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Wednesday, June 08, 2005

Pinkoski Part 1: Danged know-it-alls

I promised to show you some more of Pinkoski's A Creationist's View of Dinosaurs and the Theory of Evolution, so here we go.

Pinkoski's book is actually reasonably representative of the majority opinion held by creationists; the arguments in this book aren't what you see openly presented by most of the Intelligent Design creationists, but do reflect what you'll see in most of your small town church meetings and your big city mega-church revivals. Informed Christians are, of course, a bit embarrassed by the foolishness and don't endorse this stuff, but unfortunately the kind of nonsense peddled by Gish and Hovind and Ham and Pinkoski is exactly what drives the creationist activists to get out and poison our public schools.

Which brings up a problem…if these are the people we want to persuade, we face a near-impossible task. Pinkoski's book is 56 pages long, and every page contains a shocking array of falsehoods and outright stupid crap. There's no point in pussy-footing around it; creationism in all of its forms is nothing but ignorance, misconceptions, dishonesty, credulity, and sloppy logic. I don't think it helps the cause of reason to be gentle with fools, nor should we be trying to persuade creationist activists—all we can do is dissuade, by showing others the bankruptcy of their position.

And wow, but is A Creationist's View of Dinosaurs and the Theory of Evolution an example of a foolish position.

Part 1 opens with this image:

Pinkoski

Have you ever seen a monument to evolution anything like this? I sure haven't. It's kind of offensively stupid; it's just not the way most members of the "scientific community" would think. We don't need monuments to scientific concepts, especially not ones that enshrine bogus ideas like that annoying series illustrating human progress.

What we have here is an example of projection. Creationists view their beliefs as great solid monoliths of carved stone, the bigger and heavier the better, so they imagine scientists must do the same, practicing some form of idolatry. Maybe the world's sacred scientific community needs to come up with a competing monument.

The reason Pinkoski represents scientists as worshipping monoliths is that he is about to explain why we accept evolution as a reasonable explanation of how the world works. He has to admit that most scientists favor evolution (with the false caveat that they are beginning to reject it), but he has to somehow come up with a reason for why everyone doesn't think the way he does.

Nearly every major university in the world currently favors the theory of evolution, but the pendulum of truth is now swinging back to the Biblical story of creationism! Why is it taking so long? Why is it so difficult for people to "change their minds" and accept this?? Perhaps there is one reason…

And that reason is so simple: people are stupid.

Pinkoski

That's right, Pinkoski believes we only use 10% of our brains. This isn't just a casual gaffe, either—he goes on for several pages about it, brings it up in a couple of places in the book, and wraps his conclusion around this concept. When my 14 year old daughter saw this, her first comment was, "But that's wrong! It's a myth!" That's right, it's completely false. I'm sure Mr Pinkoski will also be shocked to learn that all the cylinders don't fire simultaneously and constantly in a V8 engine, either, so they must be generating only 1/8th of their potential power. This won't be the first time that Pinkoski erects an elaborate story on something that is completely wrong.

He goes on and on about this 10% myth, and his reasoning is bizarre. Nobody can know everything, and we all have limited, stupid brains, including scientists. Therefore, the ideas of creationists are just as valid as those of scientists (creationists are amazingly dedicated to relativism, as long as they can apply it to everyone else). Also, since scientists can't know everything, but we know for sure that Jesus Christ will give us eternal life, they are wrong.

He concludes this section with some assertions about salvation, and this summary of "science" (the word science is often put in scare quotes in this thing, I'm not sure why):

One of the main premises of "science" is this:

The more we learn, the more we realize we DON'T KNOW

This would be the "honest" thing for scientists to admit, right?

Unfortunately, many of today's secular scientists seem to have decided that they "know it all" in regard to evolution and science.

Scientists do recognize that there are a lot of things we don't know—we'd be out of a job if we knew everything. We take it for granted that we don't know everything.

If you thought before that science was certain— well, that is just an error on your part.

Richard Feynman

Actually, the only people claiming absolute certainty are the creationists. The last words of this tract are "WE NOW CAN PROVE THAT THE BIBLE IS TRUE!" I guess that means creationists must not be scientists, huh?

We can't determine a complete and absolute truth, but we can recognize when someone is making up nonsense that is unsupported by any reasonable evidence, and we can also recognize logical fallacies. Not all assertions are equal: when someone tells us up is down and black is white, we're able to say that he's a crackpot. It's the ones who precede their arguments by announcing that everyone in the world is completely wrong and all ideas are the same who are trying to set up a false equivalence and trying to bolster up some sort of unsupportable, unverifiable lunacy. Pinkoski knows that a bunch of eggheads who are better educated and more knowledgeable and just plain smarter than he is are going to come along and laugh at his outrageous claims, so the opening section is a pre-emptive strike…all those so-called smart guys who disagree with him only use 10% of their brains, so we can ignore their rebuttals.

Next: Part 2, Noah's Ark and how God "evolved" changes into the animals.


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Comments:
#27707: — 06/08  at  12:00 PM
It's possible Pinkoski really is using only 10 percent of his brain. I wouldn't be so sure that claim is a myth in all cases.



#27709: charlie wagner — 06/08  at  12:39 PM
Paul,
This is your blog and I respect your right to devote bandwidth to whatever issues you feel are important, but there's a lot of stuff that REALLY MATTERS that people would hopefully get passionate about.
I'm not going to repeat all this here, you can go to PT and read about what *I* think really matters. Would your intensity regarding this misguided debacle in Iraq be the same if Connlann was threatened with conscription, like I was in Vietnam?

http://www.pandasthumb.org/pt-archives/001076.html#c34190



#27711: — 06/08  at  12:49 PM
the kind of nonsense peddled by Gish and Hovind and Ham and Pinkoski is exactly what drives the creationist activists to get out...


Yes, I'll wager Behe sits around all day reading comic books...

...just like some Evolutionists I know of...



#27713: — 06/08  at  12:57 PM
charley wagner, it would be worth your while to read this post by Atrios, especially the third paragraph:

"If Josh Marshall, Tapped, the Washington Monthly, Daily Kos, Pandagon and numerous other blogs talk about something, and I don't, some people probably will manage to actually hear about it even without it appearing on this page."



#27715: — 06/08  at  01:06 PM
Maybe the world's sacred scientific community needs to come up with a competing monument.
Monuments to (secular) science are already all around us. They just tend not to be quite so self-serving and egotistical as religious ones.

They range from incubators designed to thwart any gods trying to kill premature babies (although that doesn't always go as planned) and vaccines and lightning rods designed to thwart gods trying to kill people later on in life, through gas and electric lamps, nuclear reactors, computers, microwave ovens, mobile phones etc to martian landers. To which creationists respond by doing things like taking control over NASA's budget - to the detriment of science.



#27718: charlie wagner — 06/08  at  01:20 PM
Theophylact wrote:


charley (sic)wagner, it would be worth your while to read this post by Atrios, especially the third paragraph:

"If Josh Marshall, Tapped, the Washington Monthly, Daily Kos, Pandagon and numerous other blogs talk about something, and I don't, some people probably will manage to actually hear about it even without it appearing on this page."

I don't agree with Atrios.

If a grievous misdeed is being perpetrated it's everyone's responsibility to speak out. That's how we build momentum to right these wrongs. We don't just sit around expecting someone else to take care of it.



#27719: — 06/08  at  01:27 PM
'
Yes, I'll wager Behe sits around all day reading comic books...

...just like some Evolutionists I know of... '


Jester you goof, behe is an evolutionist, he just thinks God guided the process and goes to some rather bizarre methodology to (not) prove it.



#27720: — 06/08  at  01:29 PM
He is quoting Feynman? The man who talked about Cargo Cult science? (pdf).

Oh, and the 10% of the brain part reminds me of a story one of my friend, David, told about running into a Scientology book pusher (SBP):

SBP: "Excuse me sir, did you know that Einstein have said that mankind only uses 10% of their brains?"

David: "No, actually I wasn't aware of that."

SBP: "Did you also know that there is a book that can help you using the rest of your brain?"

David: "No, I didn't."

SBP: "Well, this book" [shows a Scientology book] "can help you learn to utilize your brain fully and become more succesful in life."

David: "Really? That sounds amazing. Have you read it?"

SBP: "Yes, I have, and..."

David: "So, why are you still peddling books to strangers?"



#27722: Tyson Burghardt — 06/08  at  01:36 PM
The 'Pendulum of Truth' bit implies that once we've all had a good century and a half of creationism, we might be right back to evolution, doesn't it? Of course, my understanding of pendula is guided by godless science; the new biblical science may well inform me otherwise on the issue of swinging weights.

Plus—why does the narrator look like an elderly Charlie Brown?



#27724: — 06/08  at  01:53 PM
I don't think Pinkoski's quoting Feynman, Kristjan. It looks more as though PZ is quoting Feynman to illustrate the absurdity of Pinkoski's assertion that scientists believe they have all the answers.



#27725: — 06/08  at  01:59 PM
Charlie Wagner - while echoing Atrios's sentiments (the lefty blogosphere has been complaining vociferously about the Iraq war since 2002 and it doesn't seem to have helped), I'd also like to point out that the faith based approach to evidence displayed by creationists bears some small relation to the Bush administration's, ermm, faith based approach to evidence. Perhaps the horrific results of the latter can help you see why most biologists have such a visceral reaction to creationism and particularly attempts to treat it as science.



#27726: — 06/08  at  02:00 PM
Charlie,

If you have something you think is deep or profound and needs to be heard - go start your own blog and stop telling people like PZ who already have one what they should be posting about.

I come to this blog because I like to read what PZ posts about, if you don't like what he posts, then go elsewhere to read what you do like.

Cheeto



#27727: — 06/08  at  02:00 PM
What we have here is an example of projection. Creationists view their beliefs as great solid monoliths of carved stone, the bigger and heavier the better, so they imagine scientists must do the same, practicing some form of idolatry.

Yep. This is a very general problem in talking with creationists- debate often founders before it can get down to brass tacks (it's late- metaphors miscegenate) because the creationists can't seem to get past their idea of truth being embodied in unerrant text with divine authority behind it.

This is evident in their incessant attacks upon the person of Charles Darwin. They must reason: If Jesus was wrong about something, Christianity cannot be the Word of God. So if Darwin was wrong, ditto for Darwinism.



#27732: — 06/08  at  02:28 PM
Is that guy in the corner of the 10% myth supposed to be Charlie Brown's grandpa or something? Nice sweater.



#27735: — 06/08  at  02:43 PM
LOL, that monument made me laugh.. We could use one of those, but then einstein would feel bad. So we need a HUGE sun representing gravity. But watson and Crick would feel bad, so we need a HUGE double helix for DNA. We can post em on the lawns of our universities.

Better than saints and other religious figures.

-----
"As with all of ID, the important thing is first to have the concept. Production can then follow as a matter of course.” -Dembski



#27739: Merlijn de Smit — 06/08  at  03:06 PM
Well, come to think of it, the city of Brussels already has a gigantic iron crystal with nine atoms that positively dwarfs that puny evolution monument...



#27742: — 06/08  at  03:35 PM
Off-topic:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,15551307%255E29677,00.html

"Outrage over anti-rape 'tampon' device"



#27743: — 06/08  at  03:44 PM
Some signs you're dealing with a total moron is when he uses underlined, bold, quote-mark-bracketed, and capitalized letters for emphasis.



#27744: saurabh — 06/08  at  03:45 PM
Kristjan - pretty good story, but I got it beat. My PI told me this the other day: friend of his (I forget who) was on the train commuting to work one morning, and was approached by some Jesus-juicers trying to convert him. The exchange:

JJ: Excuse me, sir, did you know that scientists have recently proved the existence of Eve?

FOH: Yes, I know this work, it's by Masatoshi Nei. Actually, I know Masatoshi Nei, too, he's a friend of mine.

JJ (not missing a beat): That's great! (begins conversion spiel)

You can't faze some people.



#27745: Ron Sullivan — 06/08  at  03:57 PM
We don't just sit around expecting someone else to take care of it.

Unless we're Charlie Wagner of course.

I've been following Pharyngula for some months now, and frankly this is the first time I've noticed Charlie carrying on about the Iraq war. I call Bullshit.



#27750: charlie wagner — 06/08  at  04:01 PM
Ginger Yellow wrote:

If you have something you think is deep or profound and needs to be heard - go start your own blog


I have my own blog. Nobody reads it.
PZ had 5232 visitors yesterday, I had 2.

I'm better off posting here than on my own blog.
I get hundreds of hits from here everytime I post something.
And I don't have to worry like PZ does about what to post every day.

Go to http://enigma.charliewagner.com
You might find it interesting, especially if you go back and look at the old stuff.



#27760: charlie wagner — 06/08  at  04:45 PM
Ginger Yellow wrote:


...the faith based approach to evidence displayed by creationists bears some small relation to the Bush administration's, ermm, faith based approach to evidence.


Well, thank the Great Spirit, I'm neither a creationist or a Republican!



#27761: Skeptico — 06/08  at  04:58 PM
That "evolution monument" - am I the only one who thinks the third figure from the left has an enormous erect member?

(I wouldn't like to be the guy on the far right.)



#27764: — 06/08  at  05:38 PM
One of the most powerful and striking things I've ever seen is London's Natural History Museum. The building is imposing enough through its sheer size and the scale of the towers and entrance seem specifically designed to force you a step back. Once I took that step it was another moment before I realised that wrinkled along the columns and windows were depictions which conjured up scenes and imagery I had only seen before in books - depictions over a century old; Pterosaurs, Icthyosaurs, geckos, monkeys, snakes, flowers, fishes...It was so odd and thrilling, seeing so many reliefs and features, so detailed, spanning a building so huge and fantastic and not one of them was dedicated to saints, symbols or demons. I think the National History Museum comes closest to a monument, but to discovery; to nature and its incredible, fascinating diversity.

And then you go inside, and - no hint of disrespect to the Museum intended - therein are creatures and fossils that make its beauty pale in comparison.



#27767: charlie wagner — 06/08  at  05:55 PM
Kristjan Wager wrote:

He is quoting Feynman? The man who talked about Cargo Cult science?

What's your point? Feynman was a genius and this speech is right on the money. Much of evolution is "cargo cult science".
We would be well advised to heed Feynman's words:

"For example, if you're doing an experiment, you should report everything that you think might make it invalid--not only what you think is right about it: other causes that could possibly explain your results; and things you thought of that you've eliminated by some other experiment, and how they worked--to make sure the other fellow can tell they have been eliminated.
Details that could throw doubt on your interpretation must be given, if you know them. You must do the best you can--if you know anything at all wrong, or possibly wrong--to explain it. If you make a theory, for example, and advertise it, or put it out, then you must also put down all the facts that disagree with it, as well as those that agree with it. There is also a more subtle problem. When you have put a lot of ideas together to make an elaborate theory, you want to make sure, when explaining what it fits, that those things it fits are not just the things that gave you the idea for the theory; but that the finished theory makes something else come out right, in addition."

Evolutionists take note...

http://www.charliewagner.com
http://enigma.charliewagner.com



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