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Sunday, August 21, 2005

Is this elitism?

Diane Carman says:

Quick: Define miosis and mitosis. Explain mitochondrion and chloroplast. Now briefly, what's RNA?

The biology teachers assembled at the University of Colorado last week for a seminar on teaching evolution know most Americans are clueless about basic science.

They find our ignorance exasperating.

But it also explains a lot.

With most people content with being scientifically illiterate, it's no wonder so many believe intelligent design is a scientific theory.

It unequivocally is not.

It's a religious belief, a political issue or an abomination destined to cripple Americans in global scientific achievement, depending on your point of view. But it is not a legitimate counterpart to the theory of evolution.

She's hit on a central reason why Intelligent Design creationism has acquired a popular following in the US—good old-fashioned home-grown ignorance. It's more than that, though. I expect that in the case of some of pious philosophers and right-wing con artists of the Discovery Institute, they would be able to answer those questions at the top (she set the bar low…those are extraordinarily basic questions in cell biology), and could probably recite some other simple facts about cells, too. In those cases, we also have to recognize that there are people with an ideological axe to grind, who have consciously gone out to acquire some superficial knowledge about the discipline so they can destroy it. You can't get more blatant than Jonathan Wells on that one.

"Father's [Moon's] words, my studies, and my prayers convinced me that I should devote my life to destroying Darwinism, just as many of my fellow Unificationists had already devoted their lives to destroying Marxism. When Father chose me to enter a PhD program in 1978, I welcomed the opportunity to prepare myself for battle."

One part of the recipe is a set of leaders who aim to demolish a scientific principle, not because it is wrong, but because they don't like its consequences. Another part is a citizenry (and politicians) sufficiently ignorant that they don't recognize the con job the leaders pull on them. The US has both.

Carman's column is a good read that makes an important point strongly, but there is one little piece to which I object.

…some at the seminar suggested that creationism or its politically correct descendant, intelligent design, should be taught in social studies, history or philosophy class along with other creation ideas such as those of the Iroquois, the Chinese and the Egyptians.

As a biologist, I admit to sometimes thinking that would be a fair compromise. But as a professor at a liberal arts institution who respects his colleagues in the social sciences, history, and philosophy…well, that's not nice. Intelligent Design creationism is a poor and artificial philosophy with no respectable history, and old school creationism is junk religion. They don't belong in a serious curriculum.

And yeah, that is elitism. If elitism means wanting all of my compatriots to be educated and informed, and expecting that policy will be set by those who actually know something about the subject, then I'm guilty.

Crossposted to The American Street

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Comments:
#36856: — 08/22  at  07:50 AM
Is that a pitcher of the fabled moonbat on the main page? Quick call Art Bell and the 101st Keyboard Kommandos.



#36863: polymath — 08/22  at  08:15 AM
i actually think there is a place in the liberal arts curriculum for mentioning ID, but it's certainly not in a science classroom. a political science class could legitimately study how the DI positions ID as a wedge issue. an anthropology class could include it in a survey of creation myths and their effects on the culture that produced them. an american studies course could include it in a course about the history and consequences of american fundamentalism.

ID is a substantial cultural movement with significant social costs, and academic study of its origins and strategy might bring to the forefront the more subtle reasons it has caught on. the more we know, the better we can oppose it.



#36868: Matt McIrvin — 08/22  at  08:46 AM
Thanks, Alon. I'd tried unsuccessfully to find numbers for the plants vs. cyanobacteria breakdown... With Google I found lots of simplified-sounding popular descriptions that described oxygen as coming from green plants, and lots of other sites describing how it all initially came from cyanobacteria back when the Earth got an oxidizing atmosphere, but not much putting it all together.



#36875: ekzept — 08/22  at  09:31 AM
on the source of oxygen issue, while i don't have time right now to find the answer, i thought i'd "murk up" things further. there was a report i recall in the early 1970s indicating that a chunk of oxygen production came from ultraviolet splitting of some precursor substance ... don't recall if it was water or what. i remember that the amount cited was a surprise. i've not heard of it since, so it may have been an off-the-wall observation since explained by something else.



#36878: coturnix — 08/22  at  09:39 AM
Dinoflaggelates in the ocean? Isn't that why some people advocate "seeding" the oceans with nitrogen waste?



#36883: — 08/22  at  10:05 AM

Is this elitism?

Yes, I suppose that competence is a form of elitism.



#36910: — 08/22  at  11:19 AM
There is an old story of a school principal walking in on teacher teaching how to add fractions. The teacher wrote:

1/2 + 1/3 = 2/5

"That's Wrong!!!" shouts the principal. "But they understand it this way" replies the teacher.

I think people like ID because it is "easier" to understand. All you have to "know" is God did it. No messy and complicated things to learn.



#36930: — 08/22  at  12:19 PM
Who objects to Creationism and/or I.D. theory being safely taught in Poly Sci, American Anthropology, or the philosophy of wester relgion survey classes?
I mean, if Oberlin, a coeducational arts and science college, offered a 1 credit class on the 90's TV show "My So-Called Life", I think justifcation could be made for religious extremism grappled with in the classroom.

caynazzo



#36954: — 08/22  at  02:24 PM
Matt: google on Prochlorococcus marinus and be enlightened.

This little baby is probably the most abundant photosynthetic organism in existence, and yet we didn't even know it existed until a few years ago.



#36958: — 08/22  at  02:43 PM
In fact, wow, have a look at this. Dufresne et al on genetic minimalism in P. marinus. That organism is seriously pruned for an autotroph.



#36984: — 08/22  at  05:19 PM
There are lots of tests of scientific literacy, and I'd probably flunk the bio one (it's been a long, long time since I need to know much about cell division and various organelles), but that doesn't stop me from being able to tell good science from bad science.

I think the problem isn't that we don't teach our kids much science, it's that we don't teach our kids to think. Teaching them ID would be teaching them now NOT to think.



#36995: — 08/22  at  06:10 PM
Many of the comments regarding the proper curriculum to teach ID miss the danger...
"i actually think there is a place in the liberal arts curriculum for mentioning ID
In a university? In a philosophy class? (Not happy, but I'm still breathing).
That is not what the ID community is going for. They do not want MIT. They want Grant Ave. Middle School. They want to teach this nonsense to grade school and high school children. (Get 'em while they're young!).



#37018: John Landon — 08/22  at  09:17 PM
The Peer Review Fetish

Listening to Lou Dobbs on CNN, there was a short debate on the ID/Darwinism issue, with the homiletic injunction by the Darwin defender of the importance of peer review. This is the frequent demand in almost hushed tones of the NCSE spokesmen/women, and is also a staple of the ID crew, who seem to covet the mystique of the PhD who dissents from ol' Darwin. Noone seems able to explain how two opposite dialectic poles could both meaningfully pass peer review. Clearly all these well-trained logical people are able to focus narrowly on their widget specialties without being able to come to any conclusions on evolution.

Time to get one thing straight. Peer Review on the subject of evolution is a bunch of crap. Don't be taken in by this new form of censorship in disguise from the organizations of Big Science. Darwin's theory is one of the most vulgar pieces of bad theory ever proposed, and has killed a lot of people, so let's dispense with this idiocy about how the theory of natural selection has been proven, is a theory at all, or should be taken seriously because a bunch of Science Big Shots give it their peer review endorsement.

Peer review works well enough in physics and other hard sciences, but it clearly doesn't work on the subject of evolutionary theory. Period.

The reverse is nearly true. Any peer reviewed work on Darwinism is immediately suspect. The poor author was either brainwashed, or else, if he was half way intelligent, to make the cost of feeding his dog, he had to compromise, lie, dissemble or remain silent on evolution to get ahead and graduate. The result is a horde of technically trained specialists who can't deal with the flaws in Darwinism.

Remember, as a citizen, the burdern of understanding is up to you, not what experts try to fob off on you, and you must assess the advice of experts without being mesmerized. It is your responsibility to get it straight. Darwin's theory, even as we speak, is being used somewhere to kill someone, in the name of evolutionary advance.
The advice of specialists may be worth listening to, but if you suspect ideology, and Darwinism is rank with ideology, then the claims of authority are out the window. It is time the whole grimy crud of the Darwin deception was laughed out of the ball park.
So much for peer review. Don't be had by this nonsense.

In the words of Soren Lovtrup, a peer reviewed embryologist from the biology underground,
"I believe that one day the Darwinian myth will be ranked the greatest deceit in the history of science. When this happens many people will pose the question: How did this ever happen?" Soren Lovtrup, Darwinism: Refutation of a Myth, p. 422.



#37029: ekzept — 08/22  at  11:32 PM
Listening to Lou Dobbs on CNN, there was a short debate on the ID/Darwinism issue...
etc.

are all those words yours, Mr Landon? or did you overlook separating out your opinion from others? i will assume all the words are yours and represent your personal view, a leap i take judging by the contents of your Web site.

Don't be taken in by this new form of censorship in disguise from the organizations of Big Science. Darwin's theory is one of the most vulgar pieces of bad theory ever proposed, and has killed a lot of people, so let's dispense with this idiocy about how the theory of natural selection has been proven, is a theory at all, or should be taken seriously because a bunch of Science Big Shots give it their peer review endorsement.
"...this new form of censorship in disguise...": if "organizations of Big Science" are censoring science to support evolution and "Darwin's theory", why is it "new"?

regarding the term "Big Science", do you imply scientists should not associate with one another in the form of the AAAS or the AGU? or should the National Academy of Sciences be disbanded, being as it is, a creature of Congress, signed into law by Abraham Lincoln?

provide specific historical evidence of your claim "Darwin's theory ... has killed a lot of people".

if there's "big science", what is "small science"? is it the Discovery Institute?
Peer review works well enough in physics and other hard sciences, but it clearly doesn't work on the subject of evolutionary theory.
what precisely is the difference between "physics and other hard sciences" and evolutionary theory? what, in your great and educated opinion, then, is the disposition of "[url="http://tinyurl.com/73nsd"]Application of quantitative models from population biology and
evolutionary game theory to tumor therapeutic strategies[/url]"? is that an example of how peer review "doesn't work on the subject
of evolutionary theory"? i presume the Lotka-Volterra equations of that article are products of the imaginations of " technically trained specialists who can't deal with the flaws in Darwinism".
burdern of understanding is up to you, not what experts try to fob off on you, and you must assess the advice of experts without being mesmerized. It is your responsibility to get it straight.
rather, it seems to me that the your specific axe you are grinding is akin to that of inventors of perpetual motion machines, the poorly understood, persecuted, fringe small guy, the believer in UFOs and alien abductions, who knows how to draw football plays but doesn't understand mathematics, evidence, or logic, and who is going up against people who tell him he hasn't the evidence, hasn't the stuff, and hasn't learned what needs to be learned to know the truth. to really know something is very difficult, demands experiment and observation, demands great care, and cannot be done as an individual in isolation. there cannot be science without organizations and networks of scientists and means of publication and peer review. science is far from creating nice soundbites for ABC or Lou Dobbs, it is almost diammetrically opposite that.

to know something without understanding it at the level of mathematics is a shabby kind of knowing. there are also things we will never know.
I don't feel frightened by not knowing things, by being lost in the mysterious universe without having any purpose, which is the way it really is, as far as I can tell, possibly. It doesn't frighten me.
--Richard Feynmann.



#37057: Alon Levy — 08/23  at  07:55 AM
It sounds like satire, but we all know about distinguishing satire from reality.



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