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Thursday, August 04, 2005

Perspective

John Hawks thinks there's too much "foaming at the mouth" over Bush's support for Intelligent Design creationism.

I want to improve the teaching of evolution. Taking an adversarial position toward religious viewpoints or political parties is not the way to make education better. Sometimes such conflicts are unavoidable. Some religious beliefs are just scientifically wrong. The Earth was not created 6,000 years ago, and any scientific understanding of the past must repudiate this particular religious view. But many deeply religious people, and entire faiths, have no conflict with evolution. Even so, they may believe that alternative views should be available in schools.

Would it help to have a biology teacher call a child's parents "lunatics"? Certainly not. But parents, community members, churches, and other people that children know and respect are precisely the people that one is attacking, when one uses derisive rhetoric.

There is a bit of truth here terribly wrongly applied. It is correct that if I were talking to a student or a parent, trying to persuade them to abandon misbegotten notions of creationism that are affecting the student's ability to be a good biologist, I wouldn't call them lunatics. It isn't very effective to try and persuade an individual by calling them idiots, and in most cases I don't think the creationist students I occasionally get are idiots—just sadly misled.

However, I was not attacking such individuals, but the president of the US and the preachers at the Discovery Institute. You know, the responsible people who are lying to the public or working to disseminate destructive delusions.

Oh, but Hawks has that covered; his last sentence suggests that the people they "know and respect" should not be so harshly criticized, lest we alienate them. I strongly disagree. It is the leaders and enablers who must be vigorously attacked, the ones who abuse those positions of authority and respect to poison minds. When thinking people abstain from criticizing religious or political groups out of some abstract notion that responsible intellectuals are aloof from sectarian or party arguments, they are betraying the principles of their discipline.

I am a biologist. Like it or not, the Republican party is being led by religious zealots who are anti-biology, who publicly and vigorously oppose reason and knowledge and evidence in my field of study. This hasn't always been true, and it may not always be true (I hope), but right now and right here, it is inarguably the case. I will not throttle my criticisms of the despicable gang of anti-intellectuals who run this country because it might irritate all those millions of people who voted for George W. Bush; they were wrong and he is wrong and it is my responsibility as a scientist to oppose ignorance, especially ignorance that has power and influence. Let them find comfort and forgiveness for stupid mistakes in their religion, because I sure as hell am not going to give it to them.

Don't tell me to be dispassionate or less unreasonable about it all because because 65% of the American population think creationism should be taught alongside evolution, or that Americans are just responding to common notions of "fairness". That just tells me that we scientists have not been expressing our outrage enough. And yes, we should be outraged that the president of our country panders to theocrats, faith-healers, and snake-oil artists; sitting back and quietly explaining that Bush may be a decent man who is mistaken, while the preachers are stridently condemning all us evilutionists to hell, is a damned ineffective tactic that has gotten us to this point.

I say, screw the polite words and careful rhetoric. It's time for scientists to break out the steel-toed boots and brass knuckles, and get out there and hammer on the lunatics and idiots. If you don't care enough for the truth to fight for it, then get out of the way.


However, I will concede that there are reasons to argue that the worries of scientists are overblown. There is the matter of perspective.


The fate of science in our country is a small thing (but it is my small thing, so be understanding when it is the one I harp on) compared to other issues. For instance, consider Gary Farber's accounts of our soldiers, also summarized by Digby. Our people are killing Iraqis by beating them with a rubber hose while tied up in a sleeping bag, or pounding on them with sledgehammer handles. We are aggressors who have launched an unjust war and are committing atrocities against a civilian population.

So, yeah, that argument would give me pause. It is relatively unimportant to bash on the Republican party as a scientist, for betraying the promise of the Enlightenment.

We should be marching in the streets as self-respecting human beings because the Republican thugs have betrayed the cause of civilized humanity. We should be yelling EVEN LOUDER.

Goddamn, but don't even suggest that we're being too partisan. I am on the side of reason and human rights, and my only failing is that I'm not partisan enough.


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Comments:
#33762: MJS — 08/04  at  06:31 PM
Assertions made without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Christopher Hitchens


Not a fan of Mr. Hitchens, but the above quote cuts to the chase.

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#33769: bellatrys — 08/04  at  07:17 PM
There are plenty of us who have no problem with religion and science, don't see any necessary contradiction between them, and find the insistence by the Xtian Taliban to fabricate one bewildering. (Like most things, though, it does make sense when you look at it as a question of power struggle, particularly given the machismo of human society, still not transcended, which insists on seeing any collabrative effort and conflict-solving as weak/feminine and therefore turns everything into a zero-sum battle.)

For example: I believe in the God of the Burgess Shale, the post/thread by SF editor Teresa Nielsen Hayden that inspired this.

There are a lot more of us Theistic Evolutionists than most people realize. Not all of us are Christians of any sort, of course - there are Pagan ones, too. But what we all have in common is the ability to distinguish between different forms of speech: poetic/prosaic, figurative/literal, mythological/scientific, without having to force the proper interpretations of one onto the other.

We also, oddly enough, don't feel the need to go trashing atheists and atheism every other minute...



#33775: — 08/04  at  07:42 PM
Stereotyping conservatives as anti-evolutionists is as counterproductive as stereotyping christians as anti-evolutionists.

Why don't we stereotype christians as anti-evolutionists? Because it marginalises the moderates, ie christian theistic evolutionists. I think we all realise that the fundamentalist christians would be all too happy for christianity to become equated with anti-evolutionism. It makes it easier for them to convince other christians that evolution is anti-christian and atheistic and they should oppose it.

Yet I notice many people are happy to stereotype conservatives as anti-evolutionists. Again the fundamentalist christians are all too happy for conservatism to become equated with anti-evolutionism. It makes it easier for them to convince conservatives that evolution is anti-conservative and a liberal science and they should oppose it.



#33778: sort of buddhist — 08/04  at  07:54 PM
Arun,

Sure one can teach evolution, or any other science, without calling anyone's divine being "toilet paper." And one can practice any religion (or just about any religion) without rejecting well-established scientific theories, as long as one is not a "fundamentalist" about one's religion.

So the "war" is certainly not only permanent; it is not even necessary, as many people have noted. But it is the fundamentalists who have declared the war by insisting on everyone's accepting that their sacred mythology is the literal truth, and if those of us who know better (and that's not being arrogant -- we do in fact know better) ignore the fundamentalists' challenge, pretending that it will all blow over if we just keep doing our science, we will find one bright morning that the majority of the American people have become hostile to scientists and everyone who values rationality.

On that day, even if the government does not erect a shield against rationality, it won't matter, because the fascists will have gotten the people behind them. I have never bought into the "GOP = Nazis" exaggeration -- so far, at least, we fortunately do not have anything like the NSDAP to deal with, except for a few scattered Neo-Nazis. But, on the other hand, I am not so foolish as to think that we are immune to the fate of the Weimar Republic, either.



's avatar #33780: PZ Myers — 08/04  at  07:59 PM
I didn't say anything about conservatives. I said Republicans. You know, the dominant party in the US, the one that sucks up to the fundagelicals, the one that threw us into our current war, the one where the leadership is slowly trying to kill science? Surely you've heard of them?

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#33785: sort of buddhist — 08/04  at  08:44 PM
That should be: the war is not only *not* permanent...



#33786: Arun — 08/04  at  08:46 PM
Buddhist of a Sort,

This doesn't remain purely a matter of science, because there are various other agendas involved as well. The fundamentalists probably project their own motivations on to the scientists; namely, the fundamentalists are promoting religion, and so the scientists must be promoting irreligion. The science classroom however, is only for teaching science, and should be silent on religion or atheism. In fact, the science classroom is about what is scientifically valid, which is some approximation to truth, we hope.



#33790: sort of buddhist — 08/04  at  08:58 PM
Arun,

Certainly the science classroom is only for teaching science. But outside the classroom, I'm very glad we have scientists like Dr. Myers and many others who are fighting the good fight so ably. Otherwise we lay folks would really be up the creek without a means of propulsion.



#33793: — 08/04  at  09:39 PM
" That should be: the war is not only *not* permanent..."

You had it right the first time. The war is plenty permenant to anyone unfortunate enough to be involved in it directly. That goes double if they are in fact dead as a result of said involvement.



#33798: — 08/04  at  10:03 PM
Arun, science really is the enemy of religion because it has no need of God as a hypothesis. Theists would be content to see science downgraded to being the mere handmaiden of technology, and leave matters touching on the 'whys' of the universe to the clergy, in order to better guide their flocks. Life begins at conception, and is a mystery that we cannot hope to fathom, after all.

Indeed, this battle over evolution is a political, not scientific. Lysenko did to biology in Russia what Dembski would like to do to evolution here in the U.S., but thankfully, the U.S. doesn't have someone like Stalin in power who was cynically willing to go along with Lysenko's crazy agenda in order to help further his own political power. Of course I am sure Bush really doesn't believe in ID himself, really, I don't...



#33803: — 08/04  at  11:09 PM
Who can say what Dubya actually believes. I am sure that it c,an likely reduced to some combination power and money and that is about it. His personal history would suggest, not unlike any career politician, that his perceived beliefs are extremely flexible depending upon what his potential constituancy may require. His political career back in Midland, TX certainly didn't pick up until AFTER he was reborn from a spoiled, party-harty cokehead, frat boy to a good ole' boy evangelical christian. OF COURSE! He's the perfect man to weigh in on the debates over stem-cell research, reproductive rights, and evolution. I personally think that he only relocated to Midland in order to find a population suffifiently conservative and culturally isolated enough to swallow his line of bullshit.

Thank you Jeebus



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