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Saturday, July 09, 2005

häßlicher Abfluß

The much-discussed op-ed by Cardinal Schönborn, in which he basically throws away the Catholic Church's support for science, evoked some strange feelings in me. I was rather sad about it, but not for the reasons creationists might assume.

Schönborn's position and the Pope's opinion are entirely irrelevant to science—eppur si muove and all that—so it is really not a biological issue at all. The authority of evolution is derived not from any edicts, there is no Central Committee, nor is there any Great Man who defines it all for us (concepts which are exceedingly hard to get across to creationists), but instead, it is derived from a great many experiments and observations of the natural world. The Pope could decree that the sky was lavender with puce highlights, but it wouldn't change the observable fact of its actual color.

Schönborn has a doctorate in theology and speaks 6 languages, so he probably isn't a grossly stupid fellow, but a position high in the Catholic hierarchy and a background in nothing but religion are not qualifications to discuss biology, as the NYT article shows. His published piece is dogmatically bad science written with the aid of the Discovery Institute. He invents bold lies about the motivations of scientists, and declares that reason supports the unsupported assertions of Intelligent Design creationists.

Now at the beginning of the 21st century, faced with scientific claims like neo-Darwinism and the multiverse hypothesis in cosmology invented to avoid the overwhelming evidence for purpose and design found in modern science, the Catholic Church will again defend human reason by proclaiming that the immanent design evident in nature is real. Scientific theories that try to explain away the appearance of design as the result of "chance and necessity" are not scientific at all, but, as John Paul put it, an abdication of human intelligence.

There is no evidence, let alone "overwhelming evidence", for design in nature. Scientists do not have the goal of explaining away design, but rather of putting together the best, most accurate explanation of the real world—and many scientists are religious, and the answers they've come up with are in spite of any religious desires. His article is simply bad science, transparently infiltrated by the dishonest vapors of that gang of creationists in Seattle.

Read it with an eye to his sources; his arguments are based entirely on interpretations of a letter by Pope John Paul in 1996, comments he made in 1985, the Catholic Catechism, and Pope Benedict's writings and homilies…how quaint and theological. No reference is made to observations of the real world around us, that thing that good Catholics would call God's Creation.

His op-ed is no direct threat to biological science. It's laughably vacuous, built on a tissue of self-referential readings of dicta by church officials, and represents the kind of doctrinal masturbation that suggests a celibate priesthood is a really bad idea.

So what's to be sad about? There are about a billion Roman Catholics in the world, and one of their leaders has just announced that, by his interpretation, you cannot simultaneously be a right-thinking member of that church and a person of reason. I assume many Catholics will just wave off Schönborn and ignore him; some will take this as another sign that the Church has abandoned rational principles and will be driven away; and some, unfortunately, will seize upon this bit of uninformed dogma to fortify their prejudices. The net result will be that the Catholic Church will take yet another step towards being a bastion of ignorance.

We really don't need any more institutions striving to make the public more stupid. Even with my already low opinion of religion, I can't be happy at seeing Catholicism becoming more dogmatic and disconnected from reality…even if it does generate a few more apostates.


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Comments:
#31361: jmorrison — 07/09  at  08:59 AM
there is always the hope that large portions of that billion are in fact smarter than their belief system, and that as time goes on, and more and more pronouncements are made which seem out of step with the modern world, that many of these folks will simply be forced to make a choice between the reality they can see for themselves and the edicts of their church. after all in this day and age the flock are no longer illiterate peasants who never see beyond their tiny village in a lifetime. likewise they can not all be masochistic. i say the more draconian and ridiculous the statements from on high the better. let the flock see who they have thrown in with.



#31362: Riggsveda — 07/09  at  09:01 AM
Yes, it sucks, as we laypeople say. But the worst of it isn't what doctrine people are told to follow in church...God knows they have an easy enough time of it ignoring that when they go backout the door. The worst part is that the theology gets to play at being science in the schools, where it is likely to have much greater impact in the long run. And since parochial schools are by definition places to teach church doctrine, there is no protective barrier as there is (however tenuous now) in public schools.



's avatar #31364: PZ Myers — 07/09  at  09:13 AM
I guess I'm going to be a bit of a contrarian. I don't begrudge people the refuge of faith if they want it, as long as they can also be rational in dealing with the secular world. Schöborn is trying to close the window of reason, and I don't like it. With any luck, the majority of Catholics will dismiss his claims as malarkey, and this will have little effect...but I have to deplore any effort to herd the people of faith away from the rich, sweet pasture of reason.

Yeah, Riggsveda, that's one place where it's going to hurt: Catholic schools. They have a pretty good reputation for teaching solid science (although not so much out in rural areas, I assure you) and this can cause long-term damage to the Catholic school system. We also don't need any more Bob Jones Universities.

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#31366: — 07/09  at  09:20 AM
Schöborn is trying to close the window of reason, and I don't like it.


But you don't understand - he is Cardinal, so his opinion outranks your opinion.

Evidence be damned, it was probably created by Satan.



#31367: mattH — 07/09  at  09:23 AM
Couple this with the trial ballon floated a day or two ago regarding the circumstances under which someone should be taking communion and we are probably looking at a schism with many Catholics.



#31370: — 07/09  at  09:46 AM
Deeply troubling. There is a NY Times article in today's edition. The link is below. (You may not be able to access it without an online account, however. Just warning)

An interesting comment in the article is:

How did the Discovery Institute talking points wind up in Vienna?" wondered Glenn Branch, deputy director of the National Center for Science Education, which advocates the teaching of evolution. "It really did look quite a bit as if Cardinal Schönborn had been reading their Web pages."

Arguably, this statement may be consistent with the swing to the Theocratic Right that was feared upon the installation of Ratzenberger as pope.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/09/science/09cardinal.html?th&emc=th



#31372: — 07/09  at  09:56 AM
For those who weren't raised Catholic, I have taken the liberty of summarizing Catholic doctrine into its two main points:

1. There is a God.

2. It's not you.



#31373: — 07/09  at  09:56 AM
An obvious, very simple, and entirely appropriate
response to such 'dogma' is to bark.

Therefore, I'll do that, twice. Woof, Woof.



#31374: — 07/09  at  10:07 AM
This is what the new pope, Benedict XVI, said in his homily at the beginning of his pontificate (sp.?):
The church accepts evolution as fas as the man is not thought of as:
«un prodotto - casuale e senza senso - dell'evoluzione. Ciascuno di noi è il frutto di un pensiero di Dio. Ciascuno di noi è voluto, ciascuno è amato, ciascuno è necessario»
«a product - random and senseless - of the evolution. Each and everyone of us is fruit of the thought of God. Each and everyone of us wanted, loved, needed».
Sounds familiar?



#31380: — 07/09  at  10:41 AM
Schonborn likes the phrase 'in light of reason'. He is the type who would accept Aristotle reputedly saying that women had fewer teeth than men based on his philosophy that women are inferior to men and therefor have fewer teeth.

Does anyone know the source of the oft stated statement by Aristotle?



's avatar #31381: — 07/09  at  10:49 AM
Schonborn is a noble scion of the Austro-Hungarian Habsburg Empire, characterized as "absolutism moderated by stupidity". The Empire was a very good thing for that part of Europe. PZ is right, this will have little effect. About "herding the people of faith away from the rich, sweet pasture of reason", well, he is a Prince of the Church, not President of the Academy of Sciences.

Quod natura non sunt turpia



#31386: — 07/09  at  11:08 AM
Two points:

«a product - random and senseless - of the evolution. Each and everyone of us is fruit of the thought of God. Each and everyone of us wanted, loved, needed»


Is not incompatible with theistic evolution, is it?

Second, it seems clear that this is the DI's response to talkorigins and the contributors to the Panda's Thumb and suchlike consistently reaffirming the Catholic Church's position on evolution. Which in itself only further goes to show the DI as the architects of nothing more than a sophisticated PR campaign.

But a sophisticated PR campaign in the service of manifestly duff goods. Haven't they ever thought of selling something that people will still consume when its old, ripe and mouldy?

Like cheese.



#31387: Joseph ODonnell — 07/09  at  11:20 AM
I think they are trying in some way to support theistic evolution somehow and are ending up shooting themselves in the foot. Honestly, they don't need to change the original statement which was perfectly find to begin with and made sense. I think this is a DI spin campaign in full force to try and ramp up support.

Probably a clear sign they know there is blood in the water but they aren't the sharks.



#31391: Jan Theodore Galkowski — 07/09  at  11:36 AM
okay, okay, i was wrong. this startling 'clarification' on the part of "holy mother Church" means i was wrong, and my atheist and agnostic friends were right. i now believe Christian, Islamic, and probably Judaic religions as narrowly drawn and practiced are incompatible with a scientific world view. i've also said this in my blog, linked above or to the left.

i remain a Jew, although, because of the increasing trend in the States towards greater ritual and less social action and such, i no longer practice. i study Buddhism, although suspect that won't end up being much better.

i am worried that this trend in the United States (and Europe!) against reason and the rational which will inevitably be accelerated by this pronouncement is sad and disheartening. i'm trying to think of what it implies long term, in the manner of Alexis de Tocqueville, and i do not like what i'm coming up with.

a culture and country that ignores reality and abrogates a belief in experiment in science has no future technology. that suggests conquest and pain down the road.



#31394: bitchphd — 07/09  at  11:48 AM
It's funny, but I've long been so used to the church's misogyny that although I hate it, it hasn't prevented me from identifying myself as a Catholic. But for some reason, this thing just might.



#31398: — 07/09  at  12:02 PM
Theistic evolution is the closest thing the Roman Catholic Church has to an "official" teaching on creation versus evolution. John Paul II made it fairly clear that the Church accepted evolution as the logical consequence of the scientific evidence, although without embracing the naturalistic notion that it is unguided. Today, however, many of the most vigorous Catholic activists are apologists for creationism and can be relied upon to use their media outlets on EWTN and Catholic Radio to recite talking points from creationist tracts ("only a theory", "no transitional fossils", "fossils are dated from rock strata and rock strata are dated from fossils in a circular argument") and ID screeds ("no one can explain ...", "irreducible complexity", "purposive design"). It's going to get worse with Ratzinger in place of Wojtyla.



#31401: sort of buddhist — 07/09  at  12:41 PM
What really bothers me is that pronouncements such as this one of the cardinal's continue to misuse terms like "random" and "chance," together with the assumption that all morality has to come from divine fiat, to suggest that evolutionary theory is an "immoral" theory, and indeed that the whole of science is "immoral." Total pish-tosh, but unfortunately very widely believed even today. Will real enlightenment ever come to the human race?



#31402: Pete — 07/09  at  12:45 PM
(Quantum11: I assume you're referring to Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, and not John Ratzenberger, who played Clifford C. 'Cliff' Clavin Jr. on "Cheers". =) )

Can someone explain to me again, why anyone anywhere should care in the slightest what a bunch of old celibate men who like to dress up in colorful costumes and fancy hats have to say about.. biological evolution?

At any rate, I was very heartened to see this quote in the NYT article on Schönborn:
Darwinian evolution is the foundation of modern biology. While researchers may debate details of how the mechanism of evolution plays out, there is no credible scientific challenge to the underlying theory.


..the trouble is, a certain kind of person will read that and think, "well, so much for science then."



#31403: charlie wagner — 07/09  at  01:09 PM
Cardinal Schönborn wrote:


In an unfortunate new twist on this old controversy, neo-Darwinists recently have sought to portray our new pope, Benedict XVI, as a satisfied evolutionist. They have quoted a sentence about common ancestry from a 2004 document of the International Theological Commission, pointed out that Benedict was at the time head of the commission, and concluded that the Catholic Church has no problem with the notion of "evolution" as used by mainstream biologists - that is, synonymous with neo-Darwinism.


What? Quote-mining by scientists?
I'm shocked...

http://www.charliewagner.com



's avatar #31412: moioci — 07/09  at  02:29 PM
You know, one of the few things I was proud of in my nominal self-serve cafeteria catholicism was that at least Rome had learned something from the Galileo episode. But Geez Louise, how quickly they forget! I mean, 500 years to learn the lesson and what, 40 years to backslide? I would point out that although Cardinal Schönborn speaks with great authority, as lead editor of the catechism, he does not define official dogma. It will be interesting to see whether il Papa sees fit to weigh in with a clarification and whether he chooses to crawl up in the old cathedra to do so.



#31416: — 07/09  at  03:15 PM
One of the Popes did declare that the capybara, the world's largest rodent, was sufficiently "fish" since it lived in the water that Catholics could eat it on Fridays during lent.

No one had the heart to tell the capybara.



#31417: — 07/09  at  03:16 PM
Does anyone know the source of the oft stated statement by Aristotle?

Perhaps Aristotle's The History of Animals:

"Males have more teeth than females in the case of men, sheep, goats, and swine; in the case of other animals observations have not yet been made: but the more teeth they have the more long-lived are they, as a rule, while those are short-lived in proportion that have teeth fewer in number and thinly set."

It might be fair to say that Aristotle thought women were inferior to men, but I don't know if it's fair to say that "women had fewer teeth than men based on his philosophy that women are inferior to men." (In that passage, at least, Aristotle purports that his teeth theory is based on "observations".)



#31418: — 07/09  at  03:24 PM
"Can someone explain to me again, why anyone anywhere should care in the slightest what a bunch of old celibate men who like to dress up in colorful costumes and fancy hats have to say about.. biological evolution?" (#31402.)

Because they influence, to greater or lesser degree, a billion people or so.



#31419: DarkSyde — 07/09  at  03:25 PM
Allow me to play Devils Advocate.

Why might a Cardinal feel compelled to write an op-ed in a large newspaper explaining that the Pope did not endorse atheism by way of evolution? At first glance it seems a needless argument to make; no one would argue the Pope was an atheist right?

Oh contrairi, there have been and continue to be be some fundamentalist Christians who dislike the Pope and Catholicism intensely in the first place and are trying to claim the Pope is an atheist or the anti-Christ or whatnot. Might they not lie and distort his evo position to advance that idea? Yes I think they owuld and I'd bet they have been.


And there are also elements in the developing world among the Islamic fundamentalists, with which the Catholic Church is engaged in competition for new members, who try to paint the Catholic Church as atheists or heretics or who try to in some why undercut their theitics credibility and I wouldn't be surprised if those folks also use the JP II's evolution statement with some handy distortions and misinformation to scare people away form the RCC.

So this op-ed serves several purpose; it panders to the anti-science, anti-women's rights crowd here in the States; it assuages the fears of fundamentlaists and helps in the PR battle globally against rival religious organizations; and it reminds everyone that the RCC doe snot endorse atheism via evo or anything else.



#31420: — 07/09  at  03:36 PM
I don't know if it's fair to say that "women had fewer teeth than men based on his philosophy that women are inferior to men."
Don't forget that the last teeth to emerge are called wisdom teeth. These last teeth are therefore the most likely to be missing from an individual, barring rough behaviour. So is there any evidence that ancient Greeks had that view of those teeth? Is there any evidence that some genetic or environmental cause could have led to women in ancient Greece to be lacking visible signs of these teeth (eg smaller jaws and impactions) - in particular what skulls do we have from Aristotle's time and place?



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