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Monday, April 25, 2005

If that pompous ass Berlinski keeps this up, he's going to end up like those toads

I've tangled with Berlinski before, but this e-mail at Evolutionblog is incredible.

Dear Editors:

Thank you for your response. I am uninterested in posting this letter anywhere. It is intended for your eyes. I am obliged to ask you to attend precisely to what I, in fact, wrote, and not what you imagine I wrote. The sentence in question is as follows:

1) At Internet web sites such as /The Panda's Thumb /or /Talk Reason/, where various eminences repair to assure one another that all is well, it is considered clever beyond measure to attack a critic of Darwin's theory such as William Dembski by misspelling his name as William Dumbski.

a Note that my reference to /The Panda's Thumb/ and /Talk Reason/ is disjunctive and not conjunctive; and that b as a matter of logic and English grammar, 1) does /not/ imply that William Dembski's name was misspelled at /either/ The Panda's Thumb /or/ Talk Reason, although, /in fact/, it was misspelled at /The Panda's Thumb /and not /Talk Reason/.

In this regard, compare 1) with 3) At Internet web sites such as /The Panda's Thumb /or /Talk Reason/, where various eminences repair to assure one another that all is well, it is considered clever beyond measure to attack a critic of Darwin's theory such as William Dembski by insisting that his mathematical results are written in Jello.

That Dembski's mathematical results are written in Jello was a claim made at /neither/ The Panda's Thumb /nor/ Talk Reason; still the claim was considered clever beyond measure at both sites, no doubt because it /was/ clever, if not clever beyond measure.

What is at issue is whether you regard infantile verbal abuse ranging from the distasteful /(William Dumbski, How creationists suck/) to the contemptuous (/The Art of ID Stuntmen/, /Icons of Obfuscation/) as clever. I have no way directly of knowing, of course. For all I know you may collectively wince when you read such stuff. If so, you have not winced conspicuously, the more so, I am minded to add, since you seem either to have written or to endorsed some of the stuff in question.

Sincerely yours,

David Berlinski

I'm accustomed to creationists trying to bamboozle their audiences by babbling fast enough that no one can keep up; the Gish Gallop is standard operating procedure among them. This is a new tactic, an attempt to stupify the victim with superciliousness, and I hereby dub it the Berlinski Badger. I don't expect many to emulate it; the practice of focusing on irrelevant trivia and dancing dishonestly around the issues with unbelievable circumlocutions while maintaining a facade of snooty hauteur is something only a king among pompous twits can pull off.


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Comments:
#23035: Matt — 04/25  at  08:31 PM
Well, unfortunately Berlinski is a professional mathmetician who knows some logic. I'm not sure what his point was in that letter, but his point here:
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=2531&program=CSC

is clear...and yet really fairly inconsequential (if not actually wrong...selection coefficients that are very small can add up to big effects over 1000s of generations. I need to take a look at that article.)

When will these idiots get it through there thick mathheads that simply because natural selection isn't the end all be all evolutionary 'force' it once was (was it?), biologists ARE NOT at a loss to explain biological phenomena in a perfectly naturalistic way? ID is NOT just another explanation competing for acceptance.

Man I am so worked up about this stuff. I need to stop reading that idthefuture blog. It's bad for my blood pressure.



#23037: — 04/25  at  08:54 PM
Your last two sentences are superb. First-rate rhetoric on any standard. Extremely well crafted, directly on point, devastatingly effective and highly amusing. Fun to write, too, I bet.



#23039: — 04/25  at  09:03 PM
"king among pompous twits".....very nice.....very true.



#23040: Alex Merz — 04/25  at  09:22 PM
As a favorite teacher said to me, what's in the head goes on the paper.

Poor Berlinski.



#23045: — 04/25  at  09:54 PM
Matt --- ROFL. See, I considered adding IDthefuture to my RSS feeds and then realized that I'd probably end up killing or strangling the nearest ID proponent within a few days.



#23048: — 04/25  at  10:07 PM
1) Mr. Berlinski knows all too well that any e-mail he sends of this nature, would invariably be seen by people other than "the editor." Is he trying to denounce evolution by revealing to the masses that a few Evilutionists said some naughty things about him?

2) Certainly the "Jello" remark was not a shot at the mathematics themselves, but at their relevance to evolutionary theory. In this regard, it makes perfect sense.

3) There is nothing wrong with joking around - in this case, it was purely harmless (e.g. "Dumbski" sounds like toddler material; it really shouldn't be taken seriously).

4) That manner of prose is truly bizarre... I felt, for a moment, as if I was having another god damn flashback.

Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

-Jerry Garcia



#23052: Alex Merz — 04/25  at  10:28 PM
Abstract:

Berlinski downs Jell-o shots.



's avatar #23054: Nullifidian — 04/25  at  10:32 PM
Berlinski's diatribe reminded me of nothing so much as James Thurber's classic put-down of the phony wine expert hauteur: “It's a naïve little burgundy, but I think you'll be amused at its presumption.”

"We are obliged, therefore, to spread the news, painful and bitter though it may be for some to hear, that all living things on earth are kindred.” Edward Abbey, Desert Solitaire



#23055: — 04/25  at  10:43 PM
Classic Berlinski. He is clearly a touch typist, because no one could ever see the keyboard with his nose so high up in the air. Pompous twit, educated beyond his ability to express clearly, cutting rhetorical capers in his own version of anthropoidal display behavior.



's avatar #23058: — 04/25  at  11:20 PM
Berlinski having said "a" should have continued with "b" but there is no paragraph "b". Where is Section (2)? I would enjoy having some substantial anti-evolution staff to ruminate on and demolish, but Berlinski's letter offers none. I have to satisfy myself with a critique of his pompous, vacuous, pretentious, pseudo-logical style. My Father would have said: Moyshe machte groys (Moses inflates himself to look big).

Quod natura non sunt turpia



#23059: Rana — 04/25  at  11:39 PM
I'm simply impressed that anyone kept reading after the first few sentences.

And I say this as a person who used to read some pretty dense cultural theory back when I was getting paid to do so.



#23060: — 04/25  at  11:40 PM
For some reason Mr. Berlinski reminds of the Master Thespian and Baudelaire skit from Saturday Night Live. (Sorry, Mr. Berlinski.)

http://snltranscripts.jt.org/85/85dthespian.phtml



#23065: — 04/26  at  01:33 AM
Is English not his native language? Or is that written in some other language that I seem to vaguely recognize? If he does in fact speak English, I can only assume that he wrote that incoherent treatise after drinking several bottles of wine. Vino veritas.



#23071: ~DS~ — 04/26  at  05:49 AM
Pretty ballsey to gripe about being called names by commentators when the caucus of ID has routinely compared 'Darwinists' to everything from fascists to Stalinists ... up to an including flat out calling critics of ID Nazis or on par with Torquamada .



#23076: — 04/26  at  07:21 AM
And I say this as a person who used to read some pretty dense cultural theory back when I was getting paid to do so.
No doubt.

It was as if I had been time warped back to my sophomore year in college, attempting to read Chaucer at 2:30am, and not without a slight-to-moderate buzz.

Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

-Jerry Garcia



#23081: Bryson Brown — 04/26  at  08:19 AM
Maybe someone ought to tell Berlinske that sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, and that the odd insult (pretty mild by my standards) is guaranteed to come your way when you stake out an aggressive political position... Of course it would be wasted effort.

But there is something downright pathological about this excess of detail, not to mention the painfully stilted prose. There's hot resentment simmering under the surface, and I'm sure it's not really about the trivial complaints he's talking about. More likely, it's that (like so many of his fellow-travellers) he honestly thinks he's proven that naturalistic evolution is untenable, and the biologists just won't listen. Boo-hoo. I had a student a few years ago who thought he'd proven Godel's incompleteness result was a mistake. He was incorrigible, too...



#23084: — 04/26  at  08:42 AM
I don't find anything dense in Berlinski's prose, he merely seems to write in a Joycian stream-of-consciousness style. Unfortunately, unlike James Joyce's, his seems to betray a lack of education. Anyone structuring a sentence as follows:

'[Point Number] 1) does not imply that William Dembski's name was misspelled at either The Panda's Thumb or Talk Reason, although, in fact, it was misspelled at The Panda's Thumb and not Talk Reason.'

ought to think twice before applying pen to paper. Added to the unfortunate anacoluthon in the third paragraph where the author attempts to discuss a 'matter of logic and English grammar', this makes the whole experience quite surreal.



#23086: — 04/26  at  09:04 AM
I once had to deal with a government contract monitor who seemed to have trouble explaining exactly what he thought and how we should proceed on some given program. We would go back to the office and try to figure out what he meant us to do. I used to think that he had trouble expressing himself. Then I realized that he was expressing himself perfectly. He was conveying to us exactly what was in his head: nonsense. I believe that this e-mail from Berlinski gives us a real insight into what is in his head. And it's not pretty.



#23087: Ron Sullivan — 04/26  at  09:13 AM
Oh my lack of God, Jeebus, how can you compare this mess with Chaucer? Chaucer is hard to understand if that's your first exposure to Middle English, but at least the words flow. This, ugh, it's like some unholy cross between a turd and a caltrops.



#23089: — 04/26  at  09:34 AM
Ron, you're right... Chaucer is splendid.

I was just referring to each sample's power to necessitate the reading of every phrase 7-8 times (well, only initially with Chaucer), before granting comprehension.

Admittedly, however, I'm still trying to figure out what Berlinski is actually trying to say.

Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

-Jerry Garcia



#23092: Burt Humburg — 04/26  at  10:43 AM
Berlinski cited Icons of Obfuscation as something offensive?

I guess offense is in the eye of the beholder. I thought Matzke went too easy on Wells.

BCH



#23093: — 04/26  at  11:05 AM
I'm no defender of creationism, ID, etc, but all this guy's saying, albeit poorly, is that sarcasm and character assassination don't make for convincing arguments. He's suggesting that the sites he lists engage in that, by misspelling peoples' names, etc. He hopes y'all don't approve.
I think he thinks you do.

Hope that helps.



#23094: Phila — 04/26  at  11:11 AM
This might get me banned for life, but I feel kind of bad for Berlinski. I read his book "Black Mischief" about 20 years ago and actually enjoyed large stretches of it. Though it definitely had its pompous and offensive moments, its discussion of Godel and linguistic theory was excellent. He's not an ignorant man by any means, nor is he normally a bad writer, though English is indeed not his first language. He claims not to be a creationist, and to have pretty much rejected ID...so why is he persisting with all these silly vendettas, and why has he reached this absolute nadir of laborious, pompous nitpicking?

My guess is that he's seeing these debates as a matter of personal honor, and has become more concerned with scoring illusory "points" against his horde of opponents than with using his time and energy wisely (by publishing papers on mathematics, for instance). It wouldn't be the first time that sheer vanity led someone into stupid, counterproductive behavior. I imagine he pictures himself as Errol Flynn, holding a dozen villains at sword's point. It's kind of tragic, IMO.



#23098: — 04/26  at  12:00 PM
Shall we remember what Berlinski "cleverly" wrote just prior to his whine about the supposed admiration of "cleverness" in writing the word "Dumbski"?

Wearing pink tasseled slippers and conical hats covered in polka dots, Darwinian
biologists are persuaded that a plot is afoot to make them look silly.


But he just grinds on and on defending the unevidenced and senseless charge that we find the use of "Dumbski" to be clever. Isn't it more probable that he is really unhappy that we don't find his writing to be clever?

I think his latest trivial email could have been printed without comment as an appropriate epitaph to his attempts to critique evolution. Now he's simply trying to defend inept flailings.



#23100: — 04/26  at  12:25 PM
Jim Maughn, on Panda's thumb, one of the sites Berlinski mentions, they had a look at his claims when they first came out, and found one, possibly unintentional, mention of "Dumbski", i.e. it was not even intended to attack his arguments merely by misspelling his name. Therefore most people here who have read that earlier post or something similar havnt commented on the intention that name calling is wrong, because they know Berlinski is, well, being silly.



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