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Friday, May 20, 2005

More on Doug Bjerregaard

I've heard from another source about the vivisected dog story. There's also a local report on the incident. I have to say that this story looks like it was driven by the irrational hysteria of one person, Linda Sears. Here's her part of the story.

On May 10, Linda Sears received a phone call from the high school, asking permission for her daughter, Sierra, to watch the procedure, a laparotomy, on the dog, which was scheduled to be put to sleep because of its aggressiveness.

After finding out the details, Sears refused to give permission.

"They were slaughtering an animal in front of these kids," said Sears. "He [the teacher, Doug Bjerregaard] was just a substitute, and this was not part of the curriculum.

"I'm concerned about this because they don't care about life. First, it's a dog then it'll be a kid. This kind of thing is inhumane—it's cruel to animals and unethical. They should have found a home for the dog.

"The school lied to us," Sears added. "They didn't tell us that the dog was alive. That's what bothers me as much as anything, that the school told us a bald-faced lie. Then they called the kids into a conference and pushed the kids into hiding what really happened."

There are some inconsistencies already. How did the school lie? They explained the procedure to her, and that was sufficient for her to refuse permission. And other parents say the situation was clearly explained to them.

But parents of students who did participate in the surgery observation dispute Sears' statements. Gay Bastian, whose two daughters were present, said she was fully aware of what was happening.

"The office called and told me about it. We were fully informed and wholeheartedly supported it. They said it was a live dog that would be fully anesthetized. My thought was that it was an incredible experience for my daughters, and they are lucky to have someone as caring as Mr. Bjerregaard."

Neither Sears nor her daughter were present, but they've got a horrific tale to tell.

Sears claimed she got involved partly because her daughter's friends came to her house following the surgery in hysterics. "They couldn't breathe, they were sobbing over the poor dog. They told me that the dog was sedated and that they cut into it and the poor thing started flopping around on the table."

When you read the veterinarian's account below, you'll see that this story is false. Throughout the story, we see another thing: Linda Sears proudly patting herself on the back for being so brave.

There is a dispute as to whether Sears or another Gunnison woman called KTVX. But the next day, Marcus Ortiz and a camera crew were in town. "They came out and met me, then Sierra and me talked to them," Sears said. "Now all the media wants to talk to me because I'm willing to stand up and none of the other parents are because they're too scared. "

Sears believes pressure from the school is causing parents and students not to speak out on the issue. "All the parents around here are afraid that it's going to be taken out on the kids. I spoke to one parent who is scared that her kids aren't going to graduate. She's afraid that teachers will grade her kids harder because she stands up for what she believes.

This is absurd. Students were given an opportunity to excuse themselves from the exercise; it clearly wasn't something that was going to be held against them. This woman is making up nonsensical stories of persecution to make herself look good, nothing more. It doesn't even jibe with what other people are saying.

Kirk Anderson, the school's principal, says he is not allowed to comment, but other teachers and office staff who did talk with the Messenger (but who have asked not to be named) appeared to be firmly behind Bjerregard. One teacher said, "I keep thinking that there have got to be some people in our town who have got to be upset by this but I can't find any."

Now look at Bjerregaard's side of the story. Note that Sears was downplaying this guy, calling him "just a substitute teacher". He's also the mayor of her small town, with 30 years teaching experience and some good credentials.

Doug Bjerregaard, the teacher who arranged the procedure, had been substituting for three weeks in the biology class when the opportunity arose to show students a lesson they could not learn from a textbook.

Bjerregaard, a one-time "Utah Science Teacher of the Year" who retired after more than 30 years in the classroom, is known to be a hand-on teacher who takes students outside to study moss on trees, measure silt in streams and examine various kinds of rocks.

"The greatest joy for me is to get a call late at night from a student that I taught 20 years ago and who lives hundreds of miles away but wants me to walk outside and look at a star."

Bjerregaard continued, "I don't fear judgment and I don't care about rewards. The only judgment that I fear is the judgment of my students and the reward is that I can open a student's mind. I've never had a student say, ‘This textbook really inspires me.' I want to teach so that wherever they go they'll have experiences that they never would have had otherwise."

The veterinarian who did the surgery also backs him up.

Dr. Tom Anderson, owner of the animal clinic where the procedure was performed, disputes Sears' statement that the dog was in any pain or that it was flopping around.

"I was morally, legally and ethically required to make sure that the dog was not in any pain. There was nothing inhumane about it. I agree that it was graphic—surgery is—but they were told about it beforehand," he said. "It was not a dissection. It was not a mutilation. It was a laparotomy [an incision made into the abdominal cavity]."

Anderson said the dog was a stray, and was not adoptable because of its aggressiveness. The dog had been kept for 14 days (three days is the legal minimum to keep a stray).

Anderson said he properly anesthetized the dog with a gas anesthestic, and that the dog was completely unconscious and could not feel anything.

"When the students arrived I explained that if they felt upset or dizzy that they should step out of the room," Anderson said. "I opened the stomach and showed the students the working digestive system. I did open the diaphragm and as is natural, the dog gasped.

"The dog was perfectly still the entire time. He was anesthetized so he never moved. I don't know why a parent who wasn't there, with a daughter who wasn't there, would say that [that it was flopping around]."

Students present corroborated Anderson's version of the story.

You know, in my original comments on this story, I thought it was an excellent exercise, but had a few caveats. I thought it should be optional, and that the assistance of a qualified vet was required. The rest of the story satisfies me completely, and I think the students in Gunnison were fortunate to have a teacher who went far beyond the minimal requirements of his job.

This Sears character, on the other hand, seems a bit disreputable to me, and sounds more like a foe of good teaching. My source also mentioned a few other problematic issues in her past, like a police record and a history of charges of animal cruelty…on her part.

This may seem counterintuitive, but I've found far more respect and honest concern for animal welfare among scientists who routinely experiment on them, than I have ever found among the extremist animal rights crowd. There's a strange inversion of values that you see most strongly in animal hoarders, but I see the same glassy-eyed irrationality in the PETA/ALF types.


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Comments:
#25429: — 05/20  at  05:02 PM
Vivisection is butchery. I oppose it in all cases. All. Not just puppies and kitties.

What great scientific purpose is advanced by high school boys and girls watching aminals being gutted? So they can take a look? So they can be awed as another living entity is gut-split.

I am an animal rights supporter and not, as you endearingly remark, "starry-eyed". I am a vegeterian and am a "speciest". My bioethical postitions where developed over many years and much contemplation. I studied science in my undergraduate program and my Post-doc is in the science of economics. Fellow living creatures are invested by their mere existence and heredity of keen and efficient evolution to enjoy life and to maintain it. They are not props, test ranges for cosmetics or human drugs.

I want a bruising and nasty fight on this because I was sickened by chat in the Gunniston incident and your cowed praise of the vivesectionist and the complicit vet. And I want your scientific discipline to be barraged by the fact that your position is found to be contemptible by most Americans and to consider this fact when you unabashedly support vivisection/butchery. (And by this American who is pro-science, a scientist, and a supporter of science education and evolution education) But my professional duties kept me focsused elsewhere at the time.

Oh, and the inevitably of the dog's euthansia is irrelvant. It had the dignity of life, despite being abandoned and probably abused by its human "companions".



's avatar #25432: Nullifidian — 05/20  at  05:13 PM
So how was PZ Myers cowed? Did a cadre of retired science teachers storm U Minn Morris and threaten to throw him over the parapet unless he praised Doug Bjerregaard? Your vitriol belies the pretense of having considered this position for years.

"We are obliged, therefore, to spread the news, painful and bitter though it may be for some to hear, that all living things on earth are kindred.” Edward Abbey, Desert Solitaire



#25437: — 05/20  at  05:33 PM
I didn't comment onm the original story, because I felt there was too little data for us to make any knowledgable commentary, however it seems that everything was in proper order, and that Bjerregaard didn't do anything wrong.

One can argue about the moral implication of the procedure, but legally (and to some degree pedagogically) speaking, all seems to be in order.



#25438: coturnix — 05/20  at  05:34 PM
The inability of people, blinded by pathological emotion, to make a distinction between animal protection (important and wonderful activity) and animal rights (a philosophically untenable position leading to terrorist behavior), is one of my pet peeves. I ah to deal, in the past, with students who had taken an "ethics" course with Tom Regan - they were a pain to deal with: all anger, no reason. Fortunately, he has retired, though he seems to be shurning out books every couple of months or so, and is constantly on the radio and in the papers.

I do not want to get involved in this, as I do not want to desecrate the clean walls of Pharyngula house (and get banned here). I wrote in the previous (related) post all I wabted to say. I am posting this just so I can get e-mail notifications....



#25441: — 05/20  at  05:47 PM
Fellow living creatures are invested by their mere existence and heredity of keen and efficient evolution to enjoy life and to maintain it.

Better stop eating those vegetables, then, eh? Or do you only support heterotrophs, you anti-autotroph bigot? Just because they can make their own food makes them less special, huh?



#25442: — 05/20  at  05:57 PM
I can't agree that, "the inevitably [sic] of the dog's euthansia [sic] is irrelvant [sic]." While I don't think that animals are only here to be useful to us, and deserve some existence in their own right, this dog was not wild, it was not taken from its home for this demonstration. "Graphic," yes. Unethical? No.
All in all, a great experience for those that participated.



#25443: judgeMC — 05/20  at  05:59 PM
I wish I had a teacher as willing as MR.Bjerregaard to take such an interest in my education. How does Mrs. Sears think that young vets learn thier craft? or med students? Respectfully this mother sounds like she is living in an educational vaccum with only her self-importance to keep her company.



#25447: — 05/20  at  06:11 PM
Oh, and the inevitably of the dog's euthansia is irrelvant. It had the dignity of life, despite being abandoned and probably abused by its human "companions".


We don't know the dog's history, but the scenario you propose is a very likely one--there are some vicious dogs that seem to be "hard-wired" that way, but many more are vicious because they are improperly treated by humans who should know better.

Assuming that scenario, I agree that the probable abuse and abandonment of the dog sealed its fate for early death one way or another, and is a very deep wrong (although the euthanasia was a kinder death than what could have occurred in the wild, had the dog not been found).

Given that, I think we differ on its import. From what you wrote, I am assuming that you take a more purist position, that no good can come out of a wrong action, and that the learning experience should therefore never have taken place. I tend to a more pragmatist position--since the dog was consigned to an early death by whatever events had brought it there, I'm willing to consider the possibility that some of that wrongness can be mitigated by a good coming out of it.

Notice that this argument is totally a posteriori--I would never argue that someone should abuse and abandon a dog, just to provide a learning experience out of the euthanasia that will result. However, given that the original wrong happened, and can't be undone, if a valid learning experience can be gained (as the students' reports seem to indicate), I think that allowing students to learn about physiology (which some of them will use to help animals in future), can derive some good out of the original wrong treatment of the dog.



#25450: Senshin — 05/20  at  06:15 PM
Just a thought for the antivivisection people.
What if you were in a terriable auto accident and
were met at the emergency room by a group of
biologically ignorant economists?



#25451: — 05/20  at  06:16 PM
I'm in the position of being against the vivisection of a live animal* in this particular case, but totally wanting to distance myself from Sears, and, alas, Quantu-11. Sears is an attention-seeking dingbat, and she would get no support from me if it were my town.

I am pretty uncomfortable with the idea that since the dog was going to be euthanised, it was okay to vivisect it. It's a weak ethical stance, I feel, not worthy of any of the scientists here.

But, Quantu, you're not helping your position with cheap rhetoric ("cowed"?) and a pugnacious attitude, proclaiming that you're ready for a fight. You come over like a drunk in a bar.


* Yes, I do know this is redundant....



#25456: — 05/20  at  06:42 PM
I have to admit, I'm a little torn about this whole story.

On the one hand, the idea of dissecting a still-living (even if thoroughly anesthetised) animal is repugnant to me. Though, from the descriptions, it doesn't sound like they did anything much different than a normal surgery -- it's not like they were removing organs or something.

On the other hand, the assumption by animal rights wackos that vicious dogs can be rehabilitated has led to mutilations and deaths of my fellow human beings. And, frankly, I place my fellow humans above animal life. If I had to kill my beloved pet cats to save a human life, I'd hate it, and it would haunt me to the end of my days, but I would do it.



's avatar #25458: PZ Myers — 05/20  at  06:53 PM
Here's the thing: you guys don't have to witness it, you don't have to get your hands bloody. You just have to avert your eyes while the people who want to learn more about organismal biology do it.

But seriously, you are missing a wonderful opportunity and are failing to appreciate one important aspect of our fellow organisms' workings. And that's OK.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#25469: Bucklerpeld — 05/20  at  07:41 PM
"First, it's a dog then it'll be a kid."

Is this woman serious? The slippery slope tactic? I laughed out loud at the absurdity.



#25472: QrazyQat — 05/20  at  08:27 PM
and not, as you endearingly remark, "starry-eyed".

It was "glassy-eyed"; no need to make it sound sweeter -- that defuses its usefulness in a rant. And the rant could've been far more effective if it were less seemingly glassy-eyed irrationality. There are arguments to be made about experimentation on animals, and even vivisection, as well as animal rights, but they are made poorly by overblown rants -- there's a balancing act to be done in an effective rant, and Quantu, you missed it. These things must be delicately, or you hurt the spell.



#25474: — 05/20  at  10:14 PM
The first time I read the story (which was in an earlier blog) I have to admit that I was taken aback abit. However, the more I read up on the background (the new sources provided) the more I began to think that there was nothing wrong at all. Just the words "dissection of a live animal" made me uncomfortable. I love animals and have since childhood. Becoming a vet was a dream for me, things have changed as I grew up but the love didn't dissapear. I don't see why we should be condemning people when in other circumstances we would only be too glad to receive their help (a surgery for a beloved pet perhaps?). It is a bit hypocritical, wouldn't you agree? Some people can "handle it" that's why they are vets and surgeons while the rest of us just squirm. I don't think that anything wrong was done least of all to the feral dog.



#25476: — 05/20  at  10:37 PM
I think many of you are missing an additional point: the dog was not vivisected or dissected. According to the vet in the linked article, a single cut was made through the abdomen to expose the digestive tract.

I don't know why so many people have such a visceral reaction to this, but some people faint at just the sight of blood so I guess it's not that weird. As for myself, I love this kind of thing. I really miss the surgery shows from The Learning Channel.

Have you ever seen animals eat in the wild? It may not be pretty, nor a very happy time for the animal turned meal, but this is how life works on this planet (and I assume it works the same way on any other planet where life exists).



#25478: — 05/20  at  11:11 PM
"The inability of people, blinded by pathological emotion, to make a distinction between animal protection (important and wonderful activity) and animal rights (a philosophically untenable position leading to terrorist behavior)"

Wow, just as overblown as what you're railing against. I don't see how animal rights (certainly not the same rights as humans) is necessarily philosophically untenable, much less "leading to terrorist behavior." Geez. People can have legitimate arguments about what rights should or should not be afforded to particular beings without smearing the other side.



#25480: coturnix — 05/21  at  12:19 AM
The very use of language of "rights" is legally improper, philosophically untenable, and intentionally misleading.

Two main ideologues of the movement, Tom Regan and Peter Singer have, with no outside help, destroyed each other's arguments a long time ago.

The rest of them are just emotional sheep, bombing research facilities, threatening the lives of researchers, and releasing the animals into the wild where they are promptly slaughtered by predators within hours - isn't that terrorism?

There is a huge literature out there. As I said, I do not want to get into this argument on PZ's blog - it is too emotionally laden and reason does not work. It is also a difficult argument that other people have written much better than I can hope to do in a short comment here. Go find the information yourself. Google can help.



#25484: — 05/21  at  01:46 AM
Anyone here may explain alternative viewpoints to me if they desire, but I tend to think ethical (moral) behavior exists by virtue of experience. I believe that morals exist to support human beings - that they are tools. There are times when I feel ethical behavior is not practical. I would have done something very similar, in the same position, if only I'd had the wit to recognize the oppertunity. He has my full support.



#25487: — 05/21  at  02:26 AM
I think many of you are missing an additional point: the dog was not vivisected or dissected. According to the vet in the linked article, a single cut was made through the abdomen to expose the digestive tract.


Heh. Yes As you can see I am pretty ignorant of the meanings of the specific terms. It's all dissection to me smile That's why I am not a vet or a biologist.



#25488: — 05/21  at  02:26 AM
So, would it be wrong to go all the way and do this say, on a death row inmate?

I'd love to see that, and seeing as to how the death row inmate is going to die anyway, he may as well serve science on the way out.



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#25503: — 05/21  at  07:41 AM
PZ said: " Here's the thing: you guys don't have to witness it, you don't have to get your hands bloody. You just have to avert your eyes while the people who want to learn more about organismal biology do it."

An analogy: Let's assume that we can make a plausible argument that the Iraq war will, in a few years, turn out to have saved civilian lives (assume that nuclear weapons, set up by the Ba'ath party cadre, ready to go, are found.) Then, even though by the Kantian ethics the war was still unjustified, we can say that it was a just war, by utilitarian standards. Then, a Utilitarian - call him/her 'U' - might say to the "irrational" Kantians: "...you guys don't have to witness it, you don't have to get your hands bloody", "...You just have to avert your eyes while the people who want to [save lives] do it [i.e. kill Iraqis]."

In general, assuming that you think that a dog is covered by our practice of ethical thinking, your position is very similar to U, above.

Averting your eyes to an unethical act is not really an ethical act itself. You seem to presuppose that dog-vivisection is ethically neutral, at worst. However, then you're not arguing with Sears (whose contention was thta this act was unethical), rather you're begging the question against her.



#25504: — 05/21  at  07:50 AM
"The very use of language of "rights" is legally improper, philosophically untenable, and intentionally misleading...The rest of them are just emotional sheep, bombing research facilities...isn't that terrorism?"

Wow, way to undermine your own credibility with hyperbole.

There is a (dull and technical) argument to be made about the use of 'rights' language in this debate, but that doesn't undermine the perfectly tenable moral position that deliberately causing suffering in any creature is morally wrong (that could follow from Bentham's utilitarianism, rather than rights talk). In that sense an animal has a 'right' not to be caused to suffer. And you would characterise someone with that moral position as an 'animal rights' advocate even though they aren't really using the language of rights.

Secondly, to claim that everyone from an animal rights perspective (other than Singer and Regan for some reason) is a terrorist, is slanderous rubbish for which you have absolutely no basis.



#25505: — 05/21  at  08:01 AM
"I think many of you are missing an additional point: the dog was not vivisected or dissected. According to the vet in the linked article, a single cut was made through the abdomen to expose the digestive tract."

In what was is that not vivisection? Cutting open a live animal, that's what vivisection is, that's what it means vivi (alive, from vivus) and section (as in to cut up)!



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