the web page for the Hippocratists' most important secret society, and there it is in plain sight—a magic wand with a SNAKE!!!???!!!!!."



#36911: — 08/22  at  11:21 AM
I declare you to be the Jonathon Swift of Pluralistic Science.



's avatar #36912: PZ Myers — 08/22  at  11:25 AM
Wait a minute...sex with virgins as a cure for disease? That's BRILLIANT! I'm going to keep that one in mind for the next time someone tells me, "Doctor, heal thyself."

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#36916: — 08/22  at  11:44 AM
BTW, has anyone here ever spent more than five seconds perusing the content over at the Evolution News and Views blog? [http://www.evolutionnews.orgHOLY SHIT!] I damned near micturated myself just reading it.

I felt that I should share this response by Jonathon Witt to K Chang's recent article on ID in the NYT. (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/22/national/22design.html)

It begins:
"Imagine intelligent design is an elephant in the next room. A cat lies crushed on the floor before us, with the clear mark of an elephant's toe imprinted on his poor, flat, fuzzy body.

You say, "I hear and smell an elephant in the next room. I say the most likely culprit is the elephant."

But then some guy [PZ?] who hates cats almost as much as he hates elephants--and therefore doesn't want to give the elephant credit for killing the cat--insists there is no elephant. When it's finally clear that the empirical evidence for the elephant can no longer be ignored or denied, the elephant denier disappears and comes back with a large stuffed elephant and begins literally beating the straw out of it. He's trying to tell you the elephant isn't worth bothering with, isn't up to snuff.

If you desperately want to ignore the real elephant, then you'll find this ridiculous display quite convincing. Everyone else will know immediately that the man hasn't torn the real elephant to shreds but only a straw mock-up of the creature. This is what we find in the Kenneth Chang article. He sets up strawmen versions of several intelligent design arguments, then invites a Darwinist in to dismember it, usually at considerable length."

Is it just me, or is that one of THE WORST analogies that you have EVER heard in your life? What the FUCK do elephants and dead kitties have to do with so called evidence of implied molecular design?



#36918: — 08/22  at  11:47 AM
Wait a minute...sex with virgins as a cure for disease? That's BRILLIANT!
Had you really not heard of that before, PZ? It's considerably less than brilliant from the point of view of the very young girls and babies who are raped, often by members of their own extended family sneaking in during the night. All because those men believe in the false idea of passing on AIDS being a cure for oneself (religiously inspired ignorance and disinformation), value their own life above that of the child (because it's only a female after all) and can be relatively sure of the youngster's virginity and inability to fight back or even tell on them.



#36920: — 08/22  at  11:56 AM
This post finally opens the door for me to publish my paper showing that it's entropically impossible for Hippocratists to heal you in any way. That would involve re-ordering things that have become disordered, and we all know that's unpossible.

Rrawr!



's avatar #36921: Chris Clarke — 08/22  at  11:58 AM
Hippocratists


Get your framing right for once, guys. It's "Hippocrists."

"I do not think we should antagonize the religious when it is not warranted, though I think we should be willing to do so whenever it is.”
-- Glen Davidson



#36922: — 08/22  at  12:02 PM
Well done, Dr. Myers!

Why shouldn't medical practice and procedure be able to be designed (and implemented!) by any random guy off the street?

Teach the controversy!

Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

-Jerry Garcia



#36924: — 08/22  at  12:04 PM
That analogy is hilarious! But I think it needs to be modified. It should begin as follows:

"Imagine that a three-year-old has drawn a picture that he insists is Jocko the Magic Elephant, and the picture is hanging in his bedroom...."



#36927: — 08/22  at  12:12 PM
I never knew flagella were powered by "little spinning motors." I always thought this was just a convenient linguistic representation. a schematic construct aimed at easing students' understanding. Now I know that when my high-school biology teacher referred to an endoplasmic reticulum as a "highway" and mitochondria as "powerhouses," she was speaking literally.

It's unfortunate enough that Goddities exploit these and other euphemisms in their full-scale assault on knopwledge and reason, but far worse is journalists' unwitting complicity in IDiotic assholery. And scientists have no choice but to stop and confront these issues.

What an excoriating waste of resources. If an alien intelligence happened upon our planet and saw humanity, -- so widely and badly stricken with the faith byrus -- proudly referring to itself as "intelligent," it would laugh its otherworldly ass off and probably destroy us out of sheer mercy.



#36928: — 08/22  at  12:15 PM
You are so right that they (the unreality based community) is making war on experts. Go by any hard-right or "traditionalist" web site (jimkalb.org comes to mind) and you can see the hate for expertise.



#36931: — 08/22  at  12:24 PM
What did you expect of an elitist establishment-educated dolt like Frist to think about medicine? Was he ever exposed to alternatives, like exorcism and sympathetic magic? Of course not, he was taught the metaphysics-based "naturalistic" form of medicine, and he wants to impose this on the rest of us, without providing the funding necessary to expose the fraud of modern medicine, or even to allow students to be taught alternative beliefs held by some scientists, like spirit possession and miasthma theory.

Just another elitist "expert" who refuses to consider the ideas of the new Galileos, like Weil and that Rousseau guy. I bet he wouldn't listen to good ol' Pinkoski regarding archaeology, either. I just thank God that he has the sense to recognize that George McReady Price and Ron Wyatt were right about design all along, though obviously the truth had to be dressed up by Ph.Ds like Behe and Dembski first (to be serious, just consider how many credentials-whores are out there being convinced by complete nonsense uttered by witch-doctors and prophets once some appallingly stupid Ph.D starts believing it).



#36933: — 08/22  at  12:28 PM
So, let's see if I've got this right.

According to the New York Times the good Dr. Behe has a theory that because blood clotting is as complex as mousetraps, God exists.

Interesting leap of logic.

Frankly, the fact that a Hippocratist is so amazed at this phenomenon is unsurprising. Clearly understaing of the human body is not really a requirement for the job. However I feelc ompelled to note that if I were God I'd be smiting his ass for constantly pointing out that omniscient beings aparently are either too lazy or too stupid to build proper redundancies into the safety devices on their systems.

"One protein missing and no clotting happens" is a pretty damn dangerous way to build a supposedly "intelligent" system.



#36937: Kagehi — 08/22  at  12:46 PM
> Requiring a widow to have sex with a male relative of her deceased spouse to ensure that his spirit doesn't linger about spreading disease.

Actually, I would love to see the right decide to follow this ideal. Its would 'finally' prove what I have said all along, that the ten commandments for these idiots are for 'everyone else', not them, according to their warped logic. Its only fitting that adultery be one they break as well. Though, a more likely 'solution' they would go for is incest or adultery to 'cure' gays. I am just waiting for the day we see it happen.

Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proved innocent - Robert A. Heinlein



#36939: Bob Davis — 08/22  at  01:03 PM
My doctor has prescribed turning off TV when Mr. Doctor Frist comes on. I think the good Senator may not be a real Doctor, so we may not have to listen to him anyway. Harvard isn't a real medical school either. So his degree isn't worth the paper it's printed on. And my doctor says that Bush doesn't need leeches, since he has Dick, who has Halliburton, which is a leech. A big one, too. And my other doctor likes it when I quote him on the internets, so I thought I would add this quote, "Religious theories of evolution are the basis for all modern medicine. They should be taught to all med-school students before they even learn about leeches."



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