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Friday, December 03, 2004

Prigs, prudes, puritans, and prissy pissants

What is it with the bluenosed prudes in this country? Last year, they were all atwitter over an exposed nipple, then it was some silly football commercial that showed a woman's back, and it just keeps getting sillier:

US distributors of the film Merchant of Venice, which premiered in London this week, have asked the director to cut out a background fresco by a Venetian old master so it is fit for American television viewers…
According to [director Michael] Radford, there was “a very curious request which said ‘Could you please paint-box out the wallpaper?’. I said wallpaper, what wallpaper? This is the 16th century, people didn’t have wall-paper.”
When he examined the scenes, he realised the letter was referring to frescoes by Paolo Veronese, the acclaimed Venetian 16th-century artist, which, when examined closely, showed a naked cupid.
“A billion dollars worth of Veronese great master’s frescoes they want paint-boxed out because of this cupid’s willy. It is absolutely absurd,” he said.

Honestly, you can load up our movies with bobbling breasts, bare buttocks, close-ups of genitalia, whatever…it won't make any difference. I don't run off and rape people because I saw a nice thigh on a TV show. I don't even buy, rent, or attend movies because they are ripe with nudity. Mature, intelligent people simply don't get that worked up about a little exposed flesh—and by "mature", I mean the level of sophistication that most of us reach by the time we're four years old. Shouldn't this censor think a little bit? This wasn't "wallpaper" at a peep show. It's decorative art in a place where people of all ages can see it, and in 500 years of testing, it apparently hasn't caused anyone's head to explode yet.

It gets worse. Of course. It always does.

Here's another news story from the progressive state of Alabama.

An Alabama lawmaker who sought to ban gay marriages now wants to ban novels with gay characters from public libraries, including university libraries.
A bill by Rep. Gerald Allen, R-Cottondale, would prohibit the use of public funds for "the purchase of textbooks or library materials that recognize or promote homosexuality as an acceptable lifestyle." Allen said he filed the bill to protect children from the "homosexual agenda."

Allen said that if his bill passes, novels with gay protagonists and college textbooks that suggest homosexuality is natural would have to be removed from library shelves and destroyed.

When asked about Tennessee Williams' southern classic "Cat On A Hot Tin Roof," Allen said the play probably couldn't be performed by university theater groups.

He then gasped something about "Brick…," the "manly sport of football," and some calculatin' bitch who came between him and his best friend. Bad collegiate flashback, apparently.

Allen said no state funds should be used to pay for materials that foster homosexuality. He said that would include nonfiction books that suggest homosexuality is acceptable and fiction novels with gay characters. While that would ban books like "Heather has Two Mommies," it could also include classic and popular novels with gay characters such as "The Color Purple," "The Picture of Dorian Gray" and "Brideshead Revisted."
The bill also would ban materials that recognize or promote a lifestyle or actions prohibited by the sodomy and sexual misconduct laws of Alabama. Allen said that meant books with heterosexual couples committing those acts likely would be banned, too.

Oh, let's not stop there. Let's also prohibit people from running for office if their sexuality is so fragile that they believe the sight of a penis could turn them into a ragin' 'mo. As long as we're hating on people's sexuality, I think the kind of guy who breaks into a fevered sweat at the sight of some plump Renaissance cherub painted on a wall needs some careful monitoring, and maybe shouldn't be trusted with judging the propriety of content of movies, books, and plays. The people who should be trusted with the public morality are the ones who trust their own morality, who can browse a coffee table book of Mapplethorpe photos without freaking, or can saunter laughing through an outrageous ball without worry that their integrity will disintegrate.


Speaking of prigs, Michael Powell has an op-ed in the NY Times on this kind of issue, and guess what side he's on?

It is no surprise that those who make a handsome living by selling saucy fare rant the loudest—it drives up the ratings.

"Why does it drive up ratings?", a reasonable person might ask. I also think it is a bit slimy to imply that the people who complain about government censorship are porn merchants.

As one deeply suspicious of government involvement in the regulation of content, I understand and often agree with those who stand up for the cherished value of free speech. But as a parent, I respect the desire of the American people for a minimum level of decency on the public airwaves - particularly where their children are concerned. The often unenviable task of striking a balance between these two competing values falls to the Federal Communications Commission.

Whoa, there. A "minimum level of decency"—but look at the issues that rile up the puritans. A bare back. A breast. A bare-breasted statue at the Justice Department. We aren't talking about pay-per-view orgy movies advertised with explicit clips on Teletubbies. This is trivial stuff. Get some perspective, man! The problem is that there is no balance and no discrimination and no grown-ups at the FCC.

If one slices through the rhetoric, you'll find that most opponents of the agency's strong enforcement efforts believe that the government simply should not impose any decency standard at all. Berating citizens who believe in values and reasonable limits is insulting and polarizing and distracts from the legitimate issues of this policy debate.

The "reasonable limits" are ridiculous and silly, and aren't reasonable at all. It is more slime to set this up as a battle between "citizens who believe in values" and what, us citizens with no values?


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Comments:
#10204: — 12/03  at  10:32 AM
Don't forget, Professor, that it's not just a matter of indecency standards. Under state or federal obscenity laws, people are still occasionally sent to prison for distributing (adult) pornography. The distribution of certain sexual apparatus is also still prosecuted in some states (selling a dildo in Texas, for example). A fairly recent Texas appeals court decision on one such prosecution has an amusing concurrence by one of the judges, beginning: "Here we go, raising the price of dildos again." Punishing arguably questionable behavior w/out proof of tangible harm seems to be an American specialty. I don't know of any other country in the developed world that is so given this sort of thing.



#10205: Second Hand Thinker — 12/03  at  10:40 AM
Isn’t it amazing how the people who boasts about their morality the most are the people who are advocating book burnings, censorship of arts, death penalty, bombing of innocent people in other counties and other such actions? If their ideologies are so “superior” why can’t they stand the completion? They like telling progressives to “like it or leave it” every chance they get. Well, it is obvious that they want to live in a theocracy, so perhaps it is time we start suggesting that they move to Iran?



#10206: — 12/03  at  10:45 AM
If there was a vote today:

Do you approve of the conservatives getting Jesusland, all the red states, and forming their own country, while the liberals get all the blue states as their own country?

I would vote yes. I'd vote Fuck Yes, if that were an option. Why should I have to fight the kind of assface who requested this coverup, over what to show on tv, what to have in science class, etc? We should just part company.



#10207: — 12/03  at  10:47 AM
"Well, it is obvious that they want to live in a theocracy, so perhaps it is time we start suggesting that they move to Iran? "

Well the problem, SHT, is that they are in charge now. They would tell you to move. And they outnumber us.



#10208: — 12/03  at  10:48 AM
In case anyone doubts me (as to dildos) here is the citation for the case I mentioned above, Regalado v. State, 872 S.W.2d 7 (1994). For a more recent example of the same sort of thing, see Webber v. State, 21 S.W.3d 726 (2000).



#10209: Second Hand Thinker — 12/03  at  10:56 AM
Steve,

Yes, they outnumber us but they cannot send us away just yet (who knows what will be after "four more years"), so at least we can do is to start responding to them with the same attitude they display towards us - "if they do not like our freedoms - they might want to consider moving to a place with fewer of them." I can see the brochure in a travel agency "If you are a conservative and if you would like to be tortured please consider following great destinations: ..."



#10211: — 12/03  at  11:05 AM
I don't know man, these people are fucking crazy. These people are so nuts, they can't handle the level of nudity that the 16th century catholic church could. I mean, dang.



#10210: Bryson Brown — 12/03  at  11:05 AM
Moral hysteria is an ugly thing, and a dangerous political tool. I think it's mostly a cover story: 'family values' for the rubes you're fleecing, and big, big tax breaks (who cares what it costs the next generation-- we wanna be richer right now!) for the folk who count. But there is a kind of lunatic, faith-based sincerity in a lot of it. Whatever the game is, it's a scary sight.



#10212: — 12/03  at  11:08 AM
Censorship...abortion...science...gays...File this under framing or whatever, but I want to see liberals adopt the slogan "The conservatives hate our freedoms". In fact, I'm going to start pushing that meme.



#10215: Second Hand Thinker — 12/03  at  11:14 AM
Steve wrote, "I want to see liberals adopt the slogan “The conservatives hate our freedoms”. In fact, I’m going to start pushing that meme."

Yeah, that is what I was talking about. They are good at "marketing" their ignorant and intolerant ideas, it is time we start marketing ours and good slogans and catch phrases is where we might as well start.



#10216: Stephen Brophy — 12/03  at  11:16 AM
Ah the wonders of fair and balanced opinions.
Winace's strawman says it best:
http://winace.andkon.com/pics/#strawman



's avatar #10217: — 12/03  at  11:18 AM
The terrifying gay agenda:

http://www.markfiore.com/animation/agenda.html



's avatar #10218: Chris Clarke — 12/03  at  11:18 AM
An Alabama lawmaker who sought to ban gay marriages now wants to ban novels with gay characters from public libraries, including university libraries.


Upside: we could probably arrange to have the four Gospels banned under these rules.

"I do not think we should antagonize the religious when it is not warranted, though I think we should be willing to do so whenever it is.”
-- Glen Davidson



#10221: Mike — 12/03  at  11:38 AM
I've always thought that religion and its consquences is the most likely candidate for ending civilization, and technology in the hand of some fundies the most likely cause, whether those fundies happen to be of the Islamic type or the new American Taliban.

What shall we call this new American Taliban? If we are truly going to frame the issue, we need a derisive, unique nickname for them. "American Taliban" is too long.

I propose "rumpers," short for "red-state Bible-thumpers." It's good because it sounds vaguely homo and is a catchy word. Hehe.



#10222: Tyson — 12/03  at  11:42 AM
Encourage any and all to send Mr. Powell a comment, which he says he "regularly reviews" himself. Will it do any good?

Eh.

But you'll be more satisfied, if only self-. And plus, you'll make Powell's mailfilter work just a little bit harder from now on. Which, okay, is more of like a moral victory, if anything.

And but postscript: a good piece of advice is, never doubt C. Shuyler as to dildos.



#10223: — 12/03  at  11:56 AM
There's an easy way to shut up the loudmouth homophobe at the bar at least. Point out that if he thinks anyone can "choose" to be homosexual, then he already is.

Straights are born that way.

Turns the argument on its head a little doesn't it?



#10224: — 12/03  at  12:05 PM
" . . . postscript: a good piece of advice is, never doubt C. Schuyler as to dildos."

Well, it's nice to have a name for something. Not completely a propos, but this reminds of the old Robert Klein routine about absurd testimonials in commercials: "I may not know much about gasoline, but I DO know deck shoes . . . and it stands to reason, if they make good deck shoes, they can make good gasoline. Thank you." In truth, a testimonial from me about dildos would have about the same value.



#10225: PaulH — 12/03  at  12:17 PM
To be biblically consistent we should probably ban shows that suggest that divorce is acceptable. So that would be, um, everything. Except maybe MNF, but we've already banned that.



#10226: — 12/03  at  12:23 PM
Chris - I don't know how good a case we can make for tossing the Gospels, but that David and Jonathan stuff absolutely has to go!



#10229: Second Hand Thinker — 12/03  at  01:06 PM
All the creationist “writings” will have to be banned as well, since they teach that god created everything including homosexuals and therefore god is promoting the homosexual lifestyle…

Which reminds me of a bumper sticker I see on someone’s car every day, it reads, “Real men love Jesus”. I don’t know about you but it looks like a promotion of homosexuality to me… grin



#10230: Reed A. Cartwright — 12/03  at  01:14 PM
Alabama is notorious for having a horrible constitution, written nearly a 100 years ago by white aristocracy. I don't know if it at all insulates higher public education from legislators. You can bet that Alabama's public colleges and universities could lose their accredation if this bill passes.

In Georgia, the state constitution not only establishes the board of regents as the sole power over the public university system, but also establishes that it alone has the power to decide the budget of the universityies. This prevents politicians from trying to defund specific departments or professors that they don't like.



's avatar #10232: Ben — 12/03  at  06:39 PM
Straights are born that way.

Don't be too sure. I was a confused young boy before puberty until my heterosexuality was solidified by my father's collection of the Gospels According To Hef.

An Alabama lawmaker who sought to ban gay marriages now wants to ban novels with gay characters from public libraries, including university libraries.

Wait... there are libraries in Alabama?

"The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them." --Thomas Edison.



#10237: — 12/03  at  09:27 PM
No ordinary people were upset at the Veronese fresco, the US distributors asked it to be removed because they narrow mindedly and sterotypically assume that people will be upset. Or, which is more likely, they were trying to generate free media coverage of a forthcoming movie.



#10248: Matt McIrvin — 12/04  at  11:59 AM
1. NO to Jesusland. I'd have ended up trapped there had the imagined secession happened too soon, and I know many decent and tolerant people who would be in the same situation today. Red state/blue state divisions are misleading.

2. The prudes do NOT outnumber us (even if you believe exit polls); they've just continued their fragile alliance with the greedy, the people who just believe that Democrats are all communists. and the people who believe that only Republicans can fight terrorists.

I hate to see people become personally afraid of their neighbors coming to kill them, and I've been seeing a lot of that going around on the liberal Web.



#10290: Steve Bates — 12/06  at  12:20 AM
"But think of the children," some of these narrow-minded nutcases cry. Indeed, think of them: at least one commenter back during the Super Bowl scandal remarked that the sight of a breast might cause infants and very young children to become... hungry!

Civilization has survived times of great prudery before, even times in which the prudes were in charge. But I'm not young, and this particular heyday of the prudes may well last the rest of my lifetime. Yes, I have a problem with that.



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