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Monday, May 23, 2005

Obligatory Sithiness

OK, I give up. Everyone is writing about Star Wars, so I might as well join in. Even if I haven't seen the new one.

I saw the original Star Wars on the first day it was out, way back when I was a college boy. There was hardly anyone in the theater, and I loved it. I enjoyed it so much that I just stayed in my seat and watched a second showing (you could do that in 1977, especially for a cheesy sci-fi movie without many attendees.) The disillusionment set in with the second movie, though—although it was a much better show, with hints of a little more depth, the stupid Vader-is-Luke's-daddy idea was so clearly a kludged-in plot twist that it was apparent that Lucas was just winging it. And the third movie…gah. Ewoks? Hated them. Star Wars was nothing but a promotional vehicle for toys and fast food. The two prequels so far have been amazing abysses of suckitude; Sarlaacs of the big screen.

Really, gang. It's just a movie. I'll go see it when it shows up in the local theater, with exactly the same enthusiasm I had for Chronicles of Riddick. I'll see it because I like SF on general principle, not because I think there's much prospect for quality in this one.

As for the right-wing babble that it's some political parable to bash on GW Bush…Lance Mannion does a fine job of skewering that one. It's a shallow cartoon, without a smidgen of insight. It's clear that some people take themselves far too seriously.

The only thing goofier than taking lessons on politics from George Lucas is extracting religious ideas from it. Mannion links to an article by Orson Scott Card that does just that, though. I've liked a few of Card's books, but his commentaries convince me that I would not want to be in the same room with the guy, not without an emergency chemical shower and the possibility of a rapid, rocket assisted exit. This time, he is irate that people would actually like the Jedi religion.

It's one thing to put your faith in a religion founded by a real person who claimed divine revelation, but it's something else entirely to have, as the scripture of your religion, a storyline that you know was made up by a very nonprophetic human being.

Wha...? Your irony meters may have been spared if you didn't already know that Card is devoutly religious. Your meters are glowing heaps of radioactive slag right now if you knew that Card is a devout Mormon.

The whole article is full of bizarre statements that suggest Card is completely lacking in self-awareness about the nonsense he believes.

Of course, all this quibbling would be moot if, in fact, the Jedi religion actually worked—if people could tap into the Force and do the miracles that the Jedi routinely perform.

I say pretty much the same thing about Christianity. The fact that prayer doesn't work and that priests can't do magic and saints don't have special super powers doesn't seem to interfere with people's ability to believe. Just as the fact that the Star Wars movies have all been wooden, clumsy vehicles for special effects doesn't prevent some people from enjoying them. It sounds like the latest is a bit better than the previous three, so even I will probably have a mildly pleasant time watching it…but I definitely won't be making the mistake of thinking any of it is real.


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Comments:
's avatar #25763: Ken Cope — 05/23  at  03:47 PM
I and II synopsis (with spoilers!) for those viewing Sith cold:

EpI
Princess I'm a Dolla lives on Naboo, where Senator Palpatine secretly has a bunch of yellow peril types employ robots to kill Jar Jar Binks, learning that remote central control is a design flaw. Little Anakin Skywalker is immaculately conceived and is the best little slave boy pod racer Tattoine ever saw, who also built Threepio from a kit. The Princess thinks little Annie is cute, and her little droid Artoo notices Threepio is naked. Obi-Wan's master notices the force is strong with little Annie, but is defeated by an evil Sith, and has to adopt Annie cuz he can be a Jedi too, I bet. Little Annie is a great star pilot too. Palpatine also thinks Annie is cute.

EpII
None of the Jedi know that Senator Palpatine is EVIL. After the Sand People kill Anakin Skywalker's mommy, and he kills a lot of Sand People, and likes it, he secretly marries Princess I'm a Dolla (ew!) since nobody will admit he's the bestest Jedi EVER, and he could be a real Jedi master too someday, I bet.

Oh, and Yoda is the one who sends in the clones, an army of Boba Fetts. Saruman almost kicks Yoda's butt. The rest of the movie is an Obi-Wan Anakin Skywalker buddy film.



#25765: Alon Levy — 05/23  at  03:49 PM
I don't hate Star Wars just because of the Force, though particularly in episodes 3 and 6 it's intolerable. I hate Star Wars because it's stupid, tiring, and simplistic. Samuel L. Jackson went in five years from Pulp Fiction to pulp fiction.



's avatar #25766: Ken Cope — 05/23  at  03:55 PM
We're watching Firefly collected on DVD, waiting for the feature film later this year. Joss Whedon understands characterization and dialogue in exactly the way Lucas doesn't.



#25767: Alon Levy — 05/23  at  04:04 PM
I watched an episode of Firefly once - the one with the doctor and his mentally screwed-up sister and with the raid on some governmental hospital.



#25771: The Science Creative Quarterly — 05/23  at  04:31 PM
Again, another topic where we've recently published a humour piece. This one is on cloning and the movies (with a Star Wars reference), and is called "When Celebrities, Who Have Been Cloned in the Movies, Get Together for a Cup of Coffee."



#25772: Gary Farber — 05/23  at  04:42 PM
Of course, SW isn't science fiction, but science fantasy or space opera; everyone who knows anything about science fiction knows that.

It could be worse about Scott Card; he could be a Scientologist.

I, obviously, enjoy SW more than you do, but anyone who takes the politics as any sort of realistic analogy to our own has to stipulate that we have parallels to Jedi, the Force, the Sith, and so on, and would therefore be, I believe the technical term is, "an idiot." Ditto, but worse, for anyone who thinks that people who had fun putting down "Jedi" as their religion on a form were serious, and not just having fun.



#25773: Gary Farber — 05/23  at  04:44 PM
"I saw as a kid that was a Star-Wars-style spoof of Seven Samurai and The Magnificient Seven."

Battle Beyond The Stars, of course. Doesn't everyone know that?

grin

(With Robert Vaughn playing the same role as he did in Magnificent Seven!)



#25774: — 05/23  at  04:48 PM
Ken:

Princess I'm a Dolla


Heh. One of the stray cats we took in had facial injuries that the vet said was typical of a cat that had been hit by a car, thrown, and survived. She also had some behaviors that made us suspect brain injuries, the most obvious one being "sham rage", where you'd be petting her and she'd be purring and everything was fine, and then for no reason at all, she'd suddenly go batshit on you--hissing, biting, and clawing.

After Episode 1 came out, we began calling her sham rage alter ego "Princess Amygdala".



#25778: rew — 05/23  at  05:00 PM
I like OSC's sci-fi writing as much as the next, and I understand he's a Mormon and family is important, but does he really need to have his characters start having families at the age of 13 and 14? I think I'm too creeped out to read the final shadow book.



#25781: Constantine — 05/23  at  06:03 PM
I think I know what movie it was. Battle Beyond the Stars, directed by Roger Corman.

Damn. That movie was just a hazy memory from my youth... how on earth did you remember such a thing? That also helps me remember the berlin-wall TV movie that the lead, Richard Thomas, also starred in: Berlin Tunnel 21.

Now if only someone could tell me the animated sci-fi movie involving a young character with a force-like ability that allows him to conjure up a sword who had a cursing android as a sidekick...



#25786: — 05/23  at  07:10 PM
All I can remember about Battle Beyond the stars was a woman in a small spaceship with a smaller costume, who was definately a silicon based lifeform.

As for the midiclorions business. A long time ago, on a typewriter far far away, Issac Asimov wrote a short story in which it was shown that the bible was written not for people, but for Mitochondria.

And I've been told that 70,000 Australians are members of the Jedi religion, according to the last census.



#25787: — 05/23  at  08:16 PM
The only thing goofier than taking lessons on politics from George Lucas is extracting religious ideas from it.

I got a crazy laugh out of this line, having been (regretfully) raised Catholic. Prior to my confirmation, we were forced into a 2 day retreat where we were blasted with Star Wars excerpts supposedly showing the meaning and universality of God, Jesus, among other themes (I have pruged the details forever from my mind).



#25789: — 05/23  at  08:55 PM
"(With Robert Vaughn playing the same role as he did in Magnificent Seven!)"

IIRC, Robert Vaughn's character in Battle Beyond the Stars is more like Yul Brynner's role in Magnificent Seven: the taciturn expert killer. Or, if you will, like Seiji Miyaguchi as Kyuzo in Seven Samurai.

Also, according to IMDB trivia, Battle Beyond the Stars' George Peppard was considered for Steve McQueen's role in Magnificent Seven.



#25791: — 05/23  at  09:19 PM
The only thing I remember about Battle Beyond the Stars is that the main spaceship looked exactly like an enormous scrotum. I never figured out if that was intentional.



#25792: Matt McIrvin — 05/23  at  09:26 PM
Actually, it might not have been Battle Beyond the Stars; there were other, even cheaper Star Wars knockoffs with something like the Seven Samurai plot, most of them made in Italy.

(But it probably was.)

As to whether the ambiguous testicles/boobs on John-Boy's spaceship were intentional, knowing Corman and his people, I think we can safely say that they were.



#25793: coturnix — 05/23  at  09:37 PM
Which brings us to, inevitably, "Spaceballs"! grin



#25795: coturnix — 05/23  at  09:42 PM
I came back. Kiddo and I loved it. Yoda kicks ass! Ken, thanks for the quick summary of #1 and #2 - that was helpful. With movies like this - no artistic ambition - I just become a kid again and enjoy it to the fullest: special effects, creatures, fights, everything. I completely suspend all disbelief, quit analyzing "deep meanings", ignore bad acting and plots, and transport myself into the movie: "Watch your back, Obi! Somebody give me a lightsaber, please, I am itching for a fight!"



Trackback: Revenge of the Smith Tracked on: PhaWRONGula (72.9.234.70) at 2005 05 24 00:48:42
Sithilly-Smithilly Orson Scott Card-castle Pokes at religions the Movies reveal, Then as a Mormon he Hyperironically Notes that the Jedi Force Cannot be real!



#25808: Alon Levy — 05/24  at  01:23 AM
Even the special effects and the fight scenes were bad. The special effects were too over the top, and the fight scenes were too tiring. Luke vs. Vader in Episode 5: great. Luke vs. Vader in Episode 6: blah. Obi-Wan vs. Vader in Episode 3: terrible.



#25814: — 05/24  at  02:30 AM
So this guy didn't realise that people put 'Jedi' down on the census as a student prank? Scary stuff.



#25871: — 05/24  at  11:21 AM
Ok, geeky SF movie references for you people. 1) for the guy looking for the animated SF one with the invisible sword and the pilot with a female robot, that one is "Starchaser: Legend of Orin". It was release in 3d. It's not on DVD yet. 2) There was also a Japanese SF out at the time of the original Star Wars that was so bad it was funny, called "Message from Space". The "best" part is the cop ship with a rotating red light and a siren. And "Battle Beyond the Stars" is out on DVD, and it is still a hoot.



#25903: judgeMC — 05/24  at  03:04 PM
I think you guys are analyzing Star Wars waaay to much. It's just a movie. You watch the good stuff, overlook the bad stuff and good home broke but happy.

I love the whole thing. As a kid I loved the endlessness of the whole Star Wars Universe. I got to pretend to be every character in the movie at one time or another. On the light side and the dark. Me and my friends had fun.

I did see the movie on monday. It was great! but my hubby made me leave the light saber at home.



#25909: — 05/24  at  03:46 PM
Well Alon Levy, look at it this way, we get to look forward to a) a sort of prequel or remake of Batman and a modernization of War of the Worlds now... lol Oh yes, and of course the endless morass of chick flicks and even worse than SW action films, with titles no one heard of, because they where written by some badly paid script writer in the basement of a studio, probably more bad translations of both mediocre and decent books, etc. I have over 1,000 SF and Fantasy books on my shelves. Maybe four of them have movies based on them, most of them bad. But heh, why pay someone to mangle a script and make a bad movie from any of those 1,000+ books, if its so much easier to just remake one that has already been done 12 times.

Of course there is a reason for this. Hollywood doesn't want to spend the money to buy rights to more 'real' stories and I assume (and hope) most authors are horrified enough by the idea of the movie studios screwing up there story that they wouldn't sell the rights anyway. All in all, given how bad things 'can' be, SW III wasn't that bad.



Trackback: LMAO! Tracked on: Grouchy's Liberaltopia (63.247.138.3) at 2005 05 25 05:56:47
This is just too funny. I tried to tell you, SITH is an anagram of SHIT. And people on the right are just shitheads, mostly. 'George Lucas could be messing with your head' Pumba the homosexual warthog, Ozzy, and now...



#25978: — 05/25  at  07:59 AM
Of course, all this quibbling would be moot if, in fact, the Jedi religion actually worked—if people could tap into the Force and do the miracles that the Jedi routinely perform.


Apparently the DoD disagrees with you PZ. Google "First Earth Battalion" or "The Men Who Stare At Goats". Without the quotation marks, of course.

Or just read this:http://www.spinwatch.org/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=259



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