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Friday, January 21, 2005

Sexist Calvinism

No, not that Calvin, this one:

Calvin and Hobbes

The right wing has settled on a standard response to the Summers spectacle, I guess. I'm seeing the same thing over and over:

  • Summers shouldn't have apologized, he has caved in to the forces of political correctness!
  • Statistics prove that Summers was right.
  • Don't those liberals know how stupid it is to think everyone is exactly identical?
  • Steven Pinker is my hero.

Here's a perfect example: not to pick on King, but it is an ideal synthesis of the standard, wrong, conservative response.

There's the usual expression of disappointment. I don't know, I think it's a good thing when someone apologizes if they say something stupid. Maybe Summers is learning, and that's always a good thing.

Then there is the usual statistical argument, that I've also seen come up in the comments here.

The distribution of natural endowments for math abilities for men show the same mean but greater variance than math abilities for women. Therefore, men will be disproportionately represented at the tails of the distribution relative to women. In other words, there are likely to be more men in society than women with unusually poor and below-average math skills.

To play the same game, though, there's another statistical fact: if there is even a slight, pervasive bias against one group, that shifts the mean a small amount in one direction, that also means you will have a disproportionate effect on their representation in the tail of the distribution.

But hey, guess what? Correlation is not causation, and you can't use these kinds of distributions to argue for innate differences—they can be equally well (better, to my mind) explained by environmental factors. Also, these statistical games may be correct, but if and only if the property of success in science and math is a simple one, with one quantifiable attribute that is an indicator of this mysterious parameter called "math ability". It's like IQ—one number, bang, we can take a complex human being and fit them into a slot on a histogram, and define and predict their performance. It's an assumption that there is a single optimum and a denial that there are multiple strategies for success in science and math. I know some few scientists and mathematicians, and they are all different; the simplistic reduction of complex properties to one-dimensional cartoons that support comfortable stereotypes is patently false.

A commenter at SCSU Scholars doesn't comprehend this, and makes a lovely straw man:

For anybody to say that given only the above two variables (not to mention dozens of others) - to maintain that the brains of individuals have to be identical - shows that person must either be hopelessly uneducated or worse must be disposed to a religious like fanaticism towards some highly questionable ideals.

He's got it backwards. We aren't saying men and women are the same, but that they may very well have some slightly different intellectual properties, and most importantly, all individuals are different. Meanwhile, people like Summers are trying to impose a single simplistic standard on scientists, modeled on a few extremes, all male. Summers even suggested that in his remarks about "80 hour work weeks"—if your ideals are pathologically freakish males, don't be surprised when few females fit the template. But don't think you are selecting for good scientists; you're selecting for freakish males, instead.

(Speaking of freakish males, one mathematical ideal would be Paul Erdös. If we selected for his peculiar set of traits in job searches for mathematicians, we might get some fine researchers, but very few women. But are all great mathematicians like Erdös? I would hope not.

By the way, Erdös also weighed in on this issue, in his own strange terminology:

Two of his brightest epsilons [children] once asked why there were so few female mathematicians. He explained that it wasn't a lack of ability: "suppose the slave children (boys) would be brought up with the idea that, if they are very clever, the bosses (girls) will not like them—would there be then many boys who do mathematics?" Both said well, perhaps not so many.

Pretty damn smart, that Erdös. But I wouldn't want to live like him.)

One extremely popular source among the defenders of chauvinism is Steven Pinker.

Perhaps the hypothesis is wrong, but how would we ever find out whether it is wrong if it is "offensive" even to consider it? People who storm out of a meeting at the mention of a hypothesis, or declare it taboo or offensive without providing arguments or evidence, don’t get the concept of a university or free inquiry.

I don't think he's a very credible source, because he has a conflict of interest. If people started walking out on presentations of fact-free, unsupported hypotheses, Pinker wouldn't have a career.

Pinker is spinning the story. People weren't irate because Summers presented a tentative hypothesis, but because Summers, an administrator with much clout in hiring and firing, presented a badly formed hypothesis with no evidence to support it, that contradicted what we know about the complexity of biology, and he misrepresented it as the result of current, "cutting-edge research." This is exactly what we see from creationists, too. They will say that the idea that the earth is only 6,000 years old is simply a legitimate scientific hypothesis, supported by many top-notch researchers, and we're violating the spirit of free inquiry by rejecting it. But it's not. It's been considered and rejected, and is an utterly ludicrous idea. And if the president of my university smugly spouted off such garbage, I'd be outraged and looking to see him fired too, as someone patently incompetent to lead a research university.

Context matters. We consider hypotheses of innate differences all the time in science; that's very different from an administrator using half-baked ideas to rationalize away cultural stereotypes and prejudicial policies.

It just seems to me that the fact that women are subject to widespread, long-term bias against their scientific abilities, yet some still persevere and manage to make it, is convincing evidence that the "hypothesis" that they are innately inferior in these fields is bogus. You can come back and tell me about "distribution curves" and "long tails" when the playing field is level and you can actually legitimately provide appropriate data.


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Comments:
#14167: Jan Theodore Galkowski — 01/23  at  12:17 AM
But there is resolution at the high tail end in the numerous studies of the highly gifted.

eudoxis, can you provide a more specific reference to this? I've had a quick look at Benbow's MPY and apart from tracking gross distributional categories, there's little address of the high end of that scale. Or did you mean that the population or cohorts in Benbow's MPY taking the SAT-M were already "highly gifted"?

Seems to me there's little resolution of people who for instance score above 700 SAT-M. What I think would be interesting is a comparison of the abilities of all genders who make it into that statistical bucket, with the argument that any innate gender difference per SAT-M findings in MPY ought to still be expressed in the set of folks scoring 700-800. After all, that's a "more stressful" niche demanding higher performance. If there proves to be no statistical difference there by gender, it's hard to imagine gender has anything at all to do with mathematical ability.



#14168: Jan Theodore Galkowski — 01/23  at  12:32 AM
Benbow [Journal of Educational Psychology, 1992. Vol. 84, No. 1, 51-61] claims:
Yet it was distressing to note that gender
differences in mathematics/science achievement exist even
among students in the top quarter of the top 1% in SAT-M
ability; at the graduate school level, the gender differences were even larger in the top quarter than in the bottom quarter of the top 1%

I don't know where she gets that based upon the evidence presented in her paper. I may be missing another publication where the evidence was presented. I'm also a little uncomfortable with the apples and oranges comparison here: Her conclusions about graduate school are based upon a completely different measure than SAT-M, and the calibration between the two has not been specified. The result makes a good story.

I continue to dig.



#14169: Jan Theodore Galkowski — 01/23  at  12:38 AM
I don’t know where she gets that based upon the evidence presented in her paper.

That could have been said better. Where she gets it is simply by counting the relative numbers of men and women who get into the top quarter of the top 1% of SAT-M. That's it.

There's an awful lot of weight being put on SAT-M there in increasingly high performance categories. What's the variance of a single SAT-M score? It would be nice to have an independently confirming measure.



#14176: — 01/23  at  02:50 AM
No, it isn’t, period. How come amongst animals (particularly mammals) it is generally the females who are primarily if not exclusively involved in caring for their offspring? Do you really think that this evolutionary history has had no effect on humans at all?

These are social roles determined by evolutionary factors that are no longer applicable. The human body and mind are perfectly adapted to a hunter-gatherer lifestyle. In a complex society, giving birth no longer has to make you the caretaker of the family.



#14178: — 01/23  at  06:19 AM
social roles determined by evolutionary factors that are no longer applicable How old is current "complex" society? Venerable antediluvians like me tend to resist abrupt changes, such as your radical discarding of 4 - 5 million years of human evolution. Lets wait a little more...



#14181: — 01/23  at  07:19 AM
PZ:

I’m new as well. Could I just go back a little? Much of this discussion, though valuable in itself, is irrelevant to the Summers case. He was talking, not about the whole range of differences between genders but about the paucity of women in top jobs at Harvard – jobs that he and his audience no doubt regard as selecting out the best and brightest, those who ought therefore to be at the top of the score range in texts of mathematical ability. Summers cited research that might be relevant to that issue.

Might be. Bear with me if I briefly recap.(It’s partly that I want to demonstrate that I’m paying attention.) Tests of mathematical ability may not capture all the cognitive requirements for the higher achievements in maths. (BTW it would be helpful to know which tests and their reliability and validity, in particular their predictive ability.) Jan Galtowski’s statistical points are outside my competence, but they look checkable and worth checking. Then again, supposing there were innate differences, they don’t look anywhere like large enough when set against the acknowledged environmental barriers. (It was good to have the MIT study’s conclusions to reaffirm those.) And so on.

Now to business. PZ’s starting piece has this.

People weren’t irate because Summers presented a tentative hypothesis, but because Summers, an administrator with much clout in hiring and firing, presented a badly formed hypothesis with no evidence to support it, that contradicted what we know about the complexity of biology, and he misrepresented it as the result of current, “cutting-edge research.


Has PZ a transcript? The available accounts of the meeting don’t indicate to me we have any such precise knowledge. By omission, PZ distorts the context. Summers cited research avowedly to be provocative; he did that together with advancing several other possible reasons for the phenomenon. If it is the role of a chair to stir, he stirred.

What has outraged me (and others) is not what Summers did or didn’t do. It is the response of one Professor in particular, others who spoke out later, and the committee at Harvard that got together to denounce their president. If in a private meeting – it was the breathless Professor who alerted the Press – a research finding cannot be put up for discussion, where the hell are we? And those who think Summers must take responsibility for saying something the Press can distort need to think about the costs of such a strict consequentialism. Can anything at all be said anywhere that New York Post journalists can’t morph into garbage?

These were not powerless women. They were senior Professors amongst whom surely there was sufficient expertise to respond to Summers as some have done here. That would have been, in my view (as in Pinker’s) the right thing to do in as university gathering. That it has come to this suggests yet again that SOME feminists are now in the grip of a dogmatic belief system of a markedly theological character. Their motto might well be ‘They that touch pitch shall be defiled.’

BTW on women and child-rearing. Sociological studies in the UK indicate that about 1/3 of women wish to stay home with their children and not to have other occupations, 1/3 want to get back to work fast and 1/3 mix-and-match, cut-and-paste and generally muddle along. I was relieved to hear another paid-up father make the point that it ain’t that simple. It ain’t – and the issues it raises are urgent and complicated. As feminist issues, however, they don’t appeal to the high theologians of the movement, because from their point of view, 2/3 of existing women had just damn well get their act together and get back to work.



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#14187: Jan Theodore Galkowski — 01/23  at  11:29 AM
We're into spoof-land already, folks.



#14192: — 01/23  at  01:25 PM
<blockquote>How old is current “complex” society? Venerable antediluvians like me tend to resist abrupt changes, such as your radical discarding of 4 - 5 million years of human evolution. Lets wait a little more…</blockquote.

Maybe venerable antediluvians like yourself should take a look at the past 200-300 years worth of social changes and take a shot at explaining just what core aspects of societies as disparate as England in the 1750's and California in 2005 can be explained by heart-warming tales of the savannah.
Social change has been too total and too fast to be explained purely or even primarily by reference to just-so stories of human evolution. Evolution and biological differences undoubtedly play a part in who we are (although the complexity of gene-environment interactions and the like makes that part extremely difficult to tease out) but trying to explain complex social phenomena in terms of evolutionary psychology requires a profound ignorance of history.



#14204: Jan Theodore Galkowski — 01/23  at  04:11 PM
So, isn't it the case that since Dr Summers has himself said he was wrong that it is pretty much closed?



#14220: — 01/24  at  12:16 AM
Alon was saying that human evolution is irrelevant, thanks to radical social change in the last 250 years. I think ten generations (in England, making up some 1% of humanity. For the rest of us, modernity is much more recent) are too early to change basic human features. Regarding history, I just finished reading The Life of Alexander by Plutarch, and the people 2500 years ago seem to me the same as today. There is even a Macedonian killed by overeating Persian "junk" food.



#14221: — 01/24  at  12:41 AM
Jan, Summers' recantation under intimidation is unconvincing. “I made a big mistake, and I was wrong,” Summers told the Faculty Standing Committee on Women. I may believe in his sincerity after a "course" in a re-education camp.



#14223: — 01/24  at  07:22 AM
Summers' apology was perhaps an inescapable duty as President of an institution that depends on goodwill (e.g. from donors). But as worded, it's sending all the wrong messages.

Here's something Summers might have included - and I'd ask Nancy Hopkins to embroider it. It's part of the New York Council of Civil Liberty's submission on the Massad case at Columbia, & I've lifted it from the Leiter Report.

. . . the right of students to an appropriate learning environment does not immunize them from ideas that they find provocative or disturbing or even offensive. Students can expect to be treated with respect. They cannot expect that their views and opinions will be unchallenged. And they cannot expect that their professors will trim the cut of their convictions so as not to offend the sensibilities of their students. The notion of a system of free expression embraces the commitment to speech that is wide-open, unfettered and robust. Such robust expression requires that teachers and students alike must remain persons "of fortitude able to thrive in a hardy climate." Craig v. Harney, 331 U.S. 367, 376 (1947).

Oh but oh, when one of their number takes offence, Professors in solemn conclave can trim their convictions till there's nothing left.



#14224: — 01/24  at  07:22 AM
jaimoto said:
I think ten generations (in England, making up some 1% of humanity. For the rest of us, modernity is much more recent) are too early to change basic human features.

This is precisely the point I was making- the time period is far too short to be sufficient to allow for major biological\evolutionary change, yet there have been massive changes in everything from mortality rates to gender relations. Given that you accept that biology is a largely static variable then you need to explain how these critical underlying features of humanity can cause two such divergent situations as 18th Century England and 21st Century California.
Although we have the same basic substance (people with broadly similar biological make-up) we get profoundly different results as a consequence of technological and social change; to try and explain the end point (human behaviours) purely by reference to the starting material (the body) without considering the processes (modern pedagogy, fast food, beauty culture etc.) that act on it in the meantime seems absurd. How do you explain the existence of healthy modern adults who had holes in their hearts as children without reference to modern medical technology? Similary, how do you explain the simple fact of female inclusion at university (ignoring differential participation for the moment) without reference to the struggles that were required to get those institutions to give up their discriminatory policies? It's just bizarre to focus on biology to the exclusion of other possibilities particularly when there is such a long history of people saying 'biology shows us that educating women will cause uterine shrinkage, or their brains will get too hot etc.' and then having those biological contentions proved so spectacularly wrong and so obviously self-serving attempts to use biological rhetoric to preserve entrenched social divisions and discrimination. If nothing else, the history of those arguments should give you pause before you trot them out so simplistically.
Finally, although I am not a specialist by any means, the simple conception of brain\body\genes being part of a unidirectional causal process is, as I understand things, not a very convincing one. For example, brain structure influences behaviour, which influences brain structure and so in in a mutually influencing fashion. To talk about simple biologically determined behaviours seems pretty problematic given the evidence of emerging environment-biology interactions (including gene-environment interactions.)



#14231: Jan Theodore Galkowski — 01/24  at  10:27 AM
Jan, Summers’ recantation under intimidation is unconvincing. “I made a big mistake, and I was wrong,” Summers told the Faculty Standing Committee on Women. I may believe in his sincerity after a “course” in a re-education camp.

Unconvincing or not, the operational effect is the same. Sorry, that's often what matters.

I can't really address what should or should not be done or said in academic circles, since I'm not qualified to be one. I am pretty familiar with academia, because of my background, and I am involved in this case, as I am a Harvard Parent, Class of 2008 (Harvard's title, not mine).

What has increasingly surprised me about the affair is how politically inastute Dr Summers appears to be. The presidency of a major university has got to be one of the hottest political seats on the planet. While reading about this case and Dr Summers background, apparently he has a reputation of being a bull-in-the-china-shop kind of persona.

While you may have your doubts about his sincerity, I have my doubts that, as he now claims, he never really thought women might be less suited in these subjects, at least in a statistical sense. If he was saying something so controversial with foresight, why did he speak off the record? There should have been a prepared statement so there was no doubt as to what he did or did not say. I can only think he was rushed in it, didn't think it all that important, or did not want to be pinned down as to saying any particular thing. Otherwise he should have "held his tongue", even if that's what he thought. Dr Summers is not just another professor on the faculty and I would be far more sympathetic towards him if he were and would have greater agreement with people who feel he is being singled out for punishment. He's the president of an important university and has far greater responsibility in that role.

Dr Benbow herself reports that her 1980 article in Science created a media firestorm on the subject. If Dr Summers was unaware of this, he couldn't have read much on it, thought he was immunized, or simply blundered into it as seems to be his habit. None of these reasons are really grounds to be very impressed with him, either as a university president or as an academic. That's my unqualified opinion since I don't have the credentials, but I have to and want to care.

You also gotta understand that this kind of attitude affects women who are highly talented and have credentials who put the men working with them to shame. A talented MIT-educated engineer I know who happens to be a woman walked into a more senior engineer's office in her first six months at IBM and was asked to get him coffee. I would say that fortunately today he would have his balls cut off and handed him on a plate if he said that.



#14244: Jan Theodore Galkowski — 01/24  at  02:02 PM
Amity Shlaes offers a different opinion, certainly disagreeing with my own, from her perch atop the Financial Times.



#14285: — 01/25  at  01:34 AM
Jan, thanks for sharing your thoughts on Summers. I am a bit surprised that you made no reference to my "proposal" of sending him to a re-education camp. It seems to be given that university professors have to be "astute" i.e. voice only vox populi. But academic leaders should be given some degree of liberty. As for the subject matter, sexism, sure it exists. When I was a child, adults spoke about "war between the sexes", and that women must be trained to assume their place. Later I found that women dedicated to science and ready to work 60 hours weeks, reached similar or higher positions than their male colleagues. They all lamented having no children. Ergo, sexism is a social and not an intellectual capability issue. Summers, if the confused accounts of what he actually said are true, seems to have stated more or less the same.

Now, Leah, you put in my mouth declarations such as "biology shows us that educating women will cause uterine shrinkage, or their brains will get too hot etc." and then, you refute me. ¡Está muy buenísimo!



#14292: — 01/25  at  06:29 AM
Alon was saying that human evolution is irrelevant, thanks to radical social change in the last 250 years.

Actually, some evolutionary features have already been all but excised. Murder is part of nature. Animals kill other animals, often of the same species. It's a universal ethical rule found in all human societies that murder is taboo. In the West there's marriage by love, a concept that is alien to other species. Even the warmongers pay lip service to peace among humans, even though war is common practice in any other species.

Later I found that women dedicated to science and ready to work 60 hours weeks, reached similar or higher positions than their male colleagues.

This is not true. There still is widespread discrimination against women, even those who work the same 80-hour workweeks. Glass ceilings still exist and make no distinction between women who work in large groups and try to be mothers at the same time and women who compete and put their career first.

I think ten generations (in England, making up some 1% of humanity. For the rest of us, modernity is much more recent) are too early to change basic human features.

That depends on what you consider basic human features. Things like greed and groupthink are probably here to stay forever. Sexism, on the other hand, can vanish among the young in 20 years with a proper environment, such as an extensive child care system that takes pressure off women in child-rearing. The greatest transformation that needs to take place is cultural, but there are ways to induce such a transformation.



#14301: Jan Theodore Galkowski — 01/25  at  10:19 AM
I am a bit surprised that you made no reference to my “proposal” of sending him to a re-education camp.

jaimito, I think Dr Summers is being rapidly "re-educated" as we speak: devolution of power.



#14372: — 01/26  at  12:12 AM
Only a Faustian bargain can save me now, thought Prof. Summers, and he made one.



#14780: — 01/30  at  07:19 PM
That depends on what you consider basic human features. Things like greed and groupthink are probably here to stay forever. Sexism, on the other hand, can vanish among the young in 20 years with a proper environment, such as an extensive child care system that takes pressure off women in child-rearing. The greatest transformation that needs to take place is cultural, but there are ways to induce such a transformation.

What a moron. "Oh, it's all socially constructed." Blah blah blah. It is insane to think that millions of years of evolution are irrelevant, or can simply be erased by social conventions. BTW, a major factor that has reduced things like racism and sexism is technology. Do you really think that racism or sexism would have been significantly attenuated without modern advances in technology and the great increase in available resources that has come with it? So it is not so much "society" that erases various tensions as much as it is greater resources. Why start inciting hatred against your neighboring tribe when you're already living the high life?



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