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Friday, December 02, 2005

Scott Adams just can't stop typing, I guess

I'm still getting tiresome complaints from Dilbert fans—they insist that I just don't understand Scott Adams, he's a humorist, I'm obsessed with him, etc., etc., etc. They don't seem to realize that they're all responding to the same post, and they're all saying the same thing over and over. And now Adams has yet another post on ID, and he's just digging himself deeper.

You'd think that a "humorist" would realize that if a joke falls flat, repeating it half a dozen times more won't rescue it.

His latest iteration takes two different tacks. I'll hit them both up.

1. He suggests that we use Intelligent Design as a bad example—that we should "welcome such a clear model of something that is NOT science". That's fine; we do this all the time, and I have used creationism as an example of how not to do science. It's missing the argument, though. There has never been any restriction on using counterexamples, and no one objects. The issue, though, is that the creationists want to mandate the teaching of Intelligent Design as a legitimate alternative to evolution. This is unjustified, and his suggestion does not address the actual issue.

I would also add that what is specified in curriculum standards is content, not pedagogy; Adams is making a pedagogical suggestion in a debate about content. There's a difference between suggestions about how something should be taught, and what should be taught—teachers are well aware of it, but the difference seems to elude Mr Adams.

2. He has another irrelevant example.

Imagine that lightning suddenly carves into the side of the Washington Monument the words "I am God. I created you. Darwin was a nut." And let's say there are hundreds of witnesses who all have video cameras and capture it from multiple angles…Here’s the question: Should teachers be allowed to tell science students about the lightning messages?

I'll ignore the details (lightning bolts leaving jokey messages would make me suspicious that it isn't a god at all) and consider just the principle: an unambiguous and naturally unexplainable manifestion of a deity. The answer to his question is easy. Yes. We should have lots of discussions about it.

His hypothetical is painfully irrelevant, however, and what damns Adams is that he doesn't seem to realize it. Intelligent Design creationists have presented NO EVIDENCE for their assumed designer. None. This situation is not at all comparable to what the IDists offer because they have not presented the video tape or the photographs of the markings on the monument.

Here's a question for Adams: Imagine that some people wearing tinfoil hats announce that they have received extraterrestrial communications explaining that the Blorgs of Neptune were responsible for our creation. They have photos of spaceships (that look remarkably like blurry pie plates) and a medium who goes into trances and speaks with the voice of Humpharumphoo, leader of the Blorgs.

Should the Blorg theory of human origins be required instruction in all high school biology courses?

Would it be acceptable if they also pretentiously declared that there are technical difficulties in the unguided synthesis of guanine under certain atmospheric conditions, using lots of technical jargon? Does Mr Adams believe that phenomena incompletely explained by chemistry are sufficient evidence for Blorgism?


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Comments:
#51872: — 12/03  at  05:06 PM

Why haven't you mentioned the FSM recently?

Hasn't anyone let you in one the secret code words to avoid persecution? It is safe to assume that when a blogger uses the words "squid" or "calamari", that he is really talking about FSM.

If you doubt the existence of intolerance by the ruling Christian majority, <a href="http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegional/view.bg?articleid=115153">here's an excerpt from a recent article about the national "Christmas" tree:

Powerful conservative preacher Jerry Falwell threw his support last week behind Liberty Counsel, an Orlando-based group that has threatened to sue any city or school district that attempts to secularize Christmas. In a Herald interview, the group’s top lawyer singled out Boston for calling its official conifer a “holiday tree.” And the tree’s own donor, a Nova Scotia lumberjack, said he would have fed the 36-year-old white spruce to the wood chipper if had he known it would be misnamed.

That's the spirit of the season!



#51883: — 12/03  at  09:17 PM
Hey, I usually read this blog using my employer's bandwdith and equipment. Dilbert, too, now that I think about it, but just not that often.

It's kind of sad to see, really. I will admit that I still find a lot of his material funny, albeit not when he's dealing with science. I just don't find him all that compelling any more.

This shouldn't be interpreted as sour grapes by a scientist, since I'm a sys admin (currently cursing my job, I might add).



#51896: arensb — 12/04  at  12:58 AM
This shouldn't be interpreted as sour grapes by a scientist, since I'm a sys admin (currently cursing my job, I might add).

You say you read Pharyngula at work, and you posted this on a Saturday. I conclude that a) something broke while you were on call, and b) it was bad enough that you couldn't fix it remotely. You have my sympathy.

Did the magic smoke escape from the router or something?



#51924: — 12/04  at  10:53 AM
Ah, but, he is funny. You are not.

Any scientist who engages in this argument is no scientist.

Any Christian who engages in this argument is no Christian.

Don't we all have better things to do?



's avatar #51944: — 12/04  at  02:16 PM
"Ah, but, he is funny. You are not."

You are a riot.

"Any scientist who engages in this argument is no scientist."

Without logic.

"Any Christian who engages in this argument is no Christian."

Without compassion.

"Don't we all have better things to do?"

Writing rethorical questions you should answer yourself.

But what do I know, maybe you are trying to pull our leg? Like Adams says he was doing.



#51970: — 12/04  at  04:59 PM
He suggests that we use Intelligent Design as a bad example—that we should "welcome such a clear model of something that is NOT science". That's fine; we do this all the time

Even when he agrees with you.. Have you read anything by William Dembski? Here is how he handles adversity.
In those programs, Stewart & Co. had some lines that were not only funny but also memorable. The one that sticks out poked fun at ID: “We’re not saying that the designer is God, just someone with the same skill-set.”

You don't hear bile from him. It's sad that you can't be more like him. You discredit your cause, sir.



#52174: — 12/05  at  02:20 PM
I see your point but there are scads of people who believe they have already seen at least one of these "unambiguous and naturally unexplainable manifestion(s) of a deity".

And if they haven't seen one personally, they are more than willing to accept 2nd hand reports from one of their fellow parishioners.


-Fearlessleader

The pain, the PAIN of it all! Dude! Fearless Leader! The question of whether or not personal revelation is 'true' or not has NOTHING to do with science! Science is about the material, not the spiritual world, and is about deriving material explanations for material phenomena, testing those explanations, and accepting the ones that work as useful explanations. We know, for instance, that seratonin leads to happy thoughts. We know that this is due to the interaction bewteen the chemical and your brain's receptors. That's science. What isn't science is the question of 'why' such a thing as seratonin should exist - 'why' in this sense, is a purely human construct, it has nothing to with the material world, and is properly the realm of theology and philosophy. It is entirely possible that God created the universe so as to result in evolutionary change - in fact, it fits pretty well with Newton's 'watch-maker' God - but it cannot be proven through science, in fact it cannot be proven at all. It is a matter of FAITH! It's a real measure of how little faith these creationists and ID proponents have in thier religion that they think Darwin is a threat.



#52213: — 12/05  at  04:27 PM
Interesting coining of the phrase "Dilbert Mob" in this group.

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.comics.strips/browse_thread/thread/2f19d87cd1de2f58/253e7127384b2154?q=dilbert+mob&



#52785: — 12/07  at  10:53 PM
You seem to have a lot - a LOT - of trouble understanding that Scott Adams isn't arguing ANYTHING about the merits of ID or evolution. He's just talking about how the debate looks to a layman. That's it. Instead of hitting him over the head for making arguments he never did, you should take the opportunity to explain, in simple language, the debate and why you hold your point of view. Instead, you chose to come off like an arrogant jerk. Nice going. I'm sure you're lots of fun at a cocktail party.



#54114: — 12/18  at  10:32 PM
"I know this is kind of complicated stuff for you guys. If you need more hand-holding, let me know."

It's not my hand that needs holding... rasberry



#54335: — 12/20  at  01:29 AM
You're wasting your time, nutheads :x. If you seriously think refuting comments famous people have made will make you an instant star, you're pretty lame. It's a VIEW POINT. Just because you think you're soooo knowledgeble with your evolution theory doesn't mean you have to be all tightas*ed and try to force this on everyone else. Go try to tell this to scientists and people who actually CARE, instead of surfing the net looking for famous people's blogs and then typing up a huge list of facts against it. That's just like purposely looking for improperly spelled words or misplaced periods for brownie points.

Stop trying to act big because nobody really cares and whether God made us or didn't won't affect our lives. I can copy and paste the exact same things that Scott Adams wrote verbatim onto my blog and the most i'll get out of people is "I have a different view but you are entitled to your own." But nooooooooo Scott Adams can't have his own view. Now Scott Adams is a wally, Scott Adams is an idiot, I used to like Scott Adams but now that I found out he is an IDist (god forbid) and doesn't know every fact of the known universe I don't like his comic anymore. Blah blah blah.

Ok? I'm not supporting Scott Adams, I'm not being his pet dog. You're just so pathetic that you disgust me, that's all (and I don't need to look up big words to prove that).



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