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Wednesday, July 06, 2005

Kabbalah Water? Pseudoscientific hokum.

Gary Farber learns that Madonna will only drink something called Kabbalah Water, which has magic healing powers. It's a simple, familiar scam. Start with something common and cheap, like water, and claim to have added all kinds of mystical properties to it, for which they will charge you extra. It costs the con artist nothing. This is classic mumbo-jumbo:

Yehuda Berg the son of the Kabbalah Centre's founder claims, "We charge the water with positive energy, so that it has healing powers."

"Positive energy" is just the kind of empty phrase these con-artists love. It sounds so good…but of course, there's no way to measure this "energy". The other thing the magic water scammers do is doctor up their claims with a lot of pseudoscientific jargon, as in this example from Clustered Water.

In the human body, there are two basic types of water (biological Water): Bound water and Cluster. Cluster or free water is able to move freely through the cell walls and is instrumental to transport nutrients, remove waste, and maintain proper communication between the cells. Bound water, on the other hand, is water that becomes physically bound to other molecular structures and is unable to move freely through the cell walls.

Pure, unadulterated bullshit. Another company, Penta Water, has been pulling the same crap, and James Randi's account of how he tried to pin these greased weasels down (Part 1 and Part 2) makes for good reading.

By the way, if you are a clustered water huckster, avoid chemists. They might just dismantle your claims on the spot, or put together a careful debunking of the whole concept, along with a description of the actual structure of water. Good science is always the enemy of lies.

Somehow, I suspect Madonna doesn't have many qualifications in chemistry.


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Comments:
#30983: — 07/06  at  10:42 AM
I'd say her chemistry is at least as good as Tom Cruise's psychiatry.



#30984: — 07/06  at  11:03 AM
On a slightly related and a perverse political note . . .

Katherine Harris, the former secretary of state that probably put the rubber stamp on the Bush Florida election fox of 2000, promoted a Kaballah water magical citrus canker cure to the Florida Department of Agriculture.

Jesus' General has an interesting take on the story along with a an appropiriate picture of the electioneering alchemist herself. http://patriotboy.blogspot.com/

The link to the Orlando Sentinel article is below.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/orl-aseccanker05070505jul05,0,3793083.story?page=1&coll=orl-home-headlines



#30985: — 07/06  at  11:21 AM
Steve, you don't know the history of chemistry. Madonna obviously does. Did you know that Stalinist Russia employed a number of chemists? And that chemistry was originally called Tamburlaineism? And that the influenza epidemic of 1918 was spread by infected chemists deliberately licking doorknobs all over the globe in between bouts of kicking puppies? Chemistry is destroying the youth of this country, and Madonna just wants to help.



's avatar #30987: — 07/06  at  11:58 AM
It may be bullshit water, but Madonna hit on a good idea. All over the world people is having less and less confidence in the purity and wholesomeness of tap water, and are buying bottled, branded, mineral, processed waters. As a water-man, I see in Kabbalah Water a great potential. Presumably it is kosher, meaning that has none of the micro-fauna normally present in surface waters, and it may be consumed with milk products (Orthodox Jews dont consume meat and milk in the same meal). It must be produced and bottled under strict ritual supervision in addition to Government health control. However, I doubt it is from Canada, since Canada has forbidden the sale of its water to the USA. Maybe bottled water is exempted. Water is the most magic of all commodities, and I am not talking about the Kabbala Water.

Quod natura non sunt turpia



#30989: — 07/06  at  12:06 PM
I cannot tell whether jaimito is being sarcastic or not, but paying for Kabbalah Water is no crazier than paying for Evian Water or any of those other brands.

In the US, at least, municipal tap water is almost always better quality than bottled water and costs about 4,000 times less.



#30990: — 07/06  at  12:09 PM
A neighbor of mine brings me cases of Penta water all the time because he apparently works for the company. It tastes great, just like any filtered or purified water. I had never heard of Penta but figured it was just another brand. Until he started trying to show me videos of the special properties of Penta. Pulling out pictures of experiments with electrodes and clean clear Penta next to muddy impure [name brand]. Reciting Testimonials. Blustering about with some sort of description of this patented process and this new kind of water structure, and body absorption and pH balance. Uh oh. Suddenly I was struck with memories of a "Pi Water" huckster I met a couple of years ago. Both of these people truly believe all the pseudoscience; they're not fraudulent, just tragically ignorant.

What is it with WATER?! It's the new alchemy.



#30991: Orac — 07/06  at  12:16 PM
This sounds a lot like homeopathy, and why not? If homeopaths can convince the gullible that a substance diluted by a factor much greater than Avagadro's number still retains a "memory" of the therapeutic abilities of that substance, then why not Madonna pushing Kabbalah water where supposedly "positive" energy (that can't be measured, of course)?

--
Orac “A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”
http://oracknows.blogspot.com



#30996: Ben — 07/06  at  12:30 PM
Amusingly, after the Guardian's Bad Science column suggested that perhaps Penta's product wasn't all it cracked up to be, they started sending threatening text messages to the writer of the column, then panicked when he called the police and had to get Max Clifford to smooth things over. Bless 'em.

I tried to googlebomb 'Penta Water' with a link to the column, but alas it's languishing down in 6th place.



's avatar #30997: Hank Fox — 07/06  at  12:33 PM
I have no problem believing in plain water and cluster water, since I happen to know from frequent experience at my job that a cluster f*ck is different from a regular f*ck.

I used to do graphic design years back, and one of my clients was a chiropractor who had come up with these "flower essences" to market to the homeopathic crowd. In a more naive and trusting moment of my life, I did the labels and brochure/catalog for him. The little vials he was selling contained "floral essences" of the local plants, and "solarized, potentized water." Out of all the "flowery" description he gave me, I got the picture that he basically threw a few of the blossoms of these flowers into a big bowl, sat it in the sun for a bit, filtered out the solid stuff, and then diluted it about a billion times to divide up into the little vials.

The weird thing was, I watched him change the descriptions over and over on some of these things before we got the catalog into final form, so that one day the Desert Peach would be for "calmness and serenity," and the next day for "energy, vitality and career drive."

Took me a while to bring it to conscious attention, and then for my moral sense to kick in, but I finally realized I was working for a realio-trulio new age con artist.



#30998: — 07/06  at  12:35 PM
Don't forget all those atoms of Jesus' skin, sweat and urine etc presumably bouncing around in there ... along with those of any other prophets people deem to have been real. There could be a cabal in that Kabbalah with all the holy components; unless they've managed to separate them out somehow.



#31002: — 07/06  at  12:57 PM
People in greyhound rescue swear by this stuff called 'Rescue Remedy' for stressed or nervous animals. I happened to be in the health food store one day and noticed the bottle on the shelf. Curious about what was in it I checked the label. Sure enough, that stuff that people swore would mellow a dog stressed by thunder was basically grain alcohol.

Oddly enough, in a later experiment I gave my own greyhound beer in an attempt to get the benefits of the homeopathic forty dollar stuff for much cheaper. It didn't work- my dog is a happy drunk, not a mellow one. A bouncing barking wobbling dog during a thunderstorm is an improvement over a fearful trembling one, but not enough to justify the practice.



#31004: Elayne Riggs — 07/06  at  01:11 PM
The best water I ever drank was at Saratoga, back when I was a kid and my parents used to take us on summer trips to upstate NY. I remember drinking it out of a metal fold-out cup, which we held to the drinking fountain, and it was all fizzy and kind of tinny, but we were never sure if the tin was from the fountain pipes or the metal cup. Gah, I miss being 9 years old...



#31005: RPM — 07/06  at  01:19 PM
Humans have cell walls?



#31010: — 07/06  at  02:50 PM
Some humans have cell walls. Other humans have regular, old house walls, and some have apartment walls.



#31011: — 07/06  at  03:02 PM
RPM, humans have at least as many cell walls as you'll find clusters in your average water.



#31012: John Emerson — 07/06  at  03:20 PM
My brother drills wells as part of his job, and he cannot understand the vogue of "natural spring water". Some of his wells produce turbid water that leaves an inch of sludge at the bottom of the glass. It's natural, though, and definitely is rich in minerals of one kind or another. Perhaps you haven't been getting your minimum daily requirements of cadmium and selenium -- better drink it just to be sure.

When the person ahead of me buys bottled water I ask them if that's the brand with the benzene in it. I also explain the peril of water-poisoning for people who overdo it. Moderation in everything.



Trackback: New Globin Paralog Tracked on: evolgen (72.9.234.70) at 2005 07 06 15:35:52
Scientists working at the Zunami Research Center in Olympia Washington have discovered a new globin gene in humans that they have named Cluster Water. The researchers say,



#31016: — 07/06  at  04:58 PM
Sean Foley

Where do I sign up to become one of these puppy-kicking, door knob-licking chemists that you write of?



#31017: — 07/06  at  05:05 PM
Winna - it was very amusing to hear that about Rescue Remedy. A friend of mine uses it to calm herself when driving, and a healthy diet of the usual suspects (Orac, TwoPercentCo and Pharyngula,) had me convinced the long ingredient names would unravel to some silliness. Nice to know paranoia pays off :D

-Schmitt.



's avatar #31018: Tlazolteotl — 07/06  at  05:35 PM
Yes, folks, this water is rechargeable! True to its name, this outfit offers a CD containing healing alpha theta frequencies [that] you can use .. to stimulate your clustered water at home.


Okay. I'm a chemist myself, and this one just made me laugh.

I used to have a bottle of the very lot of Perrier that was recalled due to the benzene problem. Finally threw it out, though I'm thinking if I still had it I could have sold it on ebay!

I do sometimes buy Appolinaris, which is a German brand of naturally carbonated mineral water. Only when it's on sale, and only because I like the fizz (I don't really like sweet sodas very much, but a little fizz is nice, so I sometimes drink generic "club soda" too, as does my mom).



's avatar #31019: Tlazolteotl — 07/06  at  05:41 PM
Oh, and Sean Foley:

You're just glib. That's - you don't know the history of chemistry. I've studied chemistry - and - well, if you had studied it, read the actual research papers and such, you would see that it was clearly the physicists - yeah, that's the ticket - that were going around licking the doorknobs. So you just don't know about the history of chemistry, like I do! [/Cruise parody]



#31021: Dan G — 07/06  at  05:54 PM
I saw an ad on daytime Australian television for a magnetic water filter that makes your water magnetic! Apparently magnetic water is biologically active too, and makes your vegetables grow better. What a load of crap.



#31022: — 07/06  at  06:43 PM
Timageous:

As I understand it, anyone with sufficiently large puppy-kicking boots can more or less waltz into any chemistry department in the country and then walk right out with a PhD.

(Individual departments have varying definitions of "sufficiently large," so call ahead to make sure you're not wasting the trip.)



#31023: Daniel Newby — 07/06  at  06:57 PM
The first "chemist debunking" page you link to says
Theoretical models suggest that the average cluster may encompass as many as 90 H2O molecules at 0°C, so that very cold water can be thought of as a collection of ever-changing ice-like structures. At 70° C, the average cluster size is probably no greater than about 25.
Not much of a debunking.

Like all effective hucksters, the PentaWater people start out with a solid connection to reality. In this case they chose a fact that anybody with a diffractometer can verify: liquid water has small-scale structure. If they said that their special water contained magic pixies, nobody would believe it, and they wouldn't have anything to indignantly object to.



#31024: — 07/06  at  07:37 PM
I've always had a bit of a penchant for collecting odd bits of ephemera from the woowoo crowd, and the best spin on the whole "magic water" thing I ever came across was from a kooky group in Texas in the early 80s who had found "positive and negative energy points" on their property. They doused for water on the spots, and bottled the water they found there - you could choose either positive energy water, to draw abundance into your life, or negative energy water, to provide a protective shield against draining influences. The best thing of all was that the water, as a gift from the Loving Universe, was free!

The bottle, however, was $2.

Sometimes I wonder why I work for a living.



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