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Saturday, June 19, 2004

O'Reilly, evil schmuck

Bob at Unfogged wonders how this kind of vile hatemongering by O'Reilly is allowed to continue.

O'REILLY: Because look ... when 2 percent of the population feels that you're doing them a favor, just forget it, you're not going to win. You're not going to win. And I don't have any respect by and large for the Iraqi people at all. I have no respect for them. I think that they're a prehistoric group that is -- yeah, there's excuses.

Sure, they're terrorized, they've never known freedom, all of that. There's excuses. I understand. But I don't have to respect them because you know when you have Americans dying trying to you know institute some kind of democracy there, and 2 percent of the people appreciate it, you know, it's time to -- time to wise up.

And this teaches us a big lesson, that we cannot intervene in the Muslim world ever again. What we can do is bomb the living daylights out of them, just like we did in the Balkans. Just as we did in the Balkans. Bomb the living daylights out of them. But no more ground troops, no more hearts and minds, ain't going to work.

[...]

They're just people who are primitive.

Easy. Take a look at some of the people who watch O'Reilly and think he is peachy-keen.

The fact is, we sacrificed American blood in part so that these towelheads could have a shot at freedom. For that they spit in our faces. This upsets me a little. However, Nick from Patriot-Paradox would probably disagree, since he tried to take me to task by splitting hairs over my previous words.

But the fact remains that the Iraqis for the most part are aiding and abetting our 9/11 enemies, the Islamo-fascists, and that makes them our enemies as well. People like Nick Queen need to wake up to reality. Our national security is at stake. As O'Reilly said, we can argue over whether Iraq is a legitimate front for the war on terrorism, but there's no mistake that Bush clearly believes it is. I believe it as well. Our enemies need to be subdued, not reasoned with, and we should not delude ourselves with visions of a free Iraqi democracy with a healthy and grateful relationship with the U.S. Most of them simply don't want it.

There's a solid audience for hate and xenophobia on the Religious Right, among "good" Christians like Mac Swift.


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Comments:
#3608: — 06/19  at  08:57 PM
There's also a solid audience for hate and xenophobia on the left as well, this one geared towards those who actually like America.



's avatar #3609: PZ Myers — 06/19  at  09:41 PM
You've got it all wrong.

We on the left also really like America.

It's the incompetent, dishonest, sleazy, stupid, criminal vermin of the right that we despise. They aren't synonymous with "America", you know.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#3610: Philip — 06/19  at  10:08 PM
Because only "people who are primitive" object to being humiliated, tortured, searched and incarcerated without due process, and so on.



#3612: — 06/20  at  01:23 AM
I can't understand why O'Reilly gets away with so much. He throws out inaccurate off-the-cuff assertions, and when corrected lashes out viciously and personally at his 'guests.' Isn't that how Michael (Weiner) Savage got his ass fired from TV?



#3618: — 06/20  at  01:25 PM
It's the incompetent, dishonest, sleazy, stupid, criminal vermin of the right that we despise. They aren't synonymous with "America", you know.

If this were said of the left, it would be called bigoted hatemongering. If it's said of the right, it would be called constructive criticism. I am glad blogs like this one do not represent the true world view of classic liberals like me. The invective spewed forth on this blog is both embarassing and hypocritical.



#3620: — 06/20  at  02:31 PM
I think you missed the point, Bystander. My reading isn't that Myers is calling the right inherently incompetent, dishonest, etc. - he's saying that he despises those on the right, such as O'Reilly, who are incompetent, dishonest, sleazy, stupid, and/or criminal. I don't see how that's bigoted, or even hatemongering in the plain sense of the word. I also doubt he restricts contempt for dishonest and sleazy people to right-wingers.



's avatar #3621: PZ Myers — 06/20  at  03:31 PM
Yep. I know of some right-wingers with sense and integrity (they're wrong, but they aren't vermin). O'Reilly isn't among them.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#3628: Goran Hellekant — 06/21  at  01:39 AM
Science is science fiction where the only boundary for your imagination is reality.



#3632: — 06/21  at  08:15 AM
Bystander,

If the 'left' ran both the House and Senate, held the Executive Office, and proceeded to make monumentally stupid moves during wartime which

A. Are ineffective,
B Actually increase terrorist recruiting,
C. Let our sworn enemy(s) off the hook- while pursueing those who posed no threat, and lastly
D. Enriched themselves at the expense of hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars and the blood of our youth ...

... then you better goddam believe it wouldn't be called bigoted hatemongering, it would be called factual criticism. And I'd be one of the first in line calling them out.

In peace time that kind of incomptence just costs money, in war, it means many dead and maimed Americans.

That's what the BushCo Right has done. They've killed a bunch of poeple that didn't need to die and blown a huge wad of cash for nothing of value to the average citizen. IOW, they've f**king ruined the reputation of GOP for every decent conservative for the next ten years, at least. They've pissed away our blood, treasure, and international sympathy, for this hare-brained war in Iraq. I'm furious that these neocon freaks have siezed power of what was a decent counterbalancing party, and have subverted tragedy to their own nefarious and puzzling ends.

I'm a conservative Innocent Bystander. I don't know what you Bush supporters are. I think PZ who runs this Blog is an idealistic liberal with a good heart. But I'd guess he and I don't see eye-to-eye on many issues. Nevertheless, I concur wholeheartedly with him on one thing, Bush must go. Party loyalty be dammned, we cannot afford this level of stupidity, incompetence, and greed.

BTW-I find more and more the people still clinging to Bush come in three varieties; clueless rednecks, Fat Cat CEO's and CEO wannabes, and evangelical Christians. Stupidity, greed, and zealotry. Not a good combo...



#3645: Les Lane — 06/21  at  10:47 AM
Fair and balanced - now here's a real connection



#3747: — 06/24  at  07:03 PM
I find those clinging to all things anti-Bush also come in three varieties: Fucking idiots, big fucking idiots, and REALLY big fucking idiots. ;)

You guys are such pathetic whiny faggots. Get used to another four years of the Bushster, because your heads are so far up your asses it would be a miracle if you somehow found your way to the voting booth 2004.



's avatar #3748: PZ Myers — 06/24  at  07:10 PM
Wheee! Wingnut troll!

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



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