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Friday, December 02, 2005

Horror and Pity

Nightline ran a program on a weird group in Washington, DC—you can watch it at One Good Move. Be prepared to be creeped out.

The program was called "Faith Matters", and it's not clear whether Nightline was going for high irony or was sincere. It's about the Justice House of Prayer, an anti-abortion group whose strategy was to rent an apartment with windows facing roughly in the direction of the Supreme Court, where "interns" jump up and down and rant and pray towards the Court, apparently under the impression that they will have some psychic influence on the justices, or that their all-powerful god requires constant nudging and needs to be aimed in the right physical direction to have an effect. I get the idea they imagine their god as a vast, logy blimp without much consciousness, and if only they tug on his supernatural guidewires enough, they can position him over the court building…at which time he'll reach down with fat, bloated fingers and diddle about in the brains of the people below him. It's a strange, primitive theology, cult-like and absurd.

What's sad, though, is that the organizer behind this, Lou Engle, almost certainly believes fervently in this nonsense, and he is getting lots of money. He mentions that this apartment costs $7000/month, and he's getting a salary. They have 70 interns, each of whom pays $1500 for the privilege of spending 3 months in the program—that's over $400,000/year flowing into Engle's coffers.

What do the interns do?

The main goal of the JHOP internship is to expose interested persons to the unique worship and intercession model of JHOP. During this time, we fully expect that each intern will experience personal growth in areas of devotion to the Lord as well as discovering and using their gifts in the context of community and the house of prayer. The interns will also be intricately involved in the operation and experience of the prayer room as they receive continuous teaching and guidance from Lou Engle and other national and local leaders.

They dance. They chant. They pray. They scream. They bob back and forth, they jump up and down. They're like a mob of dervishes, hysterical, freakish, ineffectual, deluded.

They pay $1500 for 3 months of brain-damaging validation of insanity.

People ask why I despise religion. Try watching this video through my eyes, and maybe you'll understand. This religion is an excuse to strip young people of their minds and their dignity, indoctrinate them in brainless mob behavior, and rationalize craziness—so that they are willing to overlook the foolishness of their mentors. That video documents a disease.

Pedophile Catholic priests get a lot of outraged attention, but they violate the body; it's the destruction of thinking minds that is even worse, and that's the part of religion almost everyone glosses over. What a shame that in a country blind to the evils of religion, a corrupter like Lou Engle gets money tossed to him.


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Comments:
#51654: Jonathan Badger — 12/02  at  08:42 AM
"It's a strange, primitive theology, cult-like and absurd."

Actually, it reminds me a bit of the cultists in Cthulhu mythos stories -- they were always trying to guide some mindless god like Azathoth or Groth into a position where it would smite their enemies/bring about the endtimes. Typically, the cultists get smoten instead.



#51658: Adam Ierymenko — 12/02  at  08:56 AM
You know... this brings up something that came into my mind a while back.

Does anyone else see a parallel between some of this current evangelical craziness and the crazier fringes of the New Age / consciousness movement of the 60s, 70s, and 80s? Outbreaks of really wacky mysticism seem to be a perennial event in American culture, and in most cases they are fads that pass. I wonder if we're seeing one of those now.

Unfortunately, these wildfires of insanity often leave behind cultural edifaces that are distinctly anti-progressive. The 70s stuff left behind the more luddite wing of the green movement, which has held back our technological progress with a haze of vague medieval fear ever since. This outbreak will likely lead to restriction in the arena of genetic technology as well as the destriction of reproductive freedom and cultural liberty.

The "70s stuff" is why we are still burning coal rather than decaying uranium for energy. This outbreak could be why, in 30 years, we will still be living only 80 year average life spans instead of 150.

I agree with PZ's dislike of religion, but I take it a bit further. It's not just religion that I dislike... I also extend that to... well... whatever this "thought pattern" is. It's hard to even define, but I know it when I see it.

When I say "God is dead" I mean "the thought pattern that is typified by religion" not a specific deity or ideology. Unfortunately, it's not dead yet. But it needs to die. The general cognitive pattern that characterizes all of these movements is what we need to kill.

BTW, on a side note, does anyone see vague parallels between the Discovery Institute and a place called the Esalen institute? I always have, especially at the level of pure aesthetics. Think "reactionary modernism." (The reactionary nature of the new age is not readily apparent to us because the new age is composed of eastern and occult rather than western religious reactionary ideas.)



#51660: — 12/02  at  09:04 AM
Does anyone else see a parallel between some of this current evangelical craziness and the crazier fringes of the New Age / consciousness movement of the 60s, 70s, and 80s?

Actually, there's a direct line between 1960s and '70s mysticism and modern charismatic/evangelical groups via the Vineyard movement. Strange, spooky cultish stuff -- the comparison with Cthulu cults seems somehow spot on to me.



#51661: fearless leader — 12/02  at  09:07 AM
Does anyone else see a parallel...?

Oh, absolutely. Great point.

Your dyed in the faux wool animal rights activist who hangs on Jeremy Rifkin's every word is no less a fundamentalist than the 700 Club viewer demographic.

Neither is really worth popping an artery over.



#51662: Ronald Brak — 12/02  at  09:09 AM
I really don't get this Christian obsession with abortion. It's always abortion this, abortion that. It makes you think the Bible must be chock full of references to abortion. Well I went to Biblegateway.com searchable bible today and entered the term abortion and found zero references. There are 27 references to mildew however. You would think they would give up this abortion stuff and try to get the Supreme Court to pass laws against people leaving their clothes in the washer overnight.



#51667: Johnny Vector — 12/02  at  09:25 AM
John Updike, S.

'Nuff said.



#51668: — 12/02  at  09:27 AM
IIRC, there have been attempts by devotees of Transcendental Meditation to bring down urban crime rates by getting together and meditating at them <i>really hard<>. The step after that is to find a tiny fluctuation in the day to day rate and misidentify it as "proof" of a successful experiment.

I have to wonder- could our species' perennial predilection for woo-woo thinking have a biological basis? Was it somehow, at some time in the distant past, a useful adaptation for some bunch of early hominids?



#51670: Com$tock — 12/02  at  09:40 AM
Delightfully felicitous writing. I'm on board with the sentiments, too. But I was struck by the claim that pedophile priests only violate the bodies of the children they molest. Surely the minds of these kids are affected, too, and almost certainly for the worse. Am I misunderstanding?



's avatar #51671: PZ Myers — 12/02  at  09:43 AM
You are correct. Pedophile priests do do psychological harm.

Damn them all!

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#51673: — 12/02  at  09:52 AM

#51662: Ronald Brak — 12/02 at 09:09 AM
Well I went to Biblegateway.com searchable bible today and entered the term abortion and found zero references.

You've got to know the right code words.

2 Kings 15: 16 "Then Menahem smote Tiphsah, and all that were therein, and the coasts thereof from Tirzah: because they opened not to him, therefore he smote it; and all the women therein that were with child he ripped up."

Numbers 31 Massacre of the Midianites. On God's orders, Moses leads a slaughter of the Midianite tribe, including
"[17] Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
[18] But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."

For other examples:
Evil Bible
Skeptic's Annotated Bible

From the S.A.N.:
What the Bible says about abortion



#51674: Lya Kahlo — 12/02  at  09:57 AM
Complete insanity. Fool and their money really are easily parted. This has to be a sham. This guy is a great con man.



#51675: — 12/02  at  09:58 AM
Does anyone else see a parallel between some of this current evangelical craziness and the crazier fringes of the New Age / consciousness movement of the 60s, 70s, and 80s? Outbreaks of really wacky mysticism seem to be a perennial event in American culture, and in most cases they are fads that pass. I wonder if we're seeing one of those now.


It reminds me a lot of the Jesus Freak movement of the 1970s.



#51678: Alon Levy — 12/02  at  10:10 AM
I have to wonder- could our species' perennial predilection for woo-woo thinking have a biological basis? Was it somehow, at some time in the distant past, a useful adaptation for some bunch of early hominids?

It's not our species, but your nation.



#51680: ajmilne — 12/02  at  10:16 AM
This religion is an excuse to strip young people of their minds and their dignity, indoctrinate them in brainless mob behavior...

Quite. As are so many. And I'd agree that's ultimately the worst thing about them. I think it's that element of their nature that serves as the wellspring of the most trouble, in the long run.



#51682: — 12/02  at  10:24 AM
They have 70 interns, each of whom pays $1500 for the privilege of spending 3 months in the program—that's over $400,000/year flowing into Engle's coffers.

I think I need to get religion and come up with a scam like this. This guy could be the next Benny Hinn...



#51683: — 12/02  at  10:35 AM
Note to interns:
Don't drink the Kool-Aid!



#51684: — 12/02  at  10:36 AM
One of the comments in the original article was great:

"Not to worry. I am leading a large prayer group in Washington too, and we pray for more abortions, and we pray twice as hard as these people, so their prayers are offset. And I don't mean to caste dispersions, we're just praying like muthafcukers yo."



#51685: — 12/02  at  10:39 AM
I watched that episode. I found it very strange and mildly disturbing as well. It left me with a few questions.

Why is abortion so bad to Christians like those on the show?

If you believe in heaven and an afterlife for the aborted fetus and that it goes immediately there then why on Earth would you not be overjoyed that they where spared the potential heartache and pain of this very finite existence?

What will they have missed in the concept of eternal time? a millisecond?

It seems to me logically an atheist has a much better argument for the pro-life stance as it recognizes this is the only life that potential human will get, the only oppurtunity for that combination of genes to exist on Earth.

It's stuff like this that makes me wonder if despite the professions(sincerely I'm sure) people really do not internalize life after death and know deep down death is death. All the rest just helps people deal with said fact.



#51686: — 12/02  at  10:47 AM
heh, heh... JHOP.

Sounds like a Java implementation of the International House of Pancakes.



#51688: — 12/02  at  11:04 AM
Does anyone else see a parallel between some of this current evangelical craziness and the crazier fringes of the New Age / consciousness movement of the 60s, 70s, and 80s?

Absolutely. This attempt to influence the Supreme Court through supernatural means reminds me of nothing so much as the 1967 attempt to levitate the Pentagon to end the war in Vietnam, chronicled by Norman Mailer in Armies of the Night. Though in fairness, Abbie Hoffman may have been kidding. JHOP certainly isn't.



#51689: — 12/02  at  11:04 AM
Pearls Before Swine had a pretty good reference to this yesterday; if you sin under an umbrella, God can't see it, so you won't get in trouble for it.

http://www.comics.com/comics/pearls/archive/pearls-20051201.html



#51691: — 12/02  at  11:10 AM
How is the behavior of a small handful of people (out of a country of nearly 300 million people) at all relevant to the characterization of religion in America?



#51692: Adam Ierymenko — 12/02  at  11:18 AM

I have to wonder- could our species' perennial predilection for woo-woo thinking have a biological basis? Was it somehow, at some time in the distant past, a useful adaptation for some bunch of early hominids?


Ahh... this is the problem with looking at everything a living thing does as a specific adaptation.

It is possible that this sort of woo-woo thinking is not an adaptation in itself... indeed it is likely not to be as it seems to be maladaptive. However, it may be an emergent effect of multiple other adaptations that are adaptive: conceptual thought, social behavior, creativity, imagination, and certain higher emotional and intuitive cognitive states and abilities.

The intuitive and emotional states that these movements tap into are not only real... they also have beneficial movements. Ecstasy is an important part of both human social behavior and creativity. However, it can also be channeled in very bad directions.



#51695: — 12/02  at  11:28 AM
Why is abortion so bad to Christians like those on the show?


I don't understand it either. It seems to me the key here is the determination that the fetus (apparently at any stage) is indeed a thinking, feeling being that an abortion murders.

But then, what doctrine of Christianity would require such a conclusion? I can't think of anything. As far as I can tell it just stems from creationist thinking (things are created fully formed, an irrational denial of the nature of especially an early fetus) and from a strong need to believe in absolutes--anything you find remotely questionable or strange must be thoroughly and completely banned.



#51696: — 12/02  at  11:36 AM
'How is the behavior of a small handful of people (out of a country of nearly 300 million people) at all relevant to the characterization of religion in America? '

This is always what hits me funny. It's not just this instance. You can always point and say these people don't represent Christianity, then look at another group say creationists and say 'they don't represent Christianity'. Or JW's and say 'they don't represent Christianity' or Catholics the same and on and on.

The simple fact is THEY DO represent Christianity. And examples of this in many forms can be seen in virtually any church in any town throughout the nation. Denying it doesn't make it not true.



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