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Thursday, April 29, 2004

Isn't that special?

Echoed on the Panda's Thumb

Have you ever heard of the Manmin Research Center, and the Jaerock Lee Ministry? Neither have I, but William Dembski has—and he’s been following it for years. He has recently even endorsed it.



The ministry of the Manmin Church is quite remarkable, and I have been following it now for several years. As a scientist, I tend to be skeptical about events that are supposed to be miracles. Yet as a Christian, I also know that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and that there is nothing to prevent the power of God from working miraculous events. Having visited the Manmin Church and having seen the news reports of Rev. Dr. Jae-Rock Lee’s ministry around the globe, I am persuaded that God truly is manifesting himself with works of power through this ministry. There is a great need for people to experience the power of God in their lives. I therefore commend “Manmin World News” for emphasizing this aspect of the Christian life that is so often neglected in the West.


--- Dr. William A. Dembski (Author of “Intelligent Design")

The Rev. Lee Jae-rock is a Korean faith healer. He claims to have cured cancer, made the deaf hear, and made women pregnant (wait, hey, I’ve done that—but Lee Jae-Rock does it without using his hands or errm, other appendages), and turned saltwater into fresh by prayer. And this isn’t just ordinary water, it has super powers!

Moreover healing effects of the water have been reported continually. And interestingly tens of people got beautiful folded eyelids without plastic surgery by applying the water on their upper eyelids.

As you might guess, he has strong opinions about evolution (I wish, just once, one of these guys would have strong contrarian opinions about, say, organic chemistry).

Whereas, evolution supporters think that the origin of life chanced to come into being and it had evolved into an organism, and the organism developed into all kinds of living creatures. And they say that among the developed living creatures only the fittest have survived and man has evolved from common ancestor of men and apes. As the result, they have no hope of the heavenly kingdom because they don’t believe in God. And they cannot but seek after only the human happiness on the earth and enjoy themselves at their utmost. In brief, they have the impudence to agree with the naturalism apart from seeking after the glory of God.

What is more important, we Christians should distinguish the evolutionism based on naturalism from the creation on the faith to God. Is the evolution really reliable? It is the first gate to the Road of the Cross to understand how God created all things in the heavens and the earth and made or taught man.

He’s also very much in favor of good old Intelligent Design creationism. Lee Jae-Rock is one-up on Dembski, though, because he has evidence! How can you argue with this?


We can present many medically and scientifically confirmed cases of miracles through Revd. Dr. Lee Jae-Rock, which may be the actual evidence of the supernatural intervention. We cautiously propose that this may be the clue to the very supernatural power, the causation of the origin of life and all the complex specified information of the universe.

That’s right, proof of Intelligent Design by miracle. No wonder Dembski is a fan, that’s exactly what he needs to salvage his reputation!

Oh, and the Revd. Dr. Lee Jae-Rock hosts revival meetings, and has his own TV show. That’s right, he’s a televangelist. Dembski is officially scraping the bottom of the barrel.

Let’s look again at that endorsement.



The ministry of the Manmin Church is quite remarkable, and I have been following it now for several years. As a scientist, I tend to be skeptical about events that are supposed to be miracles.

Dembski’s advanced degrees are in mathematics, philosophy, and theology. He does not practice science. It’s arguable that he lacks even a minimal understanding of the concepts of the scientific method. Under no circumstances can he justify calling himself a scientist.

Note the classic structure of that last sentence—I’ve seen it many times. “I was skeptical, but...” means the person is about to announce that he isn’t skeptical at all. And entirely true to form...


Yet as a Christian, I also know that Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever, and that there is nothing to prevent the power of God from working miraculous events.

Bingo.

Having visited the Manmin Church and having seen the news reports of Rev. Dr. Jae-Rock Lee’s ministry around the globe, I am persuaded that God truly is manifesting himself with works of power through this ministry.

Seriously. Dembski believes Lee Jae-Rock is pulling miracles out of his hat? Are we supposed to trust Dembski when he pontificates on science after this? He’s clearly a willing victim of the Argument from Personal Credulity.


There is a great need for people to experience the power of God in their lives. I therefore commend “Manmin World News” for emphasizing this aspect of the Christian life that is so often neglected in the West.

There is a perfectly reasonable sentiment in there—yes, it is fine for a religious person to believe in the virtues of religiosity in people’s lives. But...this guy Jae-Rock is simply yet another holy charlatan, a faith-healing phony who preys on people’s fears. Is this what a leading light of the Intelligent Design creationism movement aspires to, the elevation of patent con-artists to spiritual leaders?


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Comments:
#2052: Reed A. Cartwright — 04/29  at  04:18 PM
If Dembski endorces Lee's Ministry does that mean that Lee will endorce Dembski's BBQ?



#2053: — 04/29  at  06:16 PM
As a scientist, Dembski ought to announce in Nature, Science, Lancet, NEJM, and anywhere else that he has found the CURE FOR CANCER!

Does Lee's magic water work for cold fusion, too?



#2054: — 04/29  at  07:30 PM
The next question is why haven't such miracle-workers put the mainstream medical profession out of business. Could it be that godless, materialistic medicine actually succeeds?



#2055: — 04/29  at  07:41 PM
(I wish, just once, one of these guys would have strong contrarian opinions about, say, organic chemistry)

If they would they would get more folks with "biology" backgrounds joining them. Most of my Bio students have quit contrary opinions about organic chemistry. (well at least they hate it.)



#2056: Ben — 04/29  at  11:09 PM
medically and scientifically confirmed cases of miracles

I doubt I've ever seen a more staggering contradiction in terms in my life...



#2057: — 04/30  at  02:27 AM
Wow, with all this Jesus-charged cancer curin' it looks like its time to launch the IM movement - Intelligent Medicine. Traditional materialist medical science is on its last shakey leg. Did you know there are even things that doctors don't understand yet!? Its time they put this Jesus Heals theory into school - equal time, teach the controversy, etc. etc.



#2058: — 04/30  at  01:36 PM
Such medicine would include therapies like:

Exorcism
Magical spit therapy

It may even be desirable to keep a herd of pigs handy to serve as hosts for particularly troublesome demons, and to have some open space for them to stampede in.



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