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Wednesday, August 10, 2005

Nature gets in the act

Nature has an editorial and a news item on Bush's Intelligent Design creationism flap. The striking thing about both of them is how incredibly optimistic they are, although they also emphasize that while the response by the scientific community has been vigorous, it has to continue to be strong and outspoken. I agree with this idea, too, although I regret to say that it would be personally impossible for me to do the political part (can you guess why?):

Many experts say that scientists should get more involved in local politics—especially on school boards, where the conflicting views of scientists and advocates of intelligent design often play out. "Scientists have to be evangelical about explaining what science is, as well as its limitations," says Krauss.

I've put the complete text of both articles below the fold. They are well worth reading. They cheered me up, at least.

Nature 436, 753 (11 August 2005) | doi: 10.1038/436753a
Keeping religion out of science class
President Bush's endorsement of 'intelligent design' has sparked a national debate in which scientists are well positioned to prevail.

Comments made last week by President George W. Bush have encouraged advocates of 'intelligent design', the idea that a hidden hand must lie somewhere behind the evolution of life. But the scientific community has responded energetically and effectively to Bush's statements. If researchers persevere, they can win this argument and keep religion out of the biology classroom.

In an informal 90-minute interview with newspaper reporters from his home state of Texas on 1 August, Bush talked at length about everything from abortion to illegal immigration. When asked about his view of intelligent design, the president was hesitant at first, re-iterating that, as governor of Texas, he had supported the right of local school boards to choose what is taught in the classroom. Prodded further to give an opinion, Bush said: "I'm not suggesting—you're asking me whether or not people ought to be exposed to different ideas, and the answer is yes."

A great deal has been made of the president's off-the-cuff endorsement of intelligent design. But it is worth noting the hesitancy of his comments: he didn't even mention intelligent design by name. Bush is a self-proclaimed evangelical Christian, and religious conservatives are often credited with helping him win last year's election. But he knows perfectly well that the introduction of religious ideas into science class is a potentially explosive issue in US politics—and not necessarily one that works in his favour.

The teaching of creationism in schools has been energetically advocated in parts of the United States for decades, but it has rarely help politicians to win elections, even in the heartland. Take Kansas, whose school board sought in 1999 to restrict the teaching of evolution in public schools. A vocal outcry by scientists, business leaders and others soon led to the electoral defeat of the board members in question and a repeal of the restrictions (see Nature 406, 552; 2000).

Those Republicans who anticipate an encounter with the electorate are therefore cautious about the open embrace of intelligent design. Senator Rick Santorum (Republican, Pennsylvania), for example, is a Catholic and one of the most conservative members of the Senate, who faces a tough re-election battle next year. Just after Bush's remarks, he forthrightly declared: "I'm not comfortable with intelligent design being taught in the science classroom." Perhaps Santorum judges, wisely, that otherwise-conservative voters in the suburbs of Philadelphia and Pittsburgh would draw the line at backing a senator who wants to teach creationism to little Brad and Britney in biology class.

Even hard-line creationists are aware of the political price of appearing to be against science in a nation that puts so much stock in it. Part of the idea of intelligent design, of course, is subterfuge, an attempt to introduce religion under the guise of science. In Kansas, after the last row died down, a more conservative school board was elected once again, and now may approve the inclusion of intelligent design in its school curriculum. The progress of this effort—which scientists have once again made a concerted effort to oppose—will be a bellwether for the rest of the country.

Part of the idea of intelligent design is subterfuge, an attempt to introduce religion under the guise of science.

As we report on Scientists attack Bush over intelligent design, scientific leaders have responded effectively to Bush's ill-advised comments. Researchers from a range of disciplines have spoken out vigorously, making it clear that the president's apparent willingness to allow intelligent design into the classroom is at odds with America's pressing need to improve science education. They should continue to speak out in all available forums.

This argument has reverberated in US politics since at least 1925, when John Scopes, a high-school teacher in Dayton, Tennessee, was convicted and fined for teaching evolution. The fight will go on—but science and reason can ultimately win.

Nature 436, 761 (11 August 2005) | doi: 10.1038/436761a
Scientists attack Bush over intelligent design
Virginia Gewin
President's remarks spark angry response.

US scientists are again on the offensive against intelligent design, an idea that many see as thinly veiled creationism. The latest round stems from remarks by President George W. Bush, who on 1 August told a small group of reporters that he thought both evolution and intelligent design "ought to be properly taught" in US schools.

Scientists and science educators cried foul almost immediately, saying that such remarks could further the notion that intelligent design is a valid scientific alternative to evolution. Many researchers felt compelled to respond, even though Bush made his comments off the cuff in an informal setting. Because of the president's status, they say, his words could be used to introduce religious ideas into science classes.

"What the president has done is give impetus to people who would like to push their side of this agenda, and that's a real problem," says Fred Spilhaus, executive director of the American Geophysical Union (AGU), one of the first groups to respond to Bush's remarks. The AGU statement carried the headline "President confuses science and belief, puts schoolchildren at risk". The American Institute of Biological Sciences, the American Physical Society and the American Astronomical Society also released statements saying that intelligent design has no place in the science classroom.

Intelligent design—the notion that certain features of living organisms are so complex that they must have been shaped by an external intelligence—has enjoyed increasing prominence among the US public, although not among scientists (see Nature 434, 1062−1065; 2005). This is despite Bush's science adviser John Marburger stating on the record that intelligent design is not a scientific theory.

Lawrence Krauss, a theoretical physicist at Case Western Reserve University in Ohio and a frequent speaker on evolution issues, says that all scientists should be concerned. "Make no mistake—this is not an attack on evolution, but on science," he says.

Researchers are looking for new ways to fight the public-relations battle between science and intelligent design. Douglas Futuyma, an evolutionary biologist at the State University of New York at Stony Brook, says he would like to see a public-relations push mounted by an independent scientific group, such as the National Academy of Sciences.

Many experts say that scientists should get more involved in local politics—especially on school boards, where the conflicting views of scientists and advocates of intelligent design often play out. "Scientists have to be evangelical about explaining what science is, as well as its limitations," says Krauss.

Kenneth Miller, a biologist at Brown University in Providence, Rhode Island, adds that scientists should highlight that there is no dissent over evolution within the scientific community and that if intelligent design had scientific merit, it would have been addressed by the vigorous and open scientific process.


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Comments:
#34794: — 08/10  at  06:15 PM
"Scientists have to be evangelical about explaining what science is, as well as its limitations," says Krauss.
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An annoyingly poor choice of words by Dr. Krauss.

Rather than lecture other scientists, why can't people like Dr. Krauss learn to simply state the plain truth when they are interviewed by the press? i.e., "Intelligent design is nothing but propaganda. From a scientific perspective, it's complete garbage and what the charlatans at the Discovery Institute are doing should disgust all Americans, the religious and non-religious alike."

That is what the public needs to hear. The public doesn't need a lecture about what science is and what it isn't. They need to know that the Discovery Institute consists of jerks who habitually and intentionally misrepresent the truth to serve their fundamentalist religious purposes (and their fundamentalist donors).



#34798: — 08/10  at  06:24 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2005/EDUCATION/08/10/life.evolution.reut/index.html

Fresh off the press.

"Kansas (Reuters) -- After months of debate over science and religion, the Kansas Board of Education has tentatively approved new state science standards that weaken the role evolution plays in teaching about the origin of life. ...

"We think this is a great development ... for the academic freedom of students," said John West, senior fellow of the Discovery Institute, which supports intelligent design theory.
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Now, how does Eugenie Scott respond to this development in the press? Does she attack the Discovery Institute and John West as disgusting charlatans who are paid to trash science?

Nope. Here's what she says, knowing that her statement will be read all over the country by barely literate people who have no clue about what is going on:

"This is neo-creationism, trying to avoid the legal morass of trying to teach creationism overtly and slip it in through the backdoor."

Pathetic.

We need new leaders. We need new leaders. We need new leaders.



#34822: — 08/10  at  08:10 PM
Since the intention of Bush's statement, as with everything else he does, is political and not scientific, why does it seem to be out of bounds for rebuttal from scientists to note that this particular Texas dust storm is terribly convenient for distracting the public and the media from numerous scandals and debacles such as global warming, Rovegate, record deficits, and problems in a place whose name rhymes with tie-rack?



#34824: — 08/10  at  08:22 PM
I think I'll look for a job in a country without all this crap. It's very clear that the harder the creationists push, the farther America falls behind in the sciences. Why couldn't Texas A&M have been the first organization to have cloned a dog, instead of a Korean institute?

Actually, it did strike me as a little interesting that TA&M would have been involved in such research at all, considering their reputation as a conservative Christian school. Perhaps there's some hope that not all conservative Christians are also anti-science?



#34826: — 08/10  at  08:26 PM
To Pierce:

Good point, though I'm not in the business of assuming all politicians are that calculating - and especially not George. Not unless he had Rove with him, planting the questions.



#34829: Matt McIrvin — 08/10  at  08:42 PM
Sometimes I think we in the US let the bastards at home grind us down more than we should. Maybe Nature has the perspective that comes with a little distance (though the UK has problems of its own).

A while back I was reading Crooked Timber and some guy who I think was British said, offhand, "Bush is a disaster, but he'll be gone in three years." Well, there are things to argue with in that; I know that, especially in America, we'll be paying for his various actions for a lot longer than that, and the Republican machine that created him will still be around.

But, on the other hand, reading that statement and feeling the slight surprise that I felt when reading it, I realized that on some subconscious level I've come to think of the Bush Administration as an invincible, unstoppable menace that will exist forever, eat the soul of humanity and destroy all that is good in the universe. And right now these morons are not even all that popular. They lack a really coherent opposition, but how long is that going to go on?



#34830: sort of buddhist — 08/10  at  08:46 PM
I'm looking for the actual text of the tentative Kansas standards, but all the news stories I see just have vague descriptions of it. Is there any place on the Web where the text can be found?



#34833: — 08/10  at  09:20 PM
On a side note, MUCH thanks, Dr. Myers, for posting the full text of an article from Nature for those of us unable to access that great journal otherwise! And similarly, thanks for pointing us to PLoS, yay!



#34841: roy Sablosky — 08/10  at  09:42 PM
I was severely disappointed by the Nature 11 August piece. It is not the responsibility of scientists to "be evangelical about explaining what science is, as well as its limitations." That is creationist language. When the anti-Darwinists talk about the inadequacies of the scientific method, they have absolutely no idea what they are talking about. Nor do they care that they have no idea what they're talking about, because their cause is unrelated to reason, unrelated to religious belief, and unrelated to the public good. Why are these people doing this stuff? -- because they "believe" in some "deity"? I'm afraid not. Did Hitler want to kill all the Jews because he sincerely believed that "Aryans" are superior? Are you crazy? He wanted to kill the Jews because it suited his political agenda, and that's why creationists disparage evolution. It suits their political agenda. Do you really think they are opposed to evolution on a moral level? I'm afraid not. Being opposed to evolution suits their political agenda -- or, to put a finer point on it, someone is paying them to do so. Stop being deceived by the rhetoric of religion. There are no gods, and therefore there is no way to acquire the blessing of a god or pay tribute to a god or take a god's advice. None of those things can happen. There are no gods -- not even one. So as soon as people use their religion as an excuse for something or other, they are either deluded, or lying. We have to stop giving religious memes any credit for any benefit for any human being. The people who spread religion are deluded, or lying. The people who imagine that public policy should be based on religious considerations are deluded, or lying. The people who write op-ed pieces supporting creationism are deluded, or lying. Stop giving them any credit. They deserve no attention, no respect, no public funds, no friendly handshakes. They are parasites. They deserve nothing. We deserve a cure.



#34847: Pete — 08/10  at  10:04 PM
Thread over, I guess (Godwin's law).

But how true, that the comments of both Scott and Krauss are "softened", out of a desire not to appear snarky. (How in the world could Krauss have said "evangelical"?? Don't activate those frames, man.)



#34872: — 08/11  at  12:35 AM
Godwin's Law: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (i.e. certainty)."

Nothing about "thread over".

> out of a desire not to appear snarky

and thereby allow people to lie and cheat with impunity.



#34883: — 08/11  at  05:56 AM
I regret to say that it would be personally impossible for me to do the political part (can you guess why?)

OK I'll bite. Is it because you are on the public record as being atheist, and the American public would never vote for a godless moral relativist?

George Bush Snr: "No, I don't know that Atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."



's avatar #34887: PZ Myers — 08/11  at  06:07 AM
Yes. Especially in this small town I'm living in: atheism is the first smear any political opponents would use, and it would be effective. Also, my opponents would be linked in to the church community, which would help them network and get votes.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#34903: — 08/11  at  08:24 AM
Science isn't a public relations exercise. The success of a theory isn't decided by elections or polls. The role of science is to amorally, objectively and dispassionately observe, hypothesize, experiment and report. To advocate a theory in a political setting cheapens the science behind it, no matter how well grounded it is. Let the debate rage among the (uhem) scientists, but leave the layperson out of it.
The answer to the advocacy question lies with our TEACHERS and PROFESSORS. They should bear the weight of ensuring our children can separate science from fiction.
Science belongs in politics no more than religion does.



#35203: ThomH — 08/12  at  05:38 PM
Roy:
I'm willing to bet that Hilter and many others really did consider Aryans superior. Calling it "just politics" misses the point. Unacceptable as it may be to you, many people do really believe--and act on--convinctions that have no basis in science.

Sean:
buddy, don't know what world you're living in--though it sounds like a good one to me. Our politics are permeated by religion--and we're a nation in which some folks (the ACLU, AU, and individuals like myself) fight against the establishment of religion and for freedom of conscience. We're doing out best--but I'm not promising you that we're winning. (That's just religion in USA --we're not even looking at the global picture which includes certifiable theocracies).

Likewise, science is big business, at times a national security matter, a certainly an educational issue as well as an indicator of future national economic prospects.

NO WAY to keep politics out. So the scientifically informed had better contribute to wise policy decisions. Which will get made with you or without you.

Some of you wonderful people should be just a little less naive. Or even a lot less naive.

To end on a positive note, Jerry Coyne did a great job with his TNR essay; H Allen Orr, a few months earlier with his New Yorker essay.

More like that. More like that. What we need is -- what I'm really saying is -- more like that.



#35223: roy Sablosky — 08/12  at  08:30 PM
ThomH said:
I'm willing to bet that Hilter and many others really did consider Aryans superior. Calling it "just politics" misses the point. Unacceptable as it may be to you, many people do really believe--and act on--convinctions that have no basis in science.
What point have I missed by calling it "just politics" (which, by the way, I didn't)? I'm trying to say: given that creationist claims have no basis in science (that is, in observable reality), it doesn't matter what reasons their proponents give for making these claims -- whether it's religion, fame, a desire to get laid, or whatever. The claims are provably false, and therefore the people who continue to make them are frauds. We don't care why they're doing it.But, as everyone has noted, they contextualize their claims in theology, and therefore gain some unearned respect (from people who respect religion (that is,almost everyone)). And then they try to do the same thing with the word "science"!! But it doesn't matter what they name their position, it only matters what their position is -- or, more strictly, what affect it will have on the public good. Therefore we should say to the creationists: We don't care whether you call this stuff religion, or science, or haberdashery. Your ideas are wrong, and everyone knows they're wrong, including, I would wager, you. So stop showing up at our school-board meetings and acting like a fool. Go home and think about why you have accepted a job that requires you to lie through your teeth all day long.



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