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Tuesday, August 23, 2005

Moonbat anti-evolutionist: Deepak Chopra

All you conservatives will be relieved to know that we have sighted a moonbat anti-evolutionist. It's that New Age con-man, Deepak Chopra, and he says all the same stupid things the right-wing fundies do. He's complaining that we have to take Intelligent Design out of the hands of the fundamentalist Christians and those clueless scientists. You know, though, when someone says something like this…

To say the DNA happened randomly is like saying that a hurricane could blow through a junk yard and produce a jet plane.

…it doesn't matter whether he's right-wing or left-wing, he's just an idiot. Then he lists a collection of 'problems' that only reveal how uninformed he is.

1. How does nature take creative leaps? In the fossil record there are repeated gaps that no "missing link" can fill. The most glaring is the leap by which inorganic molecules turned into DNA. For billions of years after the Big Bang, no other molecule replicated itself. No other molecule was remotely as complicated. No other molecule has the capacity to string billions of pieces of information that remain self-sustaining despite countless transformations into all the life forms that DNA has produced.

The earth is over 4.5 billion years old, and the universe is somewhere around 13-14 billion years old. I would suggest that the reason there was a gap between the Big Bang and the formation of complex macromolecules on earth is that the Earth didn't exist for 9 or 10 billion years.

Here's another molecule: RNA.

I don't even know what he's talking about when he babbles about "self-sustaining despite countless transformations". It's just word salad.

2. If mutations are random, why does the fossil record demonstrate so many positive mutations--those that lead to new species--and so few negative ones? Random chance should produce useless mutations thousands of times more often than positive ones.

Ummmm…SELECTION? The fossil record contains representatives of the forms that succeeded, not the frequent failures.

3. How does evolution know where to stop? The pressure to evolve is constant; therefore it is hard to understand why evolution isn't a constant. Yet sharks and turtles and insects have been around for hundreds of millions of years without apparent evolution except to diversify among their kind. These species stopped in place while others, notably hominids, kept evolving with tremendous speed, even though our primate ancestors didn't have to. The many species of monkeys which persist in original form tell us that human evolution, like the shark's, could have ended. Why didn't it?

Wow. That's just…special.

Evolution doesn't stop. We're still spinning out mutations all the time; selection is a conservative process that prunes out variations unless there is a change in circumstances. When he claims that sharks and turtles and insects are unchanged, that's just his ignorance talking. Those groups have all been changing, and the fossil record shows that.

Monkeys have been evolving, too. Every lineage is changing independently.

4. Evolutionary biology is stuck with regard to simultaneous mutations. One kind of primordial skin cell, for example, mutated into scales, fur, and feathers. These are hugely different adaptations, and each is tremendously complex. How could one kind of cell take three different routs purely at random?

Look at an embryo. One cell→hundreds of different cell types.

And evolution is not purely random.

5. If design doesn't imply intelligence, why are we so intelligent? The human body is composed of cells that evolved from one-celled blue-green algae, yet that algae is still around. Why did DNA pursue the path of greater and greater intelligence when it could have perfectly survived in one-celled plants and animals, as in fact it did?

Aaaargh! If we evolved from algae, why is there still algae? A trait that is beneficial to one organism is not necessarily beneficial to another.

6. Why do forms replicate themselves without apparent need? The helix or spiral shape found in the shell of the chambered nautilus, the center of sunflowers, spiral galaxies, and DNA itself seems to be such a replication. It is mathematically elegant and appears to be a design that was suited for hundreds of totally unrelated functions in nature.

Yes, it is mathematically elegant, and it is an efficent pattern for growth. And that is the answer.

7. What happens when simple molecules come into contact with life? Oxygen is a simple molecule in the atmosphere, but once it enters our lungs, it becomes part of the cellular machinery, and far from wandering about randomly, it precisely joins itself with other simple molecules, and together they perform cellular tasks, such as protein-building, whose precision is millions of times greater than anything else seen in nature. If the oxygen doesn't change physically--and it doesn't--what invisible change causes it to acquire intelligence the instant it contacts life?

I'm stunned. Oxygen gets intelligent?

Chopra apparently doesn't know a lick of chemistry and doesn't understand reaction equilibria or respiratory physiology. He's an MD? Can we get his license revoked?

Yes, the molecules wander about randomly. Their properties are stochastic.

8. How can whole systems appear all at once? The leap from reptile to bird is proven by the fossil record. Yet this apparent step in evolution has many simultaneous parts. It would seem that Nature, to our embarrassment, simply struck upon a good idea, not a simple mutation. If you look at how a bird is constructed, with hollow bones, toes elongated into wing bones, feet adapted to clutching branches instead of running, etc., none of the mutations by themselves give an advantage to survival, but taken altogether, they are a brilliant creative leap. Nature takes such leaps all the time, and our attempt to reduce them to bits of a jigsaw puzzle that just happened to fall into place to form a beautifully designed picture seems faulty on the face of it. Why do we insist that we are allowed to have brilliant ideas while Nature isn't?

The changes do have advantages on their own. The man knows nothing about bird evolution or evolution of respiratory systems. Birds didn't appear fully formed and complete; they evolved from theropod dinosaurs, and the appearance of different components of the full complement of features can be tracked in the lineage.

9. Darwin's iron law was that evolution is linked to survival, but it was long ago pointed out that "survival of the fittest" is a tautology. Some mutations survive, and therefore we call them fittest. Yet there is no obvious reason why the dodo, kiwi, and other flightless birds are more fit; they just survived for a while. DNA itself isn't fit at all; unlike a molecule of iron or hydrogen, DNA will blow away into dust if left outside on a sunny day or if attacked by pathogens, x-rays, solar radiation, and mutations like cancer. The key to survival is more than fighting to see which organism is fittest.

Oh, just go read this, you foolish old poop.

10. Competition itself is suspect, for we see just as many examples in Nature of cooperation. Bees cooperate, obviously, to the point that when a honey bee stings an enemy, it acts to save the whole hive. At the moment of stinging, a honeybee dies. In what way is this a survival mechanism, given that the bee doesn't survive at all? For that matter, since a mutation can only survive by breeding--"survival" is basically a simplified term for passing along gene mutations from one generation to the next-how did bees develop drones in the hive, that is, bees who cannot and never do have sex?

Inclusive fitness. Drones are males; they are reproductive. Worker females do not reproduce, and we understand why.

11. How did symbiotic cooperation develop? Certain flowers, for example, require exactly one kind of insect to pollinate them. A flower might have a very deep calyx, or throat, for example than only an insect with a tremendously long tongue can reach. Both these adaptations are very complex, and they serve no outside use. Nature was getting along very well without this symbiosis, as evident in the thousands of flowers and insects that persist without it. So how did numerous generations pass this symbiosis along if it is so specialized?

These are examples of evolutionary arms races. The flowers had a short calyx and the birds a shorter beak, for example, and variant flowers with deeper calyxes were more likely to entice pollinators deeply enough to pick up their gametes, while birds with longer beaks were better able to quickly tap their nectar.

12. Finally, why are life forms beautiful? Beauty is everywhere in Nature, yet it serves no obvious purpose. Once a bird of paradise has evolved its incredibly gorgeous plumage, we can say that it is useful to attract mates. But doesn't it also attract predators, for we simultaneously say that camouflaged creatures like the chameleon survive by not being conspicuous. In other words, exact opposites are rationalized by the same logic. This is no logic at all. Non-beautiful creatures have survived for millions of years, so have gorgeous ones. The notion that this is random seems weak on the face of it.

We find some creatures beautiful, and others not, and he doesn't see the logic…so therefore it can't be chance? That doesn't make sense.

As for why different animals follow different strategies, why is that puzzling? If there are different solutions to solve a problem, and you've got lots of organisms trying randomly generated solutions, you will see exactly what he describes.

Deepak Chopra is a disgrace to the medical profession. That he peddles snake oil is bad enough, but this article of his also shows how deeply stupid the man is.


I caught a few minutes of this smug fraud on Larry King tonight—I just about threw a shoe through the screen. How did this guy get a medical degree, specialize in neuroendocrinology, and become chief of staff at a regional medical center while being so poorly educated that he can argue about pulmonary function requiring that an oxygen molecule acquire intelligence? I feel like I'm going to have to give my doctor a test in basic physiology on my next visit before I can trust her.


Ed Brayton and DJW saw the whole thing, and now I'm very glad I only caught a few minutes of that travesty. Larry King actually asked this question:

KING: All right, hold on. Dr. Forrest, your concept of how can you out-and-out turn down creationism, since if evolution is true, why are there still monkeys?

Uh, right. And my ancestors came from Sweden, so why the heck are there still Swedes? I see that you find a Windows Media Player version of the non-debate on CNN—I'm not providing a link because, just as my television was in mortal danger from my shoe last night, if I tried to watch it now I'd probably end up snarling with eyes aflame, I'd snap my laptop over my knee, and start rampaging towards the nearest metropolitan area. And I like my laptop.

Man, what did the United States do to deserve such an incompetent press?


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Comments:
#37206: Dan S. — 08/23  at  07:34 PM
I've been waiting years for circumstances to justify calling someone a "foolish old poop" and here you go and beat me! Curses!

Though definitely well deserved.

It must be fun to just drool out your personal musings on some topic for which there is massively extensive research and easily available, even readible popular accounts, without feeling the slightest compunction to er, perform even the most perfunctory research (beyond, judging from what he says, the first anti-evolution website to pop up on google).

Although I suppose it's possible that there's some strange scrabbling Discovery Institute parasite latched onto his spinal cord, forcing him to write all this in a mindless trance . .. .

Maybe that's what the strange lump under Bush's jacket was, during the campaign debates! Maybe their fiendish plan is more fiendish than we ever dreamed!

(C'mon. Wouldn't that explain a whole lot?)

Ok, back to your regularly scheduled programming . . .



#37212: Jason Malloy — 08/23  at  07:59 PM
The first time I went to The Huffington post I scrolled down and saw six or seven contributions from Chopra, and promptly excused myself from the site.



#37213: coturnix — 08/23  at  07:59 PM
He's gone off the deepak end...



#37214: — 08/23  at  08:01 PM
In the town where I live, the largest hospital--Memorial--actually has a "Chopra Center,'' formed in partnership with this nitwit.
O well...keeps the surplus population down, I guess.



#37216: Narc — 08/23  at  08:09 PM
To say the DNA happened randomly is like saying that a hurricane could blow through a junk yard and produce a jet plane.

Yet it seems more like that's the sort of thing that would happen in a universe that has an Creator that is actively guiding seemingly-random events.

Why is it that the systems that lead to complex biological behavior must be guided by an intelligent designer, but the systems that lead to complex meterological behavior are the very examples of random, UNdesigned systems?



's avatar #37218: Chris Clarke — 08/23  at  08:25 PM
Thank you, PZ. This fucking charlatan does more to make my job hard than does George Bush, in that he actually lowers the intelligence of environmentalists.

"I do not think we should antagonize the religious when it is not warranted, though I think we should be willing to do so whenever it is.”
-- Glen Davidson



#37219: Arun — 08/23  at  08:30 PM
smile tut, tut, "(5) When you find yourself reacting with anger or opposition to any person or circumstance, realize that you are only struggling with yourself." smile

Chopra's ten steps to happiness:

(1) Listen to your body's wisdom.

(2) Live in the present, for it is the only moment you have.

(3) Take time to be silent, to meditate.

(4) Relinquish your need for external approval.

(5) When you find yourself reacting with anger or opposition to any person or circumstance, realize that you are only struggling with yourself.

(6) Know that the world "out there" reflects your reality "in here."

(7) Shed the burden of judgement.

(8) Don't contaminate your body with toxins, either food, drink, or toxic emotions.

(9) Replace fear-motivated behavior with love-motivated behavior.

(10) Understand that the physical world is just a mirror of a deeper intelligence.



#37221: Jim Harrison — 08/23  at  08:44 PM
Deepak Chopra doesn't do a lot for me either, but I recognize that his New Age musing are a perfect fit with the outlook of a huge segment of the population. It's a given that people will be superstitious: the only choice is which style of absurdity they embrace. I count my blessings. The Tao of Physics crowd at least thinks they are in favor of the sciences. You don't get to choose the allies you'd prefer. So a cheer and a half for dear ol' Deepak.



#37224: Geoffrey Brent — 08/23  at  08:59 PM
I think "self-sustaining despite countless transformations" means "in all its incarnations in different creatures, DNA is still able to reproduce itself - surely many of those mutations should have undermined its ability to do so?"

(To which, obviously, the answer is "quite possibly it did, but by definition those ones don't last.")



#37226: — 08/23  at  09:04 PM
BTW, it's not "New Age", it's "newage". Rhymes with Sewage.

-jcr



#37228: — 08/23  at  09:18 PM
At the moment of stinging, a honeybee dies.

DC's knowledge of things apian matches his knowledge of things evolutionary.

A bee dies from stinging only if she stings an animal with a relatively leathery hide, such as a human. A barb on the sting is caught by a tough epidermis, and pulling away leads to (non-instant) death by disembowelment.

However, most bee stings seem to be delivered to other bees (so much for cooperation) from other hives (inter-hive "warfare" is quite common). In such cases, a strong fighter can stab, inject toxins into, and withdraw from literally dozens of other bees and suffer no harm, unless one of them does the same to her.

And drones do have sex - or at least the one who can out-fly the rest when a young queen has her mating flight does. Alas, that is another act of penetration where withdrawal leads to fatal disembowelment.



#37229: coturnix — 08/23  at  09:26 PM
And bees successfully and non-suicidally sting honey parasites, like Deaths-Head Sphinx Moths.



#37231: Dave Bacon — 08/23  at  09:37 PM
I'm happy to see that Deepak has moved from spouting gibberish about quantum theory to spouting gibberish about biology. What a welcome change for us physicists. Enjoy the pain ;)



#37232: Skeptico — 08/23  at  09:40 PM
PZ you are amazing! How you could sit through an hour of that drivel is beyond me (I turned over after two minutes of that idiot) but I’m glad you did.

Deepak Chopra was the ultimate incentive for my blog. He so incensed me with his comments (also on LKL) about the tsunami that I started by blog to write about it. Seriously. My very first post was Drivel from Chopra - a title you could just have easily used 7 months later.



's avatar #37233: Raven — 08/23  at  09:48 PM
I've just been waiting for the day when someone figured out that you can put ID creationism together with "holism" to attain a brand-new local minimum. :(



's avatar #37234: Raven — 08/23  at  09:51 PM
Like I was saying before I prematurely hit "Submit", it's too bad I have a case of the ethics, or I'd have gone the L. Ron Hubbard route with that combo myself long ago--I bet it's a gold mine.



#37235: Dan S. — 08/23  at  10:05 PM
Deepak end . . hee hee hee . . .

"the largest hospital--Memorial--actually has a "Chopra Center,''"
I wouldn't go to any hospital center with "chop" in the name. But that's just me ....

"When you find yourself reacting with anger or opposition to any person or circumstance, realize that you are only struggling with yourself.""
Geez, I'm a completely idiotic pain in the ass!!
Well, yes, but . . .

"Relinquish your need for external approval. "
Isn't this sort of 'Become a sociopath in just in one easy step!'?

Whenever I hear "Deaths-Head Sphinx Moths," I imagine them as a sort of lepidopteran motorcycle gang . . .

"to attain a brand-new local minimum."
At first I read this as loco minimum . . .



#37238: — 08/23  at  10:35 PM
Remind me not to see any physicians who went to med school in India - geesh. I hope his body's wisdom is greater than that achieved in his little mind.



#37240: — 08/23  at  11:59 PM
Pierce R. Butler,
I pasted your comment into the comments over at the Huff Post. Hope you don't mind!



#37241: — 08/24  at  12:07 AM
Exactly - the fact that evolution is conservative is NOT an argument against it.



#37242: — 08/24  at  12:08 AM
Whoa!! Wait a minute CJ! Please don't blame medical schools in India for what this newage IDiot failed to get out of his "education"! Or what do you make of Yale which graduated the "leader of the free world"? For a more relevant example: have you forgotten about Kurt Wise, the creationist who got his Ph.D. from Harvard under the supervision of Stephen Jay Gould?!



#37243: — 08/24  at  12:24 AM
hang it all! Gunny Bob here in colorado is giving more than equal time to these ID a-holes.. i called in and made as many points as i could in my minute and a half, but i can't beat the swarm of mouth-breathers calling in every half-second to say that when you take God of anything it collapses.. now he's sayin "i want this thing taught" "let the thinking students decide".... sorry.. just had to bitch somewhere and i figured sympathizers would be around.. if you're in the area maybe you can call in and give him a little more reason.. i was gonna try to recommend carl zimmer's blog or talkorigins but he cut me off to quick..



#37244: — 08/24  at  12:34 AM
"Word Salad" is really the appropriate criticism for all of Chopra's works. His statements are literally meaningless. His words are not reflections of empirical sensibility, but are supposed to be a reflection of some higher "transcendent" reality.

Chopra is a glorious opportunist in the tradition of a long line of illustrious Indian con artists. The medical degree was just cover--he dropped it in a heartbeat when he moved to California to shuck the yokels. He's found that selling "wellness" is much more lucrative than ministering to health.

Don't blame him that there are millions of imbeciles willing to pay for the privilege sucking down his crapola. He's laughing all the way to the bank.



#37247: — 08/24  at  01:06 AM
There's nothing left wing about Deepak Chopra or New Age. Or perhaps you think that believing in astrology made Reagan a left winger.



#37248: — 08/24  at  01:33 AM
"The helix or spiral shape found in the shell of the chambered nautilus, the center of sunflowers, spiral galaxies, and DNA itself seems to be such a replication."

The nautilus and sunflower pattern is a Fibonacci series, which is related to the transcendental (ooh ooh -- Chopra surely would have commented on this if he knew it) number <i>e</i> which plays a role in mathematical descriptions of rates of growth (e<super>x</super> is its own derivative). The spiral of galaxies and the helix of DNA are quite different curves.

"It is mathematically elegant and appears to be a design that was suited for hundreds of totally unrelated functions in nature."

Yeah, like marble was designed to be carved to many unrelated sculptures. Or consider rocks, or water -- look at all the different things we do with them; they must have been designed for that -- what else could possibly explain it?



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