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Saturday, August 27, 2005

Orgasmic confusion

Philosophy of Biology has an article from Elisabeth Lloyd regarding criticisms of her work. Lloyd wrote The Case of the Female Orgasm(amzn/b&n/abe/pwll), a book about the evolution of the female orgasm. She lists many quotes from weblogs and print media that are simply shocking in their cluelessness. People are assuming that the book says that female orgasm isn't important, that maybe it doesn't exist at all, that the female orgasm is going to 'evolve away', that the only reason for any function is to make more babies, that Lloyd is an anti-feminist and closet misogynist.

It's dismaying; these people haven't read the book, and they are inventing all these fictions that bear no resemblance to the actual content. Often, the complaints are about problems that Lloyd specifically argues against, and the degree of incomprehension is painful to see.

I've read it twice now. It's one of my favorites, and it's not just for the titillating subject (which, face it, doesn't sustain any arousal after 257 pages of technical discussion)—if people weren't so ready to prejudge it, it ought to be considered a classic of evolutionary analysis. The book is an argument, carefully and lucidly made, that many of the assumptions about the evolution of this property are faulty. It's the work of a first-rate mind, and if somebody were to ask me what use training in philosophy is to a biologist, I'd point to this book as an example.

Right at the beginning, she lays out the prerequisites for demonstrating that a feature is an adaptation. It has to be shown to be the product of genetic variation, it must be shown to influence reproductive success, it needs to have a mechanism shown to work in nature, and it should be shown by experimental manipulation of the trait or environment to have an effect on reproduction (the last one can't be done in humans, obviously). This is not controversial; these are the basics. Then through the middle of the book she goes through each published hypothesis for the origin of the female orgasm and assesses it against each of those criteria, and also examines each for internal consistency and conflicts with the physical evidence. This is all just plain good science.

Lloyd settles on Symon's explanation, that female orgasm is a developmental byproduct of selection for male orgasm, as the best supported explanation. That word, "byproduct", seems to be what is arousing most of the critics' ire, with the implication that unless something is intrinsically advantageous to reproduction, it is less valuable. This is not about value judgements, however; Lloyd is not arguing that the virtue of orgasms lies in their ability to promote pregnancy in women (although that is exactly the idea the adaptive hypotheses for it are promoting)—she's demonstrating that many androcentric assumptions about female orgasm, such as that it promotes pair-bonding with the male, or assists sperm to enter the reproductive tract, or encourages women to lie about in a puddle of semen, are just not credible or supported by any good evidence. She suggests that maybe she should change the label from "byproduct" to "fantastic bonus" to get around this naturalistic bias, but I don't know that I agree. I suspect that a great many human features we like are byproducts (OK, "fantastic bonuses"), and people need to get used to that fact. That a specific feature has been the target of selection does not necessarily mean it is "better" in social terms.

If you don't want to read the book—which would be unfortunate, it's an excellent read—at least go read the briefer explanation at Philosophy of Biology. And, ladies, have orgasms because they're fun, not because you think they will help your partner get you pregnant with his child.


Hardly do I post this but Stranger Fruit cites an interview with Robert Trivers making the same stupid mistake.

Trivers says of his old enemy Stephen Jay Gould’s theory that the female orgasm was merely a by- product of the fact that the opposite sex has them, "It makes you wonder just how close Steve had ever been to that blessed event if he thought it was a side-effect…"

Maybe Lloyd is right. When a smart guy like Trivers, who is talking out of his ass on this one, can be so scrambled by the mere terms "byproduct" and "side-effect" that he can think their secondary connotations are refutations in their own right, maybe the words do need fixing.


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Comments:
#37719: — 08/27  at  10:46 AM
I think I'd rather call my nipples a byproduct than a "fantastic bonus".



#37720: — 08/27  at  10:53 AM
The human ear-brain system has evolved into a system optimized for understanding speech- such parameters as absolute sensitivity, ability to distinguish pitch, loudness and differences in same are all at their maximum smack dab in the frequency range most critical for speech intelligibility.

And yet, the interaction of completely non-verbal music with that speech-reception system can be a joyful experience.

Would that qualify as a fantastic bonus? I'm inclined to think so.



's avatar #37721: PZ Myers — 08/27  at  10:57 AM
That's an excellent example! I'm willing to concede that the female orgasm is just like all of the music ever composed by human beings.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



's avatar #37723: PZ Myers — 08/27  at  10:58 AM
Oh, and Jason...maybe male nipples would then be comparable to ring-tones.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#37724: cereal breath — 08/27  at  11:02 AM
i usually consider gushing to be unsightly, indecent and generally unhelpful in moving along discussion, but i've had a couple of cups of joe this morning and i'm feeling crazy, so here goes...

i can't get enough of your blog. it has quickly risen to the top of my daily reads and it always fills me with wonder. it is also quite heartening to have such an eloquent and entertaining spokesperson for the cause of reason and scienctific integrity. there i said it.

as for the female orgasm, "yes!"

i also consider knuckle hair to be a "fantastic bonus" but no one probably needed to know that.



#37726: dread pirate roberts — 08/27  at  11:41 AM
i'm supposed to actually "read" a book before dissing it? isn't that pre-postmodern or something? i bet you want us to read your posts before commenting. i'll have to try it. maybe content is a fantastic bonus.



#37727: — 08/27  at  11:58 AM
Male nipples are clearly a byproduct rather than a "fantastic bonus." However, if you have a third nipple, like Sideshow Bob or the Man with the Golden Gun, then that would be a "fantastic bonus." We should all be able to agree on this, yes?



#37729: coturnix — 08/27  at  12:18 PM
If Big Bang was really an instance of Big G having a Big O and the Big G was really female, than I am surely grateful for the female orgasm.



#37731: — 08/27  at  12:50 PM
and the Big G was really female
Well the bible claims a womb for god but never a penis (Job.38:8/29 - NB OT so it's the early writers and not just some Christian patches).



#37732: Andrew Brown — 08/27  at  12:54 PM
The trivers piece did have a cross-reference to Lloyd, but it got squeezed out



#37745: kutsuwamushi — 08/27  at  02:42 PM
I would not be at all surprised if there are misogynistic jerks out there who would use the "byproduct" reasoning as an excuse that their partner's orgasm isn't really important. I hope they get dumped.

Of course that's a terrible reason to insult the book or the author.

Anyway, I'm commenting to ask whether or not you think it would be accessible to a well-educated layman. I'm interested in biology but have no formal education in it (not even high school biology, alas!).



's avatar #37749: PZ Myers — 08/27  at  03:00 PM
Hmmm. Tough call. It doesn't get very technical, but it assumes some understanding of general theory.

I'd say yes, a reader with a general background should be able to cope with it.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#37751: — 08/27  at  03:13 PM
I may just pick this up. At least to get a better understanding of why my girlfriend is so cheerful after having them.



#37755: — 08/27  at  03:31 PM
Male nipples are clearly a byproduct rather than a "fantastic bonus." However, if you have a third nipple, like Sideshow Bob or the Man with the Golden Gun, then that would be a "fantastic bonus." We should all be able to agree on this, yes?

Sorry to be so pedantic, but it's Krusty the Klown who has the 'superfluous third nipple', not Sideshow Bob.



#37756: coturnix — 08/27  at  03:34 PM
OK, after this, I succumbed and ordered the book. It was on the top of my wish-list for a while now (Vermeij's new book is next - has anyone here read it?).



#37758: pough — 08/27  at  03:57 PM
Talk about orgasmic confusion... women are able to have orgasms???



#37759: coturnix — 08/27  at  03:59 PM
Yes, women can have orgasms wink



#37767: Trixie — 08/27  at  07:26 PM
I think I'd rather call my nipples a byproduct than a "fantastic bonus".


Actually, men are perfectly capable of lactation (though seldom called upon to do it). So your nipples are not a byproduct, but rather functioning body parts. If you do a search on "male lactation," you'll find several documented cases of this ability.

Also, they tell you (and everyone else) when you're getting too cold. Perhaps that feature is a fantastic bonus?



#37769: Ron Sullivan — 08/27  at  08:27 PM
I suppose I'd just start trouble if I suggested that a great many of those critics are going off half-cocked.

BTW, some of us think y'alls' nipples are kinda nice. Don't be dissing any extra-sensitive body part.



#37770: Beaming Visionary — 08/27  at  08:31 PM
kutsuwamushi - you said "layman." ;)

Tell me, ladies, are all feminists this reactionary or, as with any group's adverse reaction to potnetially unpalatable information, are we only seeing the words of the most strident 1%? Why would it amtter to women - especially women with a yen for naturalism - whether or not orgasm can be demonstrated to be "purposeful" from an evolutionary (or any) standpoint? (Actually, since evolution is not "purposeful"...well, forget that for now.)



#37772: Tony Smith — 08/27  at  08:47 PM
Re: byproducts

Six months ago, I finally started to sort out some thoughts on byproducts and posted a note about "Byproduct Utilisation Theory" which reads as more about physics than biology only because the biological evidence is sufficiently familiar to be largely left unstated.

http://transforum.net/m.cgi?num=332



#37778: — 08/27  at  09:47 PM
Actually, men are perfectly capable of lactation (though seldom called upon to do it). So your nipples are not a byproduct, but rather functioning body parts.

This is falling into the same trap as many of Lloyd's critics. "By-product" and "functioning" aren't mutally exclusive. Male nipples are there simply because males and females follow the same developmental path when nipples are formed. They are not adaptive because they don't confer a selective advantage to men who have them. Whether they should be celebrated, emellished, enjoyed, or ignored is a personal issue, and shouldn't depend on the adaptive value of the trait. Just like the (female) orgasm.



#37784: Jeremy Henty — 08/28  at  01:51 AM
The problem is that in everyday use the terms side-effect or byproduct usually imply unwanted, unplanned, undesirable, irrelevant, insignificant. So people are prone to mistakenly reading those implications into Lloyd's ideas. I doubt that changing the terminology would help much; people are too resistant to being told "X may be vitally important to you, but it's no big deal in the full scheme of things". You can't tell me the Universe doesn't share my priorities! wink



#37798: Trixie — 08/28  at  09:10 AM
They [male nipples] are not adaptive because they don't confer a selective advantage to men who have them.

Adaptive or not...? Hm... wouldn't it be a selective advantage for a male to be able to nurse his offspring, thereby aiding in that offspring's ability to survive and reproduce? Or is that just another "fantastic bonus"?

Point taken about the confusion over the term "byproduct," however.



's avatar #37799: PZ Myers — 08/28  at  09:14 AM
Maybe, maybe not. As people who have actually lactated have told me, it's exhausting -- the partner with the functional mammary glands is investing a lot of energy in that process.

This is actually an argument against the term "fantastic bonus"—some of these features involve many tradeoffs.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



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