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Monday, May 23, 2005

Obligatory Sithiness

OK, I give up. Everyone is writing about Star Wars, so I might as well join in. Even if I haven't seen the new one.

I saw the original Star Wars on the first day it was out, way back when I was a college boy. There was hardly anyone in the theater, and I loved it. I enjoyed it so much that I just stayed in my seat and watched a second showing (you could do that in 1977, especially for a cheesy sci-fi movie without many attendees.) The disillusionment set in with the second movie, though—although it was a much better show, with hints of a little more depth, the stupid Vader-is-Luke's-daddy idea was so clearly a kludged-in plot twist that it was apparent that Lucas was just winging it. And the third movie…gah. Ewoks? Hated them. Star Wars was nothing but a promotional vehicle for toys and fast food. The two prequels so far have been amazing abysses of suckitude; Sarlaacs of the big screen.

Really, gang. It's just a movie. I'll go see it when it shows up in the local theater, with exactly the same enthusiasm I had for Chronicles of Riddick. I'll see it because I like SF on general principle, not because I think there's much prospect for quality in this one.

As for the right-wing babble that it's some political parable to bash on GW Bush…Lance Mannion does a fine job of skewering that one. It's a shallow cartoon, without a smidgen of insight. It's clear that some people take themselves far too seriously.

The only thing goofier than taking lessons on politics from George Lucas is extracting religious ideas from it. Mannion links to an article by Orson Scott Card that does just that, though. I've liked a few of Card's books, but his commentaries convince me that I would not want to be in the same room with the guy, not without an emergency chemical shower and the possibility of a rapid, rocket assisted exit. This time, he is irate that people would actually like the Jedi religion.

It's one thing to put your faith in a religion founded by a real person who claimed divine revelation, but it's something else entirely to have, as the scripture of your religion, a storyline that you know was made up by a very nonprophetic human being.

Wha...? Your irony meters may have been spared if you didn't already know that Card is devoutly religious. Your meters are glowing heaps of radioactive slag right now if you knew that Card is a devout Mormon.

The whole article is full of bizarre statements that suggest Card is completely lacking in self-awareness about the nonsense he believes.

Of course, all this quibbling would be moot if, in fact, the Jedi religion actually worked—if people could tap into the Force and do the miracles that the Jedi routinely perform.

I say pretty much the same thing about Christianity. The fact that prayer doesn't work and that priests can't do magic and saints don't have special super powers doesn't seem to interfere with people's ability to believe. Just as the fact that the Star Wars movies have all been wooden, clumsy vehicles for special effects doesn't prevent some people from enjoying them. It sounds like the latest is a bit better than the previous three, so even I will probably have a mildly pleasant time watching it…but I definitely won't be making the mistake of thinking any of it is real.


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Comments:
#25699: craig — 05/23  at  12:33 PM
Everyone is writing about Star Wars? I guess I wasn't the only one to think of it then. No wonder my little article hasn't gotten the traffic I was hoping for from search engine hits.



's avatar #25701: PZ Myers — 05/23  at  12:39 PM
Yes, it's quite the thing, if you can imagine that. The latest issue of Rolling Stone just appeared in my mailbox, and even that has Darth Vader on the cover. It's like everywhere.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#25704: — 05/23  at  12:45 PM
"Amazing abysses of suckitude" has a nice ring to it.



#25705: — 05/23  at  12:46 PM
All you have to know is that Han Solo is John Wayne and the spaceships are horses.



#25707: — 05/23  at  12:51 PM
'It's one thing to put your faith in a religion founded by a real person who claimed divine revelation,'

That is absolutely hilarious.



#25712: coturnix — 05/23  at  01:02 PM
"spaceships are horses"...reminds me of the very funny movie I saw as a kid that was a Star-Wars-style spoof of Seven Samurai and The Magnificient Seven. I loved all three. But what was the title of the space-opera movie and who directed it?¥



#25713: coturnix — 05/23  at  01:03 PM
I should ask Lance the above question - he is the blog-genius of movie reviewing.



#25724: — 05/23  at  01:30 PM
i love episodes 4 and 5 devoutly, probably because i have a romantic streak an AU wide. it does help to be sensible enough to notice the even wider gulf between romanticism and reality, however; makes it easier to know when to suspend disbelief, and how much effort you'll need to do it.

episode 6 seemed to me like a great movie that some outright cretin had gone and stuck ewoks into; good idea, flawed implementation. the prequels... i'd rather not talk about the prequels. i haven't even bothered seeing episode 2, and i doubt i'll go see #3.

embarrassing fact: in my foolish youth, i was at one point near-suicidally depressive. i used to think i'd have to stick around for a few years longer, because well, Lucas was thinking about making more Star Wars movies, and i couldn't go and miss them now could i?

thank goodness i had managed to climb out of that funk before episode 1 hit the screens. George Lucas might have been my unwitting executioner. bleh...



#25727: — 05/23  at  01:44 PM
All you have to know is that Han Solo is John Wayne and the spaceships are horses.

It's more like Han Solo is to the Millienium Falcon what Harrison Ford's character in American Graffiti (IMO, a better film, if not cinema phenomena, than Star Wars) was to his hot rod.



Trackback: Unbalanced Tracked on: Lance Mannion (66.151.149.25) at 2005 05 23 12:56:26
My brother Larry Mannion sent this link to an article by Orson Scott Card.



#25728: — 05/23  at  01:47 PM
"... a religion founded by a real person ..."
You mean, like Ron Lafayette Hubbard? No? Some guy named
Smith? Oh. Sorry Mr. Card.



#25729: — 05/23  at  01:47 PM
Ever since I've read some of Card's more homobigoted articles, I have had absolutely no repsect for him. I like some of his novels, and buy them occationaly, but I would rather avoid having anything to do with him.



#25731: — 05/23  at  01:53 PM
I'll have to ask my wife about just how overtly religious Scott Card was before he added "Orson" as a stage name way back when he had acting asperations and they were in a D&D campaign together.

As they say, small world...



#25732: — 05/23  at  01:58 PM
When proposals were floated to have Mr. Card as a guest of honor at a convention I'd helped found, I sent links to some of his more rabidly homophobic essays to the concom members, and that pretty much put an end to that. Sad, really, because like many folks here I really liked his earlier works.



#25733: — 05/23  at  02:01 PM
I know some time has passed since Orson Scott Card did this, but it's worth mentioning I think, if only to short-circuit the meme that he's just a homophobic bigot, not that I myself excuse him for some of the mean things he's said about gays.

Anyway, here's Card in a quote from his Secular Humanist Revival Meeting audio tape:

"But my heart goes out to those well-meaning mamas and papas who send their children to the "God's World" [creation science] class. Now the stupid children are safe enough; they will just laugh at evolution and be happy fools for the rest of their days. But the parents of the smart children live in dread of the day that they know will come, when their child comes home from school and says: 'Today I learned what evolution really is and YOU LIED TO ME! If you lied to me about that, then what else did you lie to me about? Did you lie about the Resurrection? About Sin and Redemption? About loving my neighbor? Was it all just lies? How could I ever believe you again?'

"To all those well-meaning mamas and papas, I say that this book [indicating the "God's World" creation science textbook], this book is full of lies. If you can only defend your faith by lying about what others believe, then you stop right there. Your faith is doomed. The best of your children will not follow you. You are the Last Generation."



#25736: coturnix — 05/23  at  02:18 PM
David W.:

American Graffitti - did not think of that, but you are definitely onto something!

I loved Ender's Game, but the series gor worse and worse...I abandoned it after #3. Seventh Son (and the next 3-4 in the series) were also quite good, though there was a lot of religion in it. It was actually quite insigthfull - I have not arrived in America yet when I read it. I tried some of the later stuff and could not go beyond the first chapter or so....



#25738: Alon Levy — 05/23  at  02:23 PM
Well, I've seen this new movie, and it's a fine collection of plot holes, cheese, stupidity, inconsistency, and over-the-top special effects.



#25741: Lance Mannion — 05/23  at  02:31 PM
Coturnix, Was the movie you're thinking of Buckaroo Banzai?



#25742: — 05/23  at  02:32 PM
I think you are wrong about the Vader/Luke/Father thing being evidence of Lucas "winging it". There are other examples of that, such as "midichlroians" suddenly becoming the explanation for the Force in Episode 1, young Anakin building C3PO, and the Luke/Leia/Twins thing.

But there is some very clear foreshadowing of the Luke/Vader relationship in the original movie which leads one to believe that it was in the plans from the beginning.



's avatar #25744: Ken Cope — 05/23  at  02:40 PM
The New Yorker reviewer asked what kind of word "Sith" was. An anagram word, obviously, as a friend pointed out.

The wife's verdict was that it didn't suck. I thought it was fairly satisfying, in a high-caloric Chinese meal sort of way, holding up well with IV and V; Star Wars The Apology is way better than one would expect after I and II.

The Lucasverse has always been sword and sorcery with science fiction and monster movie tropes, a matinee serial. All that the Joseph Campbell Hero's Journey hype accomplished was to raise expectations that it was about something more than just the THX.

So I guess I never saw what was so awful about I and II after the crashing disappointment that was VI. It's fun to see an expansion of throwaway lines from IV, the history of the Jedi and clone wars and Yoda-fu and the rise of Palpatine. If you've got a couple of hours to kill, there's nothing odius about netflixing II before you see III.

The element most conspicuous in its absence in this latest trilogy is the fun of the Han Solo/Princess Leia characters. The world of the Jedi is so relentlessly serious that I just can't buy into it, the same way Han couldn't. Han Solo made it easier to suspend the disbelief, because he couldn't see the point of hokey religions and ancient superstitions either. Without him, there's nobody to identify with, nothing to cut through how thick it gets the way Solo would.



's avatar #25745: PZ Myers — 05/23  at  02:40 PM
I think I know what movie it was. Battle Beyond the Stars, directed by Roger Corman. It's a ripoff of both Seven Samurai and Star Wars.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#25751: coturnix — 05/23  at  03:24 PM
It must be Battle Beyond the Stars - the Serbo-Croatian translation of the title was something like Battle In Space. It was a very funny spoof of both 7 samurai and magnificeint 7: a small planet attacked by space pirates seeks defence from a hodge-podge of 7 strange characters/outlaws, each with own small spaceship. Lots of references to Star Wars, of course. Now that I know the title, I can look it up and see it again and see if, after a couple of decades, I still find it hillariously funny. Thank you.

Coturnix Jr. and I are going to see the Sith in two hours. I saw the 4, 5 and 6 when they first came out and not again since. I barely remember them, but I am assuming that does not matter. I have not seen 1 and 2 - am I going to be missing some important pieces of information?



#25752: Dan S. — 05/23  at  03:28 PM
"the spaceships are horses."
Firefly, people, Firefly. That has spaceships *and* horses . . .



#25757: — 05/23  at  03:37 PM
Bah.. Some people can't just enjoy things can they.. Maybe I am just better at suspending belief than most of the rest of you. I mean, like the meticlorians. Luke never exactly had the big lecture about 'where' the force came from. It actually makes a certain amount of sense that it isn't just floating around, waiting for someone to stumble over it. Its also not biologically contradictory, our cells contain primitive life forms that help produce 'normal' energy for out cells. Without them life, at least higher life, would either not exist, or be 'very' different. So, the idea that in some alternate universe those might actually produce 'force' energy on some level too, is not that silly. For some nuts that already believe in magical forces, the idea that magic comes from some primitive lifeform in their own cells, instead of God might even make more sense, if only to them and because they already believe in it.

Your trying to take alternate universe style religion, combined with the mess of crazy consequences and run it through a skeptic/atheist filter. That doesn't work. I suppose that I can avoid that because, while I know the universe makes such things so improbable as to be absolutely impossible, I like to let my mind wander in the realm of fantasy a bit, just to avoid complete boredom. Dreams, even if you invent them yourself are seldom 'internally consistent' or absent of plot holes. I simply don't let myself notice them when dealing with what everyone recognizes as fiction. Somehow I suspect I also enjoy movies a lot more than most of the other poster on here as a reslut. lol



#25760: — 05/23  at  03:40 PM
Sigh.. Reminder to self: That is what the 'preview' button is for... lol



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