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Thursday, May 26, 2005

Marty Pomeroy, advocate for anti-science

Echoed on the Panda's Thumb

A reader sent me a link to this horrid anti-evolution guest column in the MetroWest Daily News (I presume this is a suburban branch of the Boston Herald). It's appallingly bad, but so typical of the creationist strategy: fast and furious falsehood flinging, and the presumption no one will have the initiative or the ability to crosscheck the claims. It's also all stated in a pompous, self-satisfied style, as if the author knows more about biology than all those biologists out there…yet as becomes quickly obvious, the man knows nothing about genetics.

Well, I know a little about biology and genetics, and I'm willing to rip his dishonest essay apart, and there's always Mark Isaak's Index to Creationist Claims, which is a wonderful resource that makes it easy to tear into articles like this. It always surprises me, though, how unimaginative creationists are—it's always the same old bogus nonsense, repeated over and over again, with such oblivious confidence. Everything in Marty Pomeroy's essay has already been refuted.

First, here's the complete opinion piece.

Rescue science from evolutionists
By Marty Pomeroy / Guest Columnist
Wednesday, May 25, 2005

Those who think the "Intelligent Design" advocates are a bunch of religious whackos show that they have simply not looked into the issues being raised before the Kansas Board of Education.

Regarding evolution, there is much that classical evolutionary theory answers well, and much that it does not answer well.

Evolutionary theory proposes that there are two fundamental engines behind the advancement of species. The first engine is mutation, genetic change that can be passed on. This produces some difference in an organism that can be passed to its offspring, so the mutation must be present in reproductive cells.

The second engine is natural selection. This "selects" mutations that happen to be somehow "beneficial." The next generation has statistically more of the "chosen" genetic material because the gene provides some reproductive advantage. So those creatures with this gene produce more offspring, whether because of more aggressive mating behavior, resistance to disease, longer life -- anything that allows a species with this gene to reproduce more than those without it.

The theory goes that these two engines, over time, have produced all the biological diversity we see around us. Both these engines are absolutely necessary for evolution and work together. A simplistic summary would say that mutations provide the opportunity for advancement, and natural selection "chooses out" certain genes.

So what does evolutionary theory explain well? The concept of natural selection has become so well established by the weight of evidence that anyone who would try to argue against it will be shown foolish. It is impossible to ignore the variation of species over geographical areas, and the recognition that these variations have become established as adaptations to their environment by natural selection.

And where is the problem? It is in the concept of beneficial mutation. Natural selection is powerless if there is no new genetic material to work with. But that's where, in evolutionary circles, we instantly move from science to faith. In fact, there is no evidence for the existence of beneficial mutations in complex organisms.

With all the biologists observing life on this earth, there is not, at present, even a single example of a variation in a species that is replacing its peers due to some genetic advantage. Secondly, with all the bombardment of fruit flies with X-rays over the last 100 years, no new species of fruit flies has come about which is replacing the ones that have been around for ages. Lastly, looking in the fossil record, you cannot show any two species that have come from a common ancestor.

Now before anyone blows a gasket, it is obvious that mutations happen. Cancer typically results from mutations we do not want. Also at the viral level, changes (mutations) happen regularly. But the leap in complexity from virus to sexually reproductive mammal is too many orders of magnitude to make bold assumptions. In complex organisms, we simply don't have any examples of this taking place, and the fruit flies are still fruit flies.

The Sickle Cell Anemia gene in the malaria belt is sometimes used as an evolutionary example. It is an excellent example of natural selection taking a broken gene and, due to special circumstances (resistance to malaria,) selecting it out. But the sickle cell gene is not replacing the gene for normal red blood cells in general. When fully expressed, it is clearly not beneficial.

So beneficial genetic mutation lacks any scientific examples in higher species. This is one of the two foundational engines of evolution, and there is no science to back it.

Now this is not to say that Intelligent Design is the New Science. Rather, just like what is already being taught, it is an interpretation which, when applied to available data, provides an interesting perspective.

Still, those who despise Intelligent Design (like Bonnie Erbe) reject it less because they know much about it and more because they are fighting for their own faith in gradual naturalism and religiously refuse to consider evolution's glaring weaknesses (or because they simply dislike Republicans and their current supporters.)

So teach natural selection. But regarding the means for the advancement of species, we already teach one belief that is completely unsubstantiated. Why not teach two? They explain advancement differently based on differing assumptions (beliefs,) and both present interesting views of the data available. This would truly improve science education by separating facts from the interpretations which can so easily become dogma.

Note that Mr Pomeroy makes several strong claims here, all stated with extravagant confidence, and all completely false. They are trivially false, and easily checked against the resources at the talk.origins archive, which link to the scientific literature. Mr Pomeroy is claiming the absence of evidence from the scientific literature for certain phenomena, so it is fairly easy to refute him by finding just one counterexample; my links below generally point to whole lists of counterexamples.

  • "In fact, there is no evidence for the existence of beneficial mutations in complex organisms" and "So beneficial genetic mutation lacks any scientific examples in higher species"

    This is false. Mr Pomeroy mentions sickle cell anemia, but then mangles the story; that is a beneficial mutation in a specific context, the presence of high rates of malaria. It is his misfortune that he doesn't comprehend that evolutionary novelties aren't absolute good or evil; their function is relative and dependent on the environment. The Talk.Origins archive explains this, and there is a specific FAQ on known beneficial mutations. Even twenty-five years ago I did simple experiments in a cell biology lab to find mutant strains of bacteria that were resistant to antibiotics. Seriously, it happens every day, and it's easy to detect.
    There is also a good list of such mutations in a range of species, but Mr Pomeroy makes a peculiar demand for examples in "higher" species—would a list of beneficial mutations in humans do? I should mention that there is no qualitative difference between the DNA of E. coli and a human, and in fact, we share many of the same genes, so demanding examples in one but not the other is a bit strange.

  • "With all the biologists observing life on this earth, there is not, at present, even a single example of a variation in a species that is replacing its peers due to some genetic advantage."

    We have observed new species. But again, Mr Pomeroy inserts a peculiar restriction—that it be an example of a variation replacing its peers. I don't think he understands biology very well, because that makes the job even easier. I did a quick search of the literature, and found this example:
    Stolz U, Velez S, Wood KV, Wood M, Feder JL (2003) Darwinian natural selection for orange bioluminescent color in a Jamaican click beetle. PNAS 100(25):14955-9.
    The paper describes a particular color variant that is undergoing a selective sweep in Jamaica, a new allele that arose on the east side of the island and is spreading westward.
    This stuff is not difficult to find, if you know your way around the biological literature. Apparently, Mr Pomeroy does not.

  • "Secondly, with all the bombardment of fruit flies with X-rays over the last 100 years, no new species of fruit flies has come about which is replacing the ones that have been around for ages."

    Rhagoletis pomonella, the apple maggot fly. This is a serious pest that is currently undergoing speciation, with strains that are shifting from their native host, the hawthorne, to apples. I didn't even have to dig into the laboratory literature—this is happening naturally.

  • "Lastly, looking in the fossil record, you cannot show any two species that have come from a common ancestor."

    Ah, the hoary old "there are no transitional fossils" claim. Of course we can, and we have molecular evidence in addition to the fossil evidence. We can show linkage in the same way that paternity tests can reveal the relationship between a child and a presumed parent.

Mr Pomeroy made an accusation in his article that he applied to opponents of intelligent design creationism, but which applies more accurately to himself and his fellow apologists for creationism: of evolution, they "reject it less because they know much about it and more because they are fighting for their own faith". He is clearly ignorant of the biology he is describing.

Note the creationist pattern, though. Mr Pomeroy makes bold, confident assertions, each one dead wrong. If the average person were face-to-face with him, what could you say? It's not instantaneous to pull up references to refute such bald lies, and even here on the web where I can leisurely click on the talk.origins site and find orderly stacks of evidence, it takes time…time Pomeroy would use to move on to another lie.

So what do we do?

One counter-strategy is to reduce our position to a set of sound bites. That is not one of our strengths, sad to say: what the side of biology has is vast depth, and it always hurts to abandon that rich and complex resource and reduce it to simplistic assertions. But it's this simple: evolutionary biology has the mechanisms, the observations, the evidence, and the experiments that show that species are related to one another and diverged by the slow acquisition of genetic differences. When someone tells you that no new species have been observed, that mutations can never benefit an organism, and that there have been no transitional forms between species, he's flouting the facts and is simply lying.

Another is to slam the promulgators of such nonsense as Pomeroy's. That essay was a parade of ignorance; Marty Pomeroy has destroyed his own credibility on the subject of evolutionary biology. That is a point that should be hammered in every time he takes pen to paper in the future. Marty Pomeroy has no knowledge of biology and has a history of making stuff up about the subject, and his opinion on evolution should have no weight.

One other thing we have to do is take this message home to the media. Certain right-wing weblogs are fond of the idea that their role is to fact-check the "MSM" (mainstream media) (ironically enough, that's from a site that has also peddled the anti-evolution snake oil), so let's do it. Send short letters to newspapers that publish creationist tripe, and don't let this BS slide by. For instance, you can send letters to the MetroWest Daily News at mdnletters@cnc.com. Tell 'em what you think, in a polite way. Here's mine:

I was surprised to see the guest column by Marty Pomeroy ("Rescue science from evolutionists" on 25 May 2005) in your paper. You see, I'm a biologist by profession, and all the things that Marty Pomeroy declared were not in the scientific literature, such as evidence of beneficial mutations, replacement of alleles in populations, or transitional forms, actually ARE extensively documented in the scientific literature. It was rather like reading an article in which someone confidently asserts that not only are penguins nonexistent, but that no one has ever photographed or captured one. It's a silly claim that can be refuted by simply showing the person a photograph or taking them to the zoo, so this kind of thing is most disconcerting to see published in the 20th 21st Century, in a nation that should be well known for its scientific accomplishments.

Mr Pomeroy is obviously not at all familiar with the scientific literature despite his bold declarations about what is not in it. I suggest that he try reading an introductory text in population genetics, or that he browse through a few issues of Nature or PNAS or any of the many journals at his local university library. Barring that, I've provided a summary of the evidence that counters each of his claims at http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/marty_pomeroy.

And please, readers of the MetroWest Daily News, do not take anti-scientific crackpottery like that of Mr Pomeroy seriously.

Write your own, leave them in the comments here. One thing we might want to think about is developing a library of pithy rejoinders to complement Isaak's wonderful index; we've got the data, but what we also need are strong, short statements that make the emotional and rhetorical case.

And I know I'm a long-winded SOB, so I'm not the best to compose them.


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Comments:
#26167: — 05/26  at  12:55 PM
PZ, sorry, wrong century. Which makes their mistake even worse of course.



#26169: Jeff Hebert — 05/26  at  01:36 PM
Here's the letter I e-mailed to them. Great job on this article and the site in general, by the way -- I read it every day and find it both informative and entertaining. And I was an Art and English major!

Jeff

I read with some dismay the May 25, 2005 column on your web site by Marty Pomeroy ("Rescue science from evolutionists") . Mr. Pomeroy made a number of bold claims about the evidence for evolution, most of which seemed very dubious to me (for example "In fact, there is no evidence for the existence of beneficial mutations in complex organisms" and "So beneficial genetic mutation lacks any scientific examples in higher species"). In just a few minutes of Internet searching I found data that revealed how inaccurate Mr. Pomeroy's statements to be (for a summary, check http://pharyngula.org/index/weblog/comments/marty_pomeroy/#continue).

For his part, I can only assume that Mr. Pomeroy is extremely ignorant of either biology or how to do basic research. Alternatively, he may be both informed and capable but is deliberately distorting the facts to support a political or religious position.

I can think of no excuse, however, for an editorial board that would allow such inaccurate tripe to be published without doing even the most basic fact-checking. Even "opinion" columns should not be allowed to make clearly inaccurate statements of fact. I am disappointed that editorial oversight failed in such an egregious fashion in this case, and hope that such is an exception at your newspaper rather than the rule.

Jeff Hebert
Austin, Texas



's avatar #26174: PZ Myers — 05/26  at  01:59 PM
Dang. And I already sent it off. Oh, well -- it's hard to get used to living in THE FUTURE!

Jeff, your letter is meaner than mine. Good!

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#26178: — 05/26  at  02:12 PM
This article is self-refuting, from this paragraph:

So what does evolutionary theory explain well? The concept of natural selection has become so well established by the weight of evidence that anyone who would try to argue against it will be shown foolish. It is impossible to ignore the variation of species over geographical areas, and the recognition that these variations have become established as adaptations to their environment by natural selection.

Mr. Pomeroy admits that natural selection is well-established and recognizes that variations are adapted to environments. Unless he's a Lamarckian or thinks a designer gave each organism an inexhaustable genetic toolkit that is endlessly adaptable, what does he think the natural selection is acting on, anyway?



#26179: Burt Humburg — 05/26  at  02:13 PM
The thing I liked most about your letters is that they didn't confuse the public by debunking each claim point-for-point. Rather, that they spent their time highlighting the abandonment of established and accepted processes of science. The fact that you held the editors' feet to the fire for doing this is good as well.

Excellent work.

BCH



#26181: — 05/26  at  02:24 PM
The Boston Herald is a pretty trashy paper to begin with; basically a step above a tabloid. You won't find your 'intelligencia' reading it. Of course, that is also part of the problem. People like Marty go after the easily convinced (aka ignorant) people first. It's pretty sickening.



#26186: — 05/26  at  02:37 PM
Phew, I hope this is good..I wrote it in about 5 minutes ;)

Reading the column written by Marty Pomeroy ("Rescue science from evolutionists" from 25 May 2005) made me realize how medievial the science of the United States has became. Letting people such as Mr. Pomeroy make such bold faced lies in a reputable news source, like the MetroWest Daily News, is to say the least outrageous and I am truly disappointed at the MetroWest Daily News for printing something like this, without checking proper credentials and checking the facts. Each and every single point Mr. Pomeroy mentioned can be refuted easily by checking with an educated Biologist or by simply looking up the answers on the Internet. I would like to request an article challenging Mr. Pomeroy's article be printed, to counter the outrageous points Mr. Pomeroy invented. To not do so, would surely confuse your readers at the spewed lies, and it would hurt the MetroWest Daily News as an reliable news source. Unless the MetroWest Daily News plans on publishing an article for the Geocentric Theory without checking the facts with the Heliocentric Theory first, proper precautions should be taken to be sure facts remain checked before published.

Thank you for considering my letter,
Geral Corasjo

-----
"As with all of ID, the important thing is first to have the concept. Production can then follow as a matter of course.” -Dembski



#26187: — 05/26  at  02:38 PM
Please excuse my layperson's understanding of the issue, but this is the letter I wrote and sent:

Marty Pomeroy's opinion piece ("Rescue science from evolutionists" on 25 May 2005) is self-refuting. In the column, Mr. Pomeroy says, "The concept of natural selection has become so well established by the weight of evidence that anyone who would try to argue against it will be shown foolish. It is impossible to ignore the variation of species over geographical areas, and the recognition that these variations have become established as adaptations to their environment by natural selection."

Mr. Pomeroy admits that natural selection is well-established and recognizes that variations are adapted to environments. Where does Mr. Pomeroy propose that this variation that is adapted to environments by natural selection comes from, if not from mutations? One possibility would be the discarded idea that acquired traits (a crushed toe, say) can get passed along to offspring. Another, I suppose, would be that each organism comes equipped with an endless "Swiss Army Knife" of genes that can be called upon, depending on environmental conditions. And still another would be that a "designer" would reach down every once in a while when some creature needed this or that and give their genetic make-up a little make-over. Pimp its ride, so to speak.

None of those possibilities seems even as remotely plausible as the observed, proven, and accepted fact that genetic variation from mutations provides the raw material natural selection then sifts to generate diversity within and among species.


Greg Peterson
Minneapolis, MN



#26188: — 05/26  at  02:39 PM
Indeed Burt. When well-intentioned people reargue at length against gibberish claims which have been refuted a thousand times before, they make a mistake. Just mock them, and mention a source for correct info, and move on.



#26189: — 05/26  at  02:45 PM
Hi, I'm the reader who sent you that article. This is so awesome that the power of the internet is behind me! That idiot had no idea what he was in for. You think you're a long-winded SOB? The letter that I wrote was even longer. In any case, here it is. I'm kind of nervous to make it public, since I'm not a biologist and this is the first letter-to-the-anything I've ever written in my life, but I'm sure I can learn from any criticisms anyone might have.


In the recent opinion piece "Rescuing science and evolution," Marty Pomeroy makes a series of arguments against natural selection and for the teaching of the theory of Intelligent Design in the science classroom. While some of his arguments are sound, there are serious flaws in the fundamental claims on which some of his conclusions are based.

Pomeroy makes the claim that there is no evidence for beneficial mutations in animals. This is untrue. In the 1980's, a small community of people in Italy were found to have a mutation of a protein which plays a role in removing cholesterol from cells. This mutation is associated with a decreased risk of cardiovascular disease. Pomeroy also claims that "there is not, at present, even a single example of a variation in a species that is replacing its peers due to some genetic advantage." However, we have repeatedly seen strains of bacteria become resistant to our antibiotics, through no means other than the reproductive selection of the surviving mutants.

Pomeroy's conclusion is that Intelligent Design should be taught in the classroom as a "scientific" alternative to the explanation of the origin of species through natural selection. Intelligent Design is not a scientific theory for the simple reason that it presupposes the answer before even posing the question. It is evident in the very name of the theory. The existence of a designer is not suggested by observation, but is an assumption made by proponents of this theory before any evidence is even considered.

Intelligent Design uses faith to frame observation. Science uses observation to frame theory. Faith and science are not opposites, just different -- non-overlapping magisteria in Stephen Jay Gould's words. Just as Darwin's grand theory may not have a place in a course on Christian teachings, faith-based explanations do not belong in a science classroom.



#26190: — 05/26  at  02:46 PM
Greg: I don't think it fully explains the problem with his reasoning that you've highlighted, but I think Pomeroy is relying somewhat on the Creationist claim that much evolution is really just "selection acting on pre-existing genetic variation within species." In other words, that it's just shuffling around variation they were created with. It might also be a clumsy effort at claiming that beneficial mutations DO occur, but only through the mechanism of Intelligent Design, and that natural, random mutation as observed in the lab is inherently negative (insert vague justification of this claim based on "information theory" and Second Law of Thermodynamics here.)



#26191: — 05/26  at  02:47 PM
All that aside, PZ made what I consider to be an important point-

"This stuff is not difficult to find, if you know your way around the biological literature. Apparently, Mr Pomeroy does not."

I dont know my way around the biological literature, but I have a rough idea of the Chemistry based literature, since that was my degree subject. I dont think we can reasonably expect a layperson (no matter what their point of view) to have a decent grasp of the literature.(Or be able to afford it) And therein lies the rub. The thing about the beetles sounds interesting, but the difficulty is in spreading the information far and wide. How do you get it added to the talkorigins archive? How can we get more people reading good popular science magazines?



#26192: — 05/26  at  02:49 PM
Hah! My apologies, Greg...my slow-to-post self sees you thought of precisely those things already. smile



's avatar #26193: Chris Clarke — 05/26  at  02:52 PM
Don't sell yourself short, Kate. That's an excellent letter, with excellent examples to debunk Pomeroy.

"I do not think we should antagonize the religious when it is not warranted, though I think we should be willing to do so whenever it is.”
-- Glen Davidson



#26194: — 05/26  at  03:21 PM
Holy cow! I wish my first public attempt to rebut ID Creationist claims had been as articulate and informed as that! All I could do was sputter. smile



#26196: — 05/26  at  03:34 PM
Thanks, Chris. I can't wait to see how Marty responds to all this. My mom is politically active in Framingham, so she vaguely knows who he is (although she wasn't able to tell me anything interesting about him). I love causing trouble in this town,



#26197: Orac — 05/26  at  03:45 PM
I hate it when idiots like Pomeroy claim there are no beneficial mutations in higher organisms. I have a favorite example to throw right back in his face: What on earth does he call the CCR5-delta32 mutation, which greatly reduces the susceptibility of a T-cell to HIV infection by making the CCR5 receptor an unsuitable partner for HIV to bind to and use to enter the cell, if not a beneficial mutation?

See this:

"Genetic Legacy of Plague Outbreaks May Help Europeans Fight AIDS: Report"
Agence France Presse (03.10.05)

Plague outbreaks centuries ago may have given around 10 percent of Europeans the CCR5 mutation that confers natural resistance to HIV, according to a recent study by Christopher Duncan and Susan Scott, researchers at the University of Oxford and University of Liverpool, respectively. People with the genetic mutation CCR5-delta 32 remain free of AIDS because the mutation stops HIV from entering their immune cells.

Duncan and Scott do not believe the plagues responsible for such a mutation were bubonic but rather epidemics of viral hemorrhagic fever. That the disease spared those with the CCR5 mutation meant future populations included a higher proportion of people with the mutation.

In European nations more recently affected by plagues, more people carry the CCR5 mutations. For instance, in Scandinavian countries - which suffered the plague of Copenhagen in 1711 - the resistance figure is as high as 14-15 percent, noted the study.

The full report, "Reappraisal of the Historical Selective Pressures for the CCR5-Ä32 Mutation," was published in the Journal of Medical Genetics (2005;42:205-208).

In short, the CCR5-delta32, if this model is correct, this mutation first appeared 2,500 years ago, and, because it protected those who carried it from viral hemorrhagic fever, was retained through natural selection processes. This model probably explains the high prevalence of this beneficial mutation in certain Scandanavian countries that recently (in evolutionary timeframes) suffered outbreaks of hemorrhagic fever! However, even if this model is not correct, it doesn't change the observed fact that CCR5-delta32 is a mutation that does protect people who carry it from HIV infection, making them, in essence, immune to most forms of the virus. Anyone want to bet that that will make its prevalence increase even more over the next several generations?

As for lower organisms, geez, how does Pomeroy think that all those bacteria became resistant to antibiotics, other than through beneficial mutations and selection by exposure to the antibiotics?

What an idiot!

--
Orac “A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”
http://oracknows.blogspot.com



#26199: — 05/26  at  04:12 PM
The statements in these letters are fine, but the letters are too long. I'm a newspaperman. Let me offer some unsolicited advice.

Pick one point. If I were to write to this paper, I'd probably pick the claim that no new species have been observed in the field and cite th examples of new species of Hawaiian fruit flies observed within the past 20 years on the Big Island of Hawaii.

Keep your letters under 300 words.

With a bit of effort, a circle of writers could each take one point of Pomeroy's and demolish it. On the printed page, that's much more effective, a stack of slashing letters, than one long one, which most people will skip over.

You might also consider a letter to the editor, possibly marked for information and not for publication, pointing out that some papers (mine, for example) do not publish non-staff commentaries (we call ours "Viewpoints") unless the writer has some claim to greater knowledge than the man in the street. You could suggest that such a filter is the wave of the future and a way to protect editors from looking as if they never went to school.



#26200: Redshift — 05/26  at  04:14 PM
Here's mine. I took the very good advice in the discussion so far, waved away his voluminous BS as easily refuted, and tried to educate readers on the real issue. (I'm also not a biologist, so I hope I did okay.) I tried to keep it short enough that it might get printed, which is tough for me!

I was disappointed to that the MetroWest Daily News published a column as full of misinformation as Marty Pomeroy's May 25 piece, "Rescue science from evolutionists." Leaving aside Mr. Pomeroy's many incorrect assertions about evolutionary theory, which can be easily debunked by looking at published scientific articles, he has a fundamental misunderstanding of how science works. Scientific theories are not discarded because there are cases they don't explain yet, they are replaced if they produce incorrect answers or another theory explains more of the evidence. For example, the theory that the sun is the center of the solar system replaced the theory that the earth was the center because it produced better predictions of the motions of the planets.

Intelligent Design is not science, because it makes no predictions and cannot be tested, and that alone is why scientists reject it. It merely points at areas where biology has not yet produced a detailed explanation, and says "you can't possibly explain that, it must have been designed." There seem to be plenty of people who would be willing to fund Intelligent Design research, so if it could actually make predictions and publish results, it would certainly have no trouble competing with existing theory. But ID advocates want to skip all the hard work done by thousands of evolutionary biologists, declare evolutionary theory to be "completely unsubstantiated" despite volumes of published results, and go straight to getting access to impressionable high schoolers. We don't allow that with any other school subject, why should we allow it in biology?



#26202: — 05/26  at  04:30 PM
As for beneficial mutations in higher animals, this one seems so obvious and easy for the lay person to grasp that I'm amazed it isn't shouted from the rooftops every time a creationist spouts this nonsense: adult lactose tolerance among cattle domesticating peoples. Am I missing something?



's avatar #26205: Chris Clarke — 05/26  at  04:54 PM
The statements in these letters are fine, but the letters are too long. I'm a newspaperman. Let me offer some unsolicited advice.
[snip]
Keep your letters under 300 words.


Well, Harry, in your vaunted role as a newspaperman, have they ever asked you to fit copy? Or do they just tell you you've done a good job as long as you get 'em up onto the porch?

Here are the word counts on the letters posted so far.

Kate 304
Geral 189
Jeff 210
PZ 235
Redshift 257

Kate, you can get your letter down below the magic number The Newspaperman has bestowed upon us by changing:

"Pomeroy's conclusion is that Intelligent Design should be taught in the classroom"

to

"Pomeroy says Intelligent Design should be taught..."

viola! 299 words!

"I do not think we should antagonize the religious when it is not warranted, though I think we should be willing to do so whenever it is.”
-- Glen Davidson



#26206: — 05/26  at  04:56 PM
One thing we might want to think about is developing a library of pithy rejoinders to complement Isaak's wonderful index

Ooh, ooh, can I play? I nearly started my own page for it but then it wouldn't really have been PZ's game any more (with his usual troops and trolls). Assuming a "yes":

===

CA001: Evolution is the foundation of an immoral worldview.

(a) People were immoral before evolution was discovered - many of them christian paedophiles, torturers, murderers, thieves and invaders.

(b) Conquistadores and cowboys.

CA001.1: Crime rates etc. have increased since evolution began to be taught.

(a) The ignorant commit more crimes than the well-educated.

(b) Creationist states are more criminal.*

* These sorts of stats are harder to find than education ones. They seem to be rather coy/useless about specific prisoner religions - tending to lump all the don't-know-won't-say in with any atheists. I think buddhists (NB a non-god religion) were under-represented among criminals though.
Pretty map: http://www.doc.state.ok.us/MAPS/incrimUS.htm
Of course that's the same correlation as with higher education though ...

===

CA002: Survival of the fittest implies might makes right.

(a) Like the US attacking Iraq then.

CA002.1: Evolution leads to social Darwinism.

(a) Social Darwinism preceded Evolution.

(b) Only if you are living backwards in time.

CA002.2: Marx admired and corresponded with Darwin.

(a) Darwin rejected and then ignored Marx.

(b) Biblical literalists admire and (believe they) correspond with a lying, cheating, torturing, murdering god. Darwin is a paragon of virtue in comparison.

===



#26207: — 05/26  at  05:27 PM
Letter Sample:

I realize that opinion columnists are given freedom in their columns, but the editors might seriously consider some fact checking in future. A writer is entitled to their opinions, but not their own facts. In the May 25 piece by Marty Pomeroy he offers as facts many things that clearly aren't. A clear example: "In fact, there is no evidence for the existence of beneficial mutations in complex organisms." This "fact" would come as a great surprise to biologists who spend their careers studying such mutations. Mr. Pomeray continues to make basic mistakes about speciation, mutation and the fossil record.

Opinions, Good. False facts, bad.

A simple call to a qualified biologist would have caught these errors and saved Mr. Pomeroy the embarrassment of being, as Ambrose Bierce put it, "Positive, adj.: Mistaken at the top of one's voice".



#26208: — 05/26  at  05:37 PM
And still another would be that a "designer" would reach down every once in a while when some creature needed this or that and give their genetic make-up a little make-over. Pimp its ride, so to speak.

Absolutely perfect.

A writer is entitled to their opinions, but not their own facts.

I nominate this as a top 10 pithy rejoinder.



#26211: DarkSyde — 05/26  at  05:48 PM
Nice fisk. I give it two opposable digits up.



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