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Wednesday, April 27, 2005

Nature lays an egg

Nature has just published a couple of opinion pieces on Intelligent Design creationism, and has even put the subject on the cover. One article is also open access: Who has designs on your students' minds?. Unfortunately, it's a terrible article. How the hell could this thing have been published? It's like they didn't bounce it past a single biologist before dumping it on the prestigious pages of Nature.

For one thing, the article is centered on, of all people, Salvador Cordova. Cordova has no background in biology at all, and has been a tedious pest on various online bulletin boards. He's dogmatic, ignorant, and completely oblivious to how science in general works, and is even more obtuse when the subject rolls around to biology. It is true that he is an excellent representative of the the broad cluelessness of ID creationism proponents, but the article says nothing about the inanity of his contributions. Reading it, you'd think he was a competent and thoughtful thinker, rather than the kneejerk twit we've all come to know on Access Research Network.

This quote encapsulates Cordova neatly:

Since high school, Cordova had been a devout Christian, but as he studied science and engineering at George Mason, he found his faith was being eroded. "The critical thinking and precision of science began to really affect my ability to just believe something without any tangible evidence," he says.

After taking the ghastly Cordova seriously, there's another substantial flaw: the author, Geoff Brumfiel, keeps referring to biologists as "Darwinists", dear god. Eugenie Scott is "the nation's most high-profile Darwinist"? "Darwinists are divided in their response"? Brumfiel apparently has an undergrad degree in physics; do you think he'd have no objection if I referred to him and all physicists generically as Newtonists?

I'm disappointed with this article. If this is the kind of help you want to offer US scientists, Nature, forget it—we don't need any more journalists fawning over the pseudoscientists of the ID movement.


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Comments:
#23192: charlie wagner — 04/27  at  12:51 PM
Paul wrote:
"For one thing, the article is centered on, of all people, Salvador Cordova. Cordova has no background in biology at all, and has been a tedious pest on various online bulletin boards. He's dogmatic, ignorant, and completely oblivious to how science in general works, and is even more obtuse when the subject rolls around to biology.


I guess they should have called me...



#23194: — 04/27  at  01:01 PM
The most eloquent critisism <i>Nature<i> could possibly make already is out there PZ. How many research papers on the field of ID have they published? 'Nuff said.



#23198: Skeptico — 04/27  at  01:29 PM
I still can’t get my head around this statement:

"The critical thinking and precision of science began to really affect my ability to just believe something without any tangible evidence,"

And this is a bad thing?



#23200: Brad R. — 04/27  at  01:32 PM
Scientists really need to do a better job of combating this nonsense- LOUDLY- in public. PZ's done a damn fine job. I'm reading DENYING EVOLUTION right now. Once you take a detailed look at ID's arguments, they completely fall apart.



#23201: — 04/27  at  01:32 PM
Bad as the article is, the quote from Cordova is astounding:

The critical thinking and precision of science began to really affect my ability to just believe something without any tangible evidence.

Could you possibly ask for a better quote, one that more eloquently sums up the ID/Creationist view? Forget about all that critical thinking and precision, I just want to believe what I want to believe! It's absolutely priceless. Whether at the Kansas kangaroo hearings, in journals, or in the popular media, this quote should become the tagline for ID/Creationism.

It just goes to show that some dark clouds really do have silver linings.



#23203: — 04/27  at  01:42 PM
That's such a beautiful quote. I'm in love with it. I want to make it my new sig file. What a propaganda own-goal.



's avatar #23204: PZ Myers — 04/27  at  01:44 PM
Cordova is like a poster boy for creationist idiocy, and yeah, that's pretty much typical for him. What's galling, though, is how Nature could so consistently fail to follow up on that kind of nonsense.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#23206: — 04/27  at  01:45 PM
The critical thinking and precision of science began to really affect my ability to just believe something without any tangible evidence...
...especially those things that align perfectly with my (overtly uneducated) views of the world.

smile

In other words, "Ignorance is Bliss."

It is this type of person whom we need to temporarily (ahem) isolate from the luxuries of science (technology, medicine, etc.) - and then we'll see how quickly they re-acquire an appreciation for "tangible" evidence.

Praying Believing that "there is water and food over there," most certainly does not (and will not) make it so...

...that is, unless it is so - and you'll know it when you see it, inevitably through the power of empirical observation.

Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

-Jerry Garcia



#23207: — 04/27  at  01:45 PM
I think Charlie's right, they could have called him and had the equal of Salvador. Nature couldn't have even looked at ARN first to see what a colossal waste of air Cordova is?

Intelligent design, Cordova notes, does not even attempt to prove the type of deity involved, it just points to some sort of supernatural intervention. In other words, he says: "Intelligent design doesn't have any theology to it."

Look at the above paragraph, and try to miss the contradiction.

We could as easily ask how anything "natural" could possibly point to something "supernatural", of course, or how we could inductively come to the conclusion that any sort of designer was responsible for a design when we do not know this designer's nature in any way (we could identify design by unknown "natural agents" because we know something of the "nature" of such agents).

But enough of that already. The real question is, couldn't the author find any of the many quotes that show Salvador to be inept at empirical science in general, and biology in particular? Or even recognize how moronic it is to claim that "identifying supernatural agents" is separate from theology? I know that critiquing the many ID philosophy mistakes is not Nature's forte, but surely they could find someone capable of mentioning at least a few of Salvador's stupid ideas.



#23225: — 04/27  at  02:47 PM
"I know that critiquing the many ID philosophy mistakes is not Nature's forte, but surely they could find someone capable of mentioning at least a few of Salvador's stupid ideas."

Oh, I have a feeling that someone will help Nature out in this regard. That's what Internet archives are for.



#23238: RPM — 04/27  at  03:54 PM
Science and Nature are notorious for their royal fuckups in all fields. That's what happens when you're the jack-of-all-trades of scientific publications - you are a master of none. In fact, Nature Genetics has a higher impact factor than nature. When it comes to the evolutionary biology literature, I trust what I read in Genetics, Evolution, MBE, JME, or any other excellent field specific journal more than a lot of the terse drivel that makes it into nature. If it's important, it will also appear in a more specific journal.

That being said, they do have a responsibility to publish good science since their visibility is so high, and they often do. It's just that so many people read those high profile pubs that they get caught with their pants down every time they make a mistake.



#23252: Orac — 04/27  at  06:03 PM
Science and Nature have a distressing tendency to be more concerned with publishing controversial findings that will make news than with whether the science is actually any good. Most of what makes it into those journals is high quality, but they do publish clunkers every so often in the name of being "cutting edge" or "controversial." As for their editorials, they're even worse.

--
Orac “A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”
http://oracknows.blogspot.com



#23257: — 04/27  at  06:19 PM
What gets me about this article... No, scratch that. The whole thing is awful, every bit of it. But the little bit that especially stuck in my craw, the part that summarized the idiocy of the content and tone of this piece, was the uncritical use of the phrase "intelligent design researchers." Oh really? Who would they be? Where is their, you know, RESEARCH if they're researchers? Where are their fricking labs?

A few years ago when Dembski came peddling his line of bull at The University of Georgia (invited by the [far right wing] Christian Faculty Forum, not by any department), I sent him back-pedaling with that simple question: "Excuse me, Dr. Dembski. Since you keep calling Intelligent Design a scientific theory, perhaps you can tell us where the empirical research is being conducted? Where are the labs, the equipment, the research data?"

I'm still waiting for my answer. And the fact that Nature didn't even see a need to ask that sort of question strikes me as the worst sort of journalistic irresponsibility.



#23261: Harshblogger — 04/27  at  07:44 PM
I have a problem with the question they asked "do you think Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is...". That question is ambiguous. I, myself, might be confused by that question. As I remember from my anthropology class Darwin's theory of evolution is not correct... or rather not complete. There have been developments in evolutionary biology beyond Darwin (punctuated equilibrium, etc.). If I were in the field I would be offended to be called a Darwinists. Your analogy to Newtonists is a good one. As a physicist I would hate to be called a Newtonists. Science is not stagnate.



#23265: — 04/27  at  08:11 PM
Much of the interest [in ID] can be traced to US teenagers, more than three-quarters of whom believe, before they reach university, that God played some part in the origin of humans. "Students are in the challenge-authority mode at that time in their life, and I think they're intrigued," says Stephen Meyer, director of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute.

And so we return to the radical right's idea that professors do not have any kind of privileged view on their subject -- that a student's uninformed belief is as good, if not better, than a scholar's informed knowledge. (This is the same belief that leads university freshmen to Ayn Rand, with similarly dismal results.)

However, I would like to highlight this: "The basic problem that I have theologically is that God's activity in the world should be hidden," says George Murphy, a Lutheran theologian, PhD physicist, and author of The Cosmos in the Light of the Cross. Murphy says Lutherans believe that God's primary revelation came through Jesus Christ, and many find it distasteful that additional divine fingerprints should appear in nature.

Who you gonna trust on this, the engineer with no background in science or theology, or the scientist with a seminary background? Ah, but there's that pesky "qualifications" issue again....



#23273: — 04/27  at  10:37 PM
Much of the interest [in ID] can be traced to US teenagers...
Hey, give us a break!

Not only are our parents divorced, but we are constantly stoned and have had very little responsibility placed on our shoulders.

Curse that Music Television.

Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

-Jerry Garcia



#23286: — 04/28  at  06:28 AM
Diploma to ill y'all. Tangible has such a sensual undertone ;)



#23328: theBHC — 04/28  at  02:54 PM
In reading this the bizarre claims of "research" in ID, what I I would love to know is just what is it that these people are researching? What? How many angels dance on the head of a pin via electromicroscopy? Please tell me of what this research consists!



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