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Thursday, April 28, 2005

Miscellaneous site news

Remember, Monday 2 May is the deadline for sending 150-word letters on "intelligent design, evolution, and their proper places in school curricula" to opinion@startribune.com. One other subject I think would be good to mention is the role of the media in this issue: the Discovery Institute has been playing the media like a violin as they gin up this phony controversy. Maybe we should be pestering them to include more science articles, and maybe make good science a regular feature. They've got a regular "Faith & Values" section, and a "Technology" section (which seems to be stuff like video games and business interests), but science is something that just slips in incidentally.

I think it can be said in a positive way, too. It's very good that their staff writer was clearly on the side of science—let's encourage more like that!


A few people have asked if having an op-ed in the Star Tribune sent more traffic my way. The answer is no, not noticeably. Actually, I'm seeing far more traffic right now from people searching for "exploding toads" than I saw from the Star Tribune. The one thing I have got is a lot more e-mail, and if you're one of the people who sent me a personal note, I'm sorry if I haven't gotten back to you. It was a regular deluge for a while, a flood that is dying down just now. I'm hoping to wade into it soon, but it's also nearing the end of the semester, and other factors are swamping me right now.

One interesting thing: it was almost all positive, by about 50:1. There were a lot of people cheering that the Strib had published stuff so clearly against the wingnut nonsense of Intelligent Design creationism, something the publishers might want to think about. There's a market waiting to be tapped!

The negative letters were few and far between, and mostly a) incoherent rantage, b) promises to pray for me, and c) utter weirdness. The funniest was some guy who went on at length about some rock formation off the coast of Okinawa which, to his mind, constitutes absolute proof that the earth is young. He also accused me of cowardice for hiding behind a website, which makes about as much sense as his claims about underwater pyramids. He says I'm supposed to come out from behind it and battle Hovind and Brown.


Hey! Pharyngula seems to have had its millionth visitor sometime yesterday! You're all sick, sick people—who would have thought rotting cockroaches and worm gonads and vile little creationists and suchlike peculiar offal would have had any popularity at all?


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Comments:
#23320: — 04/28  at  01:30 PM
One million blog readers served! You will catch McDonald's before long.



's avatar #23322: PZ Myers — 04/28  at  01:55 PM
Are you comparing my posts to greasy, lowest-common-denominator, cheap dreck with little value and ultimately toxic to those who consume them?

Hmmm. You may be on to something.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#23323: — 04/28  at  02:13 PM
So, dont you mean millionth visit. Some of those visits are the same visitors who just wont go away.



#23324: — 04/28  at  02:16 PM
Actually Mark may be comparing the readers to lowest common denominator greasy food-like products. How do you server a reader, anyway? Sunny side up?



#23329: Philip Brooks — 04/28  at  02:59 PM
It's tremendously unfair to compare creationists to worm gonads! We wouldn't be here today if it weren't for worm gonads.



's avatar #23332: yami — 04/28  at  03:20 PM
That rock formation is pretty rad, though - it's too bad they don't have better pictures, or background on its geologic setting, or any clue at all, really. You should ask that guy what he thinks of Devil's Postpile.

Might be one for the Friday Rock Blogging file...



#23341: — 04/28  at  04:22 PM
I suspected the McDonald's comparison might be a little inappropriate. I think the people who visit this site are extraordinarily intelligent and discriminating. For the most part.



#23346: EdWonk — 04/28  at  05:42 PM
Muchos Congrats! That's quite a number. David Anderson got his millionth not too long ago, and then things really speeded-up for him. Maybe you won't have to wait too long for your second million.



#23349: — 04/28  at  06:23 PM
All along the coast of Japan I have seen hard, rock like, formations, that obviouly show signs of intelligent design. I don't understand why they are there, or how they were formed, so obviously they must have been made by God, or possibly people from Atlantis. The locals call them Tsunami Barriers. Tsunami, from what I can gather, is apparently some kind of highly destructive mythological monster, along the lines of Godzilla.



#23360: Duane Smith — 04/28  at  10:06 PM
You are correct that scientists should be "pestering" the media for better and more consistent coverage of science. In addition, a few days before a scientific paper dealing with evolution is published in a peer reviewed journal, the university or research institute's PR department should issue a news release announcing the paper with a headline or sub headline that indicates how the paper supports, is supported by, or modifies theory. The creationists must be put on the defensive rather than the biologists always being on the defensive in the public forum.



#23363: tjswift — 04/28  at  10:26 PM
PZ I'm sorry to be the one to have to point out that, judging from the hysterics I've read here and elsewhere, it appears that you wouldn't recognise good science with the help of an "Idiots guide to".

This obviously isn't simply a matter of being skeptical for you, there is genuine fear at work here.

Just what are you so afraid of?

I've looked (and looked, and looked) for a sample of your published research (perhaps you might help me out here), but have found nothing but reams of angry sophistry directed towards anyone who mentions "God" and anything to do with the universe in the same sentance.

But then, I guess who has time for research when there are so many fellow academics disturbing your pre-determined model of the cosmos?

You seem like a fairly bright guy PZ, why not use your talents to disprove the theory of ID by proving how easy it is to create life, no, too easy for a man of your talents; create intelligent life in your bathtub rather than waste it on shouting your anger to the (empty?) skies?



#23370: — 04/29  at  02:48 AM
TJSwift,

Not that Prof Myers needs my help but.....

You looked and looked did you? Then you didn't look too hard. One tiny search on Web of Knoweldge turns up at least 11 papers, and WOK is hardly the most comprehensive or thorough mode of literature searching. Perhaps you need to refine your abilities to find things, or of course stop lying about looking for things.

Next, your ludicrous strawman. Prof Myers isn't producing "reams of angry sophistry directed towards anyone who mentions "God" and anything to do with the universe in the same sentance", he is producing reams of pithy critiques of those people who seem to think that they are fooling anyone with their handwaving, unsupported bullshit (that's ID creationism or just straight creationism to yu and me), and who thinks that they can acheive some ludicrously absurd social result by shoehorning said bullshit into science classes the world over. How about you actually read what the guy writes, and how about you actually bother to do some research on a topic before you bother to witter inanely about it, hmmm?

ID creationism will enter a science class as science when it becomes science. Since, given that it demonstrably isn't science but simply the empty rhetoric of those arguing from personal incredulity and a desire to infect schools with their religious reconstructionist nonsense, this should occur slightly before pigs grow wings, and you grow a clue, i.e. never.

What people like you simply don't get is that this isn't a conflict between relgion and science, it is a conflict between certain groups of religious idiots and reality. Sadly for them, reality will win. A person's personal religious beliefs are simply that, personal. They can be discussed in a comparitive religion class, used to dictate one's personal codes and actions should one so wish, but pretending they are science for the purposes of indoctrinating people because you have had your teensy nose put out of joint because reality doesn't conform to your prejudices is nothing more than infantile pique and utterly pathetic.



#23373: — 04/29  at  04:27 AM
You looked and looked did you? Then you didn't look too hard. One tiny search on Web of Knoweldge turns up at least 11 papers, and WOK is hardly the most comprehensive or thorough mode of literature searching. Perhaps you need to refine your abilities to find things, or of course stop lying about looking for things.


I think WOK is inaccessible without an account. scholar.google.com is
the way to do it if you're not at an academic institution. Entering
"PZ Myers" gets 44 hits, slightly less than half are papers authored
by our good host. The efficiency of this method isn't so bad. It finds
almost all of my papers.

None of the papers that turned up are "rants". (Of course, I tend to think
of PZ's popular writings as well-reasoned, entertaining essays, but the point
is that they're not on this list.)



#23374: — 04/29  at  04:35 AM
Ethan,

Good point, I just had WOK open at the time I was reading Pharyngula. Sort of multitasking procrastination/work!



's avatar #23382: PZ Myers — 04/29  at  08:02 AM
If you take a look at Swift's blog (not that I encourage it), you'll see that he's a bit of a whining right-wing ass who has no idea of what is actually going on in science. He's really not worth worrying about. While he dreams of being a full-blown troll, he's really nothing more than a 1-hit point kobold.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



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