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Sunday, March 20, 2005

North Carolina: I don't know how you smell, but some of your 'educators' stink

Ed Brayton has the funny part of this story covered: a public school teacher who used a stupid lesson about how Jesus (and good Christians!) smell. Read a little further into the news story, though, and prepare to be even more appalled.

Ashlee came home with a worksheet on which she was marked wrong for answering that "chance" was the reason many animals are colored to match their surroundings. The teacher indicated that the right answer was "God's master design," the suit says.

Harrison said Cumberland schools have a policy, mandated by federal law, that bars teachers from endorsing any religion.

He said that Kristie Griffiths, the teacher, is a visiting faculty member from Australia and did not understand U.S. standards. She bought the text from Christian publisher A Beka Book with her own money, he said.

Harrison said the principal did not take the incident seriously enough and failed to make sure the teacher stopped using the text. He said Anderson sent a memo to all staff asking them to use only board-approved materials but didn't communicate directly with Griffiths.

A Beka Book is an "unashamedly Christian" company affiliated with the Pensacola Christian Academy. This principal and teacher are playing dumb: they knew. The company isn't shy at all about flaunting their sectarian, Christian ideals. The excuse that "Oh, gosh, I didn't know I was not supposed to proselytize my faith in the school's science curriculum" should rank right up there with "Oooh, officer, I'm Australian, I didn't know that a red light means stop." If you've been trained in science education and are qualified to teach science, you should know that "God did it" is not a scientific explanation, even if you personally believe it, and even if you are from Australia (no offense intended, John…who even has an article up right now on Cause and Explanation).

Some people get it.

"Ashlee's a fifth-grader, and she realized this was wrong," Sasser said. "This is light years beyond an invocation at a graduation or a moment of silence at a football game. When you're proselytizing fifth-graders, it's way over the top."

I have an elegant solution to the problem. Fire the pig-ignorant creationist teacher, and hire Ashlee to take over. She's sure to do a much better job.

And while they're at it, they should fire the incompetent principal, too.


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Comments:
#19237: Tyson Burghardt — 03/20  at  02:57 PM
Of course, Ashlee didn't get it right, either. The correct answer would be "adaptation," or "evolution," or even, in a pinch, maybe "natural selection."



#19243: — 03/20  at  04:21 PM
And I wonder why she gave that answer. Chance is of course the favorite creationist straw man name for natural selection. Was it a multi-guess test, so that this was the closest she was allowed? Or was is that she was taught that chance was the correct name for any other explaination, and she knew that 'God Didit' wasn't the correct explaination, and so was forced to answer the only other one she knew?



's avatar #19251: Ben — 03/20  at  05:09 PM
He said that Kristie Griffiths, the teacher, is a visiting faculty member from Australia and did not understand U.S. standards.

Bullshit. The standards here regarding public education and religion are exactly the same. Better, in my opinion.

"The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them." --Thomas Edison.



#19252: — 03/20  at  05:10 PM
"Of course, Ashlee didn't get it right, either."

Yes, but her answer may demonstrate an understanding of a fairly deep concept: that surprising results ("Look! There are 20% more dark bugs in the black box than in the white box!") can sometimes occur by chance ("Yes, but P = 0.36!"). Of course, maybe I'm giving her too much credit.



#19256: coturnix — 03/20  at  05:40 PM
OK, this is my home paper. I should write a letter. Any ideas how to write the best comment in under 200 words?

What is important to say, and what is not so important? What words/phrases I should definitely include, and which to shun?



's avatar #19257: Ben — 03/20  at  05:52 PM
Of course, maybe I'm giving her too much credit.

I haven't seen the rest of the worksheet, but considering it's a primary school it sounds like a loaded question.

"Now, who can tell me where thunder and lightning come from?"
"The Leader, ma'am."
"Very good, Bart. Now, who invented Morse Code?"
"Ugh, I should know this one... the... The Leader?"
"Correct again!"

"The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them." --Thomas Edison.



#19268: — 03/20  at  08:44 PM
I suspect that practices like those exposed in Fayetteville are more widespread than we'd care to believe, especially in rural and semi-rural towns like Fayetteville where few families are willing to challenge authority.



#19272: — 03/20  at  10:36 PM
Australian educational standards for high school science would be more rigorous than the US version (there is ONLY a state-approved curricula if you want a state-approved high school qualification).



#19284: — 03/21  at  12:49 AM
I wonder what my mother, who teaches biology in Australia, would think of that excuse.... No, I think she would reply like several other already have done here. It's pure bull!



#19293: — 03/21  at  05:40 AM
Ye gods, this teacher was a fellow Antipodean? I absolutely apologise.

Please send her back so we may push her into the sheep dip, and then baptise her with a XXXX to the head. In the can. Fired from a tennis-ball-launcher.



#19298: — 03/21  at  08:24 AM
FWIW, here are the NC Public Schools' Goals for Biology Education.
http://www.ncpublicschools.org/curriculum/science/standard/downloads/093biology.pdf

I suspect that practices like those exposed in Fayetteville are more widespread than we'd care to believe, especially in rural and semi-rural towns like Fayetteville

In what parallel universe is Fayetteville semi-rural? It's a significant urban center in the state and home to Fort Bragg.



#19299: Bartholomew — 03/21  at  08:26 AM
But the teacher didn't know her Bible! It is very clear in Genesis that colour variation in animals is caused by their parents looking at those colours while mating. For some reason, despite its name AiG doesn't give this law of nature the prominence it deserves. Genesis 30.37-39:

Then Jacob took fresh rods of poplar and almond and plane trees, and peeled white stripes in them, exposing the white which was in the rods. He set the rods which he had peeled in front of the flocks in the gutters, even in the watering troughs, where the flocks came to drink; and they mated when they came to drink. So the flocks mated by the rods, and the flocks brought forth striped, speckled, and spotted.

Here endeth the lesson.



's avatar #19300: PZ Myers — 03/21  at  08:39 AM
Oh, yeah...creationist genetics. I've been there.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#19314: — 03/21  at  12:55 PM
I'm a chemist by background, but also worked up enough to write the N and O (and ready to write the Herald-Sun if they run the same story). So like Coturnix, I'd like suggestions: what do the biologists think are the most important points to make here?

FWIW, the Herald-Sun did take a stand endorsing keeping ID out of classrooms, in relation to the Dover county case. I remember it as having been a bit lukewarm, but the new management might be a teensy-weensy bit bolder here. (They ditched a very, very conservative editorial cartoonist.)



's avatar #19334: Ben — 03/21  at  05:17 PM
Please send her back so we may push her into the sheep dip, and then baptise her with a XXXX to the head. In the can. Fired from a tennis-ball-launcher.

Don't forget Ken Ham is over there as well. So there's already enough shame to go around.

"The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them." --Thomas Edison.



#19431: heinrich — 03/22  at  12:57 PM
I guess you really can smell jesus:

http://tinyurl.com/4xmwd



#19569: — 03/23  at  10:20 PM
Not too sure about the scent thing, but there is one thing for sure. Evolution and Creation are both theories. In order to scientificly prove something, there must be someone present to observe. I find it difficult to believe that somehow things magically went from chaos to order since everything in our world today seems to do the opposite.



's avatar #19570: PZ Myers — 03/23  at  10:32 PM
Oh. my. sweet. jebus. We got a new one.

Go read this. Theory doesn't mean what you think it means.

Your definition is bogus. Science isn't in the business of "proving" anything, and it is absolutely absurd to claim someone has to physically be present for something to have supporting evidence. Ever been to the surface of the sun? Just how do you think we know anything about stellar physics, that they've been launching grad students into it and getting their picosecond reports before they go pffffft?

And your last bit is the tired old argument from personal incredulity. I don't believe a human being could be this stupid, therefore you are actually an aardvark typing with your tongue. Don't bother arguing, I couldn't possibly believe anything else.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#19572: paperwight — 03/23  at  11:15 PM
There does seem to be a new crop of WNTPTrolls floating around. I noticed a Catholic Opus Dei-type named Fitz who the Schiavo case seems to have brought out of the woodwork.



#19606: — 03/24  at  12:05 PM
So if there is no scientific proof for the theory of evolution, then you must be accepting it on faith. Is Human Secularism your religion? Just curious. What is absurd is that you believe that over billions of years fish somehow evolved into apes that evolved into humans. There is just as much evidence to support the theory of creation as there is to support the theory of evolution. I have a question for you. Where did matter come from? Has it just always existed? I have not personally attacked you or anyone else with my comments. Why are you so angry? Could it be that my ideas threaten your belief system? Guess you're just another angry white male. : )



#19609: — 03/24  at  12:19 PM
I normally ignore trolls and let them amuse themselves, but: point me to three peer-reviewed articles in the mainstream scientific literature that rely on the "theory" of creation for part of their basis. PZ has links within this blog to many, many more articles that rely on the theory of evolution for part of their basis.



#19615: — 03/24  at  01:03 PM
Jeff, twice now I have been called names simply for stating my opinion and engaging in debate. When people resort to name-calling, it is a sure sign that their ideas don't hold water. Can't you think for yourself? I will get your peer-reviewed articles, but can't you think for yourself? Do you have to have the opinions of these so-called experts? What is the origin of matter? Of course the links in this blog will support your opinions. "DUH" You seem to be offended by my opinion. Don't you believe in freedom of speech? Shouldn't we try to listen to other people's ideas and learn from debate? Do you really think you have it all figured out? You have all the answers? A sure sign of wisdom is realizing how little you or anyone else on earth really knows in the overall scheme of things. Show me a man who believes to know it all, and I'll show you a man who is ignorant and about to take a big fall. I will ask you to consider this again....what is the origin of matter?



's avatar #19617: PZ Myers — 03/24  at  01:13 PM
That you can claim that because "there is no scientific proof for the theory of evolution, then you must be accepting it on faith" suggests that you don't understand how science works. There are no proofs in science. There is evidence. We provisionally accept the testimony of the evidence in the absence of counter-evidence or better interpretations.

That is not faith.

Your "ideas" are not threatening. Sometimes people are called stupid because others are angry at them, but sometimes they are called stupid because, well, they are stupid.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#19619: — 03/24  at  01:19 PM
I will get your peer-reviewed articles, but can't you think for yourself?


Shall we all hold our breath now until D Rogers delivers the goods? I can hardly wait to see those peer-reviewed articles that support creationism!



#19625: — 03/24  at  02:41 PM
I will ask you to consider this again....what is the origin of matter?
Duh! God created matter!

But, once matter happened to gain a specific complexity - a sequence of events that biology tells little about - evolutionary principles took over from there. This has lead to the biology you see today.

That's what the evidence has told us (not some ideology), and everyday the theory becomes reinforced by countless more data.

If it all turns out not to be true, then I can assure you that it will be scientists who discover their own past blunders. Then, we'll tell you how it actually works [sic].

Until then, if you would like to challenge evolutionary theory, it will have to be in the scientific realm.

If you want to convince people about science, it is imperative that you learn science. Random and uneducated guesses will get you nowhere.

Trust me, if you have a theory that can support the evidence, we science types rational souls will be all ears.

Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

-Jerry Garcia



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