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Sunday, June 19, 2005

Exorcising flawed concepts of Hox function

Echoed on the Panda's Thumb

One of those difficult misconceptions that is hard to root out of people's heads is the idea that individual genes 'make' something. We all have this bias, this tendency to reify the gene into something concrete—scientists do it all the time, too. You can see it in the list of gene names at OMIM, for instance; many are named after diseases or their consequences in adults. The message of which I try to always remind myself (not always successfully) is that genes don't make things, interactions between collections of genes and the environment make things. Biology arises out of the processes, not the structures; it's the reactions, not the end-product.

A paper in the latest BioEssays reminds me of this. It's a short review of Hox genes and insect wing formation that carries the same message, that morphology is a consequence of patterns of gene interactions.

First, some basics. The insect thorax is made of three segments, the prothorax, mesothorax, and metathorax, or T1, T2, and T3. Each segment has a pair of ventral appendages, the legs, and may have a dorsal appendage, the wings and wing derivatives. The dorsal appendages are highly modified. They are completely turned off in T1, and in many insects, T2 and T3 carry two pairs of wings. In butterflies and dragonflies, for instance, the forewings are on T2 and the hindwings are on T3.

beetle hox
Sclerotised dorsal appendages in two different insects. A: The beetle Calosoma semilaeve, with left elytron and wing expended. B: a male strepsipteran Eoxenos laboulbenei.

Some insects modify this latter arrangement, however. Flies have only one pair of wings, the forewings on T2; the hindwings on T3 have been modified into a small balancer organ called the haltere. Beetles do something different, and have retained the T3 hindwings for flying, but have modified the T2 forewings into hard wing covers, called elytra. The Strepsiptera have reversed the Dipteran pattern, and fly with their T3 hindwings and have turned their forewings into balancing organs.

In flies, we have mutations that change these dorsal appendages. For example, mutations that disrupt a gene called Ultrabithorax (Ubx for short) transform the haltere into a forewing, producing four-winged flies. There is the temptation to say to oneself, "Aha! So Ubx in normal flies is responsible for making halteres—it is the haltere gene!" Resist it. It isn't.

Ubx is a gene that is expressed in T3, and weakly in the posterior part of T2. Other genes with roles in segment identity are Antennapedia (Antp) in T2, and Sex combs reduced (Scr) in T1. We can very roughly say the genes are associated with segments in the order Scr-Antp-Ubx, corresponding to T1-T2-T3, as diagrammed below. It's a little messier than that, because they overlap and because early development is by parasegments, which are a half-segment out of register with segments (really, let's not get into that now, unless you desperately want a headache).

beetle hox
A schematic sketch of Scr, Antp and Ubx Hox genes' expression in the three insects of interest, the fly Drosophila (Diptera), the beetle Tribolium (Coleoptera) and the butterfly Junonia (Lepidoptera). Expression domains do not strictly correspond to segmental, but rather parasegmental units. Dark grey: strong expression; light grey: weak expression.

The key thing here is the text at the bottom of the diagram, which shows something fascinating: Scr, Antp, and Ubx are expressed in exactly the same pattern in the Dipteran Drosophila, the beetle Tribolium, and the butterfly Junonia. The expression of Ubx only leads to haltere formation in flies; in beetles and butterflies, the T3 segment expresses Ubx, and the animals make wings.

Obviously, Ubx does not make halteres; Ubx in the context of many other downstream genes, some of which differ in flies and beetles, contributes to the specification of a unique identity for the T3 segment. Here's the author's conclusion:

The present data lead us to adjust our point of view on Hox genes' function. It is common to say that the Hox genes determine the identity of body parts. What does identity mean? From our own human perspective, most of us thought that it meant a precise morphology for a group of cells expressing a given Hox selector. Genetic analysis reveals the genome's point of view, that of the organism itself in its evolution. It now appears that the precise morphology of an organ or a segment does not matter, what matters for the Hox genes is relative morphology. In other words, identity, determined by Hox genes, means no more than difference between a certain body part and its neighbours along the AP axis.

We can thus view the Hox genetic programme as a meta- programme, versatile enough to accommodate changes in the underlying genetic programmes specifying the precise morphology of individual parts. In summary, the Hox genes do not make the difference between the three thoracic segments, after all. They might just ensure that they are (and maybe have to be) different from one another.

Evo-devo is really moving fast to leave the ghosts of molecular preformationism behind, and our vision of how developmental biology works is becoming progressively more strange and abstract. Give us a few more years, and developmental biology is going to be as weird and mind-bending as modern physics.


Deutsch J (2005) Hox and wings. BioEssays 27:673-675.


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Comments:
#29011: DarkSyde — 06/19  at  09:06 AM
Good post.



#29013: charlie wagner — 06/19  at  09:34 AM
PZ wrote:
"We can thus view the Hox genetic programme as a meta- programme, versatile enough to accommodate changes in the underlying genetic programmes specifying the precise morphology of individual parts."

Indeed. In fact, there are multiple programs. One program is for evolution. It regulates the emergence of new structures, new processes and new organisms where none existed before. This program has largely run it's course.
Another program is the developmental program, the one that regulates the development of individual organisms from zygotes. Then there is the dynamic program, the one that interacts with the environment to turn genes on and off to make dynamic adjustments to the other programs.
Oh, and by the way, how did these programs arise? By accident? Or by intelligent input?



#29015: bill — 06/19  at  10:25 AM
Good grief, PZ!

Back to back comments by Charlie Wagner and DaveScot!

Don't you have your bug zapper turned on? The pests are being attracted to the light!

(oh, and this is rich. My secret word to make this comment is "hell", I kid you not. Is that an omen or what?)



#29016: — 06/19  at  10:29 AM
The third floor of the store is still the third floor, even if it's under new management with new stock (and, if you're lucky, new signage which reflects the stock).



's avatar #29018: PZ Myers — 06/19  at  10:45 AM
DaveScot has been expunged, as he will be in the future if he continues his spam campaign. He's a disruptive, obnoxious idiot.

Wagner is just an idiot.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#29021: coturnix — 06/19  at  11:52 AM
Lovely. I have just finished Wallace Arthur's "Biased Embryos and Evolution" and this was a nice icing on the cake. (I am contemplating writing a book review on my blog while th ebook is still fresh in my mind).



#29024: Joseph ODonnell — 06/19  at  12:18 PM
I've always been fascinated with hox genes and I really wish I had gone into insect developmental biology like I had wanted to. I'll guess I'll stick to microbiology.



#29027: bill — 06/19  at  12:39 PM
re DaveScot

However, he posts comments regularly over at Dembski's site. Birds of a feather?



#29030: Raven — 06/19  at  01:04 PM
<blogwhore>PZ, a wonderful post, and one which inspired one of my own this morning about modeling such relationships to represent them in the computer.</blogwhore>

Seriously, I wish I knew how to do trackbacks in blogger, because I really meant it when I said "PZ Myers has another great biological post this morning (I know, that's redundant). ".



#29031: — 06/19  at  01:09 PM
coturnix, please write it. I finished 'Biased Embryos' last week and would like to read what you thought of it.



#29036: charlie wagner — 06/19  at  01:44 PM
PZ wrote:

"Wagner is just an idiot."

Just when I thought we were making progress.

I'll assume that you're just putting on a show for your acolytes.

"May you have the hindsight to know where you've been
the foresight to know where you're going
and the insight to know when you're going too far."



#29037: Hank Fox — 06/19  at  02:19 PM
Second the motion: Wagner is an idiot.



#29043: donna — 06/19  at  02:48 PM
And how did Wagner arrive? By accident, or by intelligent input?

I bet accident....

And my codeword is "respect". ;^)

Going too far? I think you were. The people who read here certainly have no desire to be termed "acolytes", that's for sure.



's avatar #29044: Ken Cope — 06/19  at  02:50 PM
An amusing idiot who isn't here to flame and can't seem to understand why his attempts at argument and ingratiation go nowhere. But after reading one or two too many Jester posts (one or two of them are one or two too many), I regret having overreacted to the (mostly) harmless CW.



#29046: Raven — 06/19  at  03:24 PM
But after reading one or two too many Jester posts (one or two of them are one or two too many), I regret having overreacted to the (mostly) harmless CW.


Well, Ken, from a knowledge representation point of view, the next step is obvious--we need a taxonomy of trolls smile.

Donna's point:

The people who read here certainly have no desire to be termed "acolytes", that's for sure.


is spot on. I've seen the point raised again and again at the Panda's Thumb that the creationist idea that scientists are engaged in a big cover-up to sell the "evolution lie" just shows that creationists don't get how scientists think. If there really were massive evidence against evolution, scientists would be stabbing each other in the back to be the first to publish that evidence in Nature or Science, and get the Nobel prize for bringing about the resultant revolution--and any so-called "master" would have to get out of the way, or risk being trampled by "acolytes" getting in on the gold rush.

Nietzsche was as crazy as a syphilitic bedbug, but some of his writing was brilliant, and one example quoted by a commenter at the Panda's Thumb recently clearly illustrates the attitude of science to so-called "acolytes":

"Man vergilt einem Lehrer schlecht, wenn man immer nur der Schüler bleibt. Und warum wollt ihr nicht an meinem Kranze rupfen?" ("You repay a teacher poorly, if you remain only a student. And why do you not want to pluck at my laurels?")

Von der schenkenden Tugend (On the generous virtue), from Also Sprach Zarathustra (Thus Spake Zarathrustra)

(and my submission word was "leaders"--how ironic is THAT?)



's avatar #29047: Ken Cope — 06/19  at  03:47 PM
That's why CW gets the "mostly" qualifier in harmless. For somebody claiming not to be religious, CW is happy to use the standard projection that science is merely a religion.



#29056: Orac — 06/19  at  08:19 PM
Ooh. Homeobox gene blogging. You do know that one of the major areas of my research involves homeobox genes, don't you?

Not in flies, obviously, though.

--
Orac “A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”
http://oracknows.blogspot.com



's avatar #29060: Virge — 06/19  at  10:26 PM
Raven wrote:
Seriously, I wish I knew how to do trackbacks in blogger, because I really meant it when I said "PZ Myers has another great biological post this morning (I know, that's redundant). ".

You're using BlogSpot, which doesn't intrinsically support trackbacks (last time I looked) but you can use a 3rd party like haloscan.com to manually generate trackback pings to Pharyngula posts from your blog.
1. Sign up with haloscan.com (I've no particular allegiance to haloscan. It's just one that I've used that seems to work.)
2. Log in and click on the "Manage Trackback" link
3. Select the tab lebelled "Send a Trackback Ping"
4. Fill in the fields, including
- the Permalink URL: http://ravensara.blogspot.com/2005/06/modeling-correspondences-among-hox.html
- the URLs to Ping: http://pharyngula.org/index/trackback/2445/
(You can locate the Pharyngula trackback URL at the bottom of a Pharyngula entry but before the comments.)
5. Ping Now.
6. After a minute or two, refresh the Pharyngula page and you'll see your trackback in the comments.



Trackback: Modeling Hox structure correspondences across spec Tracked on: Quoth the Raven (72.9.234.70) at 2005 06 19 22:45:21
PZ Myers has another great biological post this morning (I know, that's redundant). It's about how the interactions among Hox genes create structures.



#29065: Raven — 06/19  at  10:47 PM
Cool, Virge--thanks!



#29066: coturnix — 06/19  at  11:45 PM
Flame me now if you wish, but I have a feeling that the whole institution of Trackback has outlived its usefulness. I may be in the minority, but I doubt I am unique in this respect. Consider:

1 - I see lots of trackbacking among the blogs older than about 2 years, then progressively less on younger blogs and none on blogs that are just a couple of months old.

2 - Most of the existing blogs have been started within last 6 months or so (see 1)

3 - Most of the blogs (about a third and rising) are on Blogger, which does not support trackbacks. Very few Blogger blogs install haloscan trackback. Some of the newer platforms, I believe, also do not support trackbacks.

4 - Trackbacks are much more susceptible to spam than comments.

5 - Emergence of tools like Sitemeter and Technorati allows the blogger to "detect" an incoming link.

6 - The process can be speeded up by e-mailing the linked blogger.

7 - It is not considered blogwhoring any more to post a comment saying briefly something along the lines of "my comment got too long so I posted it on my blog instead at this link".

8 - I never read trackbacks and have never clicked on one. They are not part of my "search image" and my eyes skip over them, somewhat annoyed at the noise on the page. On the other hand, I am highly likely to click on the link in a comment that says "My lengthy response is on my blog - here".

9 - Are bloggers who post a few dozen links per day really going to go through the whole trackbacking gymnastics for every link they make, just to find out they cannot do it for a third of blogs?

Just my 2c.



Trackback: Seussian Genetics Tracked on: PhaWRONGula (72.9.234.70) at 2005 06 20 01:22:19
...Flies with eyes come. Flies with thighs come. Flies with unwise thighs on eyes come...



's avatar #29069: Virge — 06/20  at  01:59 AM
coturnix,
From your points #5 & #6 it sounds like you see the main advantage of trackbacks as notification to the blog owner. I agree that there are better ways to do that.

I treat trackbacks as a way of letting blog readers know that there is a relevant blog entry in another blog if they want to read. If I feel that I have something to say that they ought to read as part of a discussion, I'll post a comment. Trackbacks are ideal for PhaWRONGula entries. They're optional reading, and readers who find them amusing will follow the links in the trackbacks; others will skip over the few lines of noise.

As for whether trackbacks are dying out, I couldn't say. The blogger help says:
Blogger does not currently support Trackback. If you're interested in this feature, you might try using Haloscan's free service.

My guess would be that they'll implement it eventually provided they can do so without opening themselves up to floods of trackback spam.



's avatar #29071: — 06/20  at  04:57 AM
Raven, I'm facinated by your association of acolyte with Also Sprach Zarathustra. But Charlie Wagner was probably thinking of Magneto's followers, who are also called acolytes. Vide Pinkovski, Creationists seem to get most of their stuff from the comics.

Quod natura non sunt turpia



#29081: Hank Fox — 06/20  at  08:55 AM
Jaimito, heh. I'm imagining them in little meetings shouting at each other in overheated Mighty Thor vernacular:

"Thinkest thou to attack mine certainty with thy stealthy scientific arguments?!? I say thee Nay!!"



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