#33437: charlie wagner — 08/01  at  06:24 PM
"next to of course god america i
love you land of the pilgrims' and so forth oh
say can you see by the dawn's early my
country tis of centuries come and go
and are no more what of it we should worry
in every language even deafanddumb
thy sons acclaim your glorious name by gorry
by jingo by gee by gosh by gum
why talk of beauty what could be more beaut-
iful than these heroic happy dead
who rushed like lions to the roaring slaughter
they did not stop to think they died instead
then shall the voice of liberty be mute?"

He spoke. And drank rapidly a glass of water

#33438: charlie wagner — 08/01  at  06:26 PM
ee cummings

#33452: — 08/01  at  09:26 PM
I guess it has escaped your notice that the other side has targeted your kids from long ago.

I came near to losing one at the World Trade Center. You should be thankful that nothing similar has happened to shake you out of your complacency.

Of course, you can comfort yourself that Morris is not high on the list of immediate targets, but that would put you in some pretty sleazy company, wouldn't it?

Sorry, professor, your kids are in for a war, and the only question is how it is to be fought.

#33454: paperwight — 08/01  at  09:38 PM
Apparently Harry hasn't gotten the memo that it's now a struggle [jihad, kampf], not a war. Also, it seems that Harry may not have been on the distribution list for the memo that Iraq (which is what PZ was discussing) was not part of the struggle formerly known as a war except insofar as it's populated by evil subhuman Muslims who apparently asked to be invaded by having a secular government of which George Bush disapproves (though their government did have the stamp of approval of earlier Republican Administrations).

Silly Muslims.

#33456: Ali — 08/01  at  10:20 PM
nice one, charlie.

#33513: — 08/02  at  11:34 AM
Harry, my husband's family did lose one at the World Trade Center. I'm not complacent. I'm not a bloodthirsty bigot either. Those aren't the only options, though you certainly seem to think they are.

#33540: — 08/02  at  01:48 PM
Who's bloodthirsty?

I'll be happy to ignore Muslims if they'll behave, same way I ignore Hindus etc.

But I'll bite. What's your option?

#33549: — 08/02  at  02:58 PM

guess it has escaped your notice that the other side has targeted your kids from long ago.

I came near to losing one at the World Trade Center. You should be thankful that nothing similar has happened to shake you out of your complacency.

Sorry, professor, your kids are in for a war, and the only question is how it is to be fought.

I'm sorry, Harry, I must have missed something. What exactly is your, uh, connection between Iraq and the World Trade Center?

#33561: — 08/02  at  06:16 PM
Islam.

Bush does not understand who the enemy is, although Iraq is at least in the neighborhood. But neither does Professor Myers.

WTC, you may recall, was before, not after, the invasion of Iraq. If Professor Myers's kids had happened to be visiting the WTC on Sept. 11, 2001, all the warm and runny thoughts he ever had about our Muslim brothers and their religion of peace would not have helped them.

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#33563: — 08/02  at  07:43 PM

Islam.

Bush does not understand who the enemy is, although Iraq is at least in the neighborhood. But neither does Professor Myers.

WTC, you may recall, was before, not after, the invasion of Iraq. If Professor Myers's kids had happened to be visiting the WTC on Sept. 11, 2001, all the warm and runny thoughts he ever had about our Muslim brothers and their religion of peace would not have helped them.

So let's see what we have.

A bunch of Saudis and Egyptians do the 9/11 attacks. They were funded by Saudis. The project was run by a Saudi expat living in Afghanistan.

So the logical response to this is for us to invade and occupy Iraq, a country which, incidentally, had a secular government.

(And which, very likely will have a theocratic government someday, as a direct result of our efforts.)

So we're in Iraq because they're Muslims. That's what you're saying.

Brilliant, Harry, you're a quintessential product of the Bush era.

#33719: — 08/04  at  12:30 PM
No, the invasion of Iraq was a bad policy because the US failed to 1) identify; 2) publicize & 3) destroy the real enemy.

But that was not the issue that Professor Myers raised.

He said he didn't want his kids going to that war, but that does not mean his kids would not still have been the targets of a war.

Riddle me this: Let's say Bush had asked the nation to go to war in Afghanistan and Iraq WITHOUT the attack on NY and Washington. Would we be in Iraq?

Obviously not. That ought to give you a clue.