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Sunday, May 01, 2005

So stupid, he'll probably be president someday

That blockhead, Tom Cruise, has been peddling his loony cult, Scientology, for years now. This interview in Spiegel Online is enlightening both for showing what an earnest kook Cruise is, and for the amazing spectacle of a critical press. When was the last time you saw a reporter with the guts to disagree with a big star?

The reporter is asking about a Scientology tent Cruise had set up while filming his latest movie.

SPIEGEL: The tent of a sect at someone's working place still seems somewhat strange to us. Mr. Spielberg, did that tent strike you as unusual?

Spielberg: I saw it as an information tent. No one was compelled to frequent it, but it was available for anybody who had an open mind and was curious about someone else's belief system.

Cruise:The volunteer Scientology ministers were there to help the sick and injured. People on the set appreciated that. I have absolutely nothing against talking about my beliefs. But I do so much more. We live in a world where people are on drugs forever. Where even children get drugged. Where crimes against humanity are so extreme that most people turn away in horror and dismay. Those are the things that I care about. I don't care what someone believes. I don't care what nationality they are. But if someone wants to get off drugs, I can help them. If someone wants to learn how to read, I can help them. If someone doesn't want to be a criminal anymore, I can give them tools that can better their life. You have no idea how many people want to know what Scientology is.

Scientology ministers on site to help the sick and injured? That's just quackery.

Here's the best part of the interview, I think:

SPIEGEL: Do you see it as your job to recruit new followers for Scientology?

Cruise: I'm a helper. For instance, I myself have helped hundreds of people get off drugs. In Scientology, we have the only successful drug rehabilitation program in the world. It's called Narconon.

SPIEGEL: That's not correct. Yours is never mentioned among the recognized detox programs. Independent experts warn against it because it is rooted in pseudo science.

Cruise: You don't understand what I am saying. It's a statistically proven fact that there is only one successful drug rehabilitation program in the world. Period.

SPIEGEL: With all due respect, we doubt that. Mr. Cruise, you made studio executives, for example from Paramount, tour Scientology's "Celebrity Center" in Hollywood. Are you trying to extend Scientology's influence in Hollywood?

Cruise: I just want to help people. I want everyone to do well.

Whoa. A skeptic in the press…I'm impressed. How refreshing!

Here is a brief rundown on Narconon. It's a scam.

This is a more detailed testimonial.

The main reason Narconon goes to such lengths to get graduates to work for their program, however, is because that is the tool Narconon uses to funnel money and people in to the Church of Scientology. Staff members who wish to earn more than $50/week must take "training courses" at the local Church of Scientology facilities. Rather than receiving training in drug and alcohol rehabilitation, substance abuse treatment or other such fields, Narconon staff members take regular Church of Scientology courses for which Narconon pays thousands of dollars to the Church of Scientology. Staff members must buy textbooks and pay for Church of Scientology auditing courses, as well as the "e-meters" that are used in these auditing sessions. I refused to take these Church of Scientology courses and requested permission to take courses at a local community college instead. I received open and outright contempt and pressure for choosing to take non-Scientology courses because I did not play in to their financial schemes of raising money for Scientology. The financial records I had access to as a staff member made obvious and evident the fact that of the $22,000 clients pay for so-called "treatment" at Narconon, more than half of that money goes to the Church of Scientology either directly, or through the Scientology-run Association for Better Living and Education (ABLE), which owns the trademark to Narconon. Notice that ABLE's official address is 6331 Hollywood Boulevard, Los Angeles, CA 90028. The Church of Scientology headquarters' address is also 6331 Hollywood Boulevard, Los Angeles, CA 90028. Narconon clients pay money for their "treatment", and these moneys are used to send staff members to the Church of Scientology for "training". The Church of Scientology wins on two fronts: hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in course fees as well as new recruits in the form of Narconon graduates turned staff members turned new Scientology church members.

Everything I've read about Cruise leaves me feeling that he's just not a very smart guy. This is more confirmation.

(via TalkLeft)


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Comments:
's avatar #23533: PZ Myers — 05/01  at  08:42 AM
And before anyone mentions it, I know that Germany has had a hard-on for prosecuting scientology, which makes it much easier for the press to be critical of it.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#23534: craig — 05/01  at  09:02 AM
One of my city's free alternative weeklies, the Buffalo Beast, has made headlines recently trying to get sued by Cruise, calling him an idiot and worse. Funny stuff. The latest issue is devoted to him:
http://www.buffalobeast.com/

It's a rude, un-PC rag, so be forewarned.



#23538: Mutant Cat — 05/01  at  09:31 AM
"It's a statistically proven fact that there is only one successful drug rehabilitation program in the world. Period."

Is he high or what? Where the evidence for this outrageous claim?



#23558: heinrich — 05/01  at  10:29 AM
It's mainly b/c Scientology is on the one hand a for-profit corporation that owes German taxes and on the other hand a socalled church.

Either way, Spiegel is definitely one of the better sources of news!



#23571: — 05/01  at  11:42 AM
PZ, how *dare* you doubt the power of the Body Thetans!

I was dumb enough to sign my name to a Scientology mailing list in the late 70's. It took over a year to get them to stop sending these huge mailings every week.

What a sad bunch of people.



's avatar #23580: PZ Myers — 05/01  at  01:09 PM
When I was in high school, my brother and I made the mistake of taking one of their "tests" for a lark. My brother made the bigger mistake, though, because he gave a real address; I didn't.

For at least ten years, he was still getting junk mail from the scientologists.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#23581: Orac — 05/01  at  01:21 PM
Scientology is one of the biggest purveyors of quackery in the world today. No other organization that I'm aware of even comes close.

--
Orac “A statement of fact cannot be insolent.”
http://oracknows.blogspot.com



#23595: — 05/01  at  03:33 PM
Loony, sure, but really not any loonier than (most) other religions, including the ones more popular than Scientology.



#23611: — 05/01  at  05:27 PM
That "Beast" thing is off the hook! The cover is hilarious! Great linkage, Craig!

http://www.buffalobeast.com
http://www.buffalobeast.com/73/feature6.htm



Trackback: Tom Cruise: Drug Crusader Tracked on: TalkLeft: The Politics of Crime (63.247.129.126) at 2005 05 01 13:04:52
In the U.S., Tom Cruise makes headlines because he's found a new girlfriend, a 26 year old actress named Katie Holmes. In Europe, at least in Germany, the headline is that Cruise has brought Scientology onto the movie set of...



#23617: scott pilutik — 05/01  at  06:15 PM
As far as Narconon goes, the best two sites are http://www-2.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/Narconon/ (Narconon Exposed)&
http://stop-narconon.org/ (Stop Narconon), both collaborative efforts by CMU computer-science professor Dave Tourtezky and British historian Chris Owen (author of the excellent Ron the War Hero). Besides Narconon, Scientology inflicts itself on the education as well - see http://studytech.org (which I personally had a hand in).

I'd have far less of a problem with Scientology if it kept away from education, drug treatment, criminal rehabilitation (criminon), and psychiatry (citizen's commission on human rights). Becuae most people have the good sense to stay the hell away from Scientology. The problem arises when people who need help join what they think are secular programs only to find themselves knee deep in a UFO cult bullshit months later. Scientology is smart enough to keep the real lunacy out of the picture until your frog is pretty well boiled and they've got a tight grip on your credit card.

Scientology makes frequent allusions to its religious status when it suits them (usually when they're screeching about intolerance - intolerance, btw, is 'any criticism whatsoever') - but when it's pointed out that these same programs are also 'religious', they quickly employ a double-standard, arguing that these programs, which use the identical 'L Ron Hubbard Technology[tm]' as is used in the 'Church', are secular. And they too often get away with it because most people have a judeo-christian notion of what consitutes 'religious' and Scientology doesn't fit.

I'm fine with them calling themselves a religion. I think the sooner we defang the notion that religions are inherently benign, the sooner we can address real problems in the world. Not that I'm holdling my breath these days though. But I'm not fine with Scientology's 501(3)(c) tax exempt status, where the test isn't 'religiosity' (as most people assume) bur rather 'charitability'. They act particularly vicious towards critics and anyone that tries to leave their cult and their allegedly charitable acts are nothing more than self-promotion stunts.



#23619: — 05/01  at  06:26 PM
PZ: "Everything I've read about Cruise leaves me feeling that he's just not a very smart guy. This is more confirmation."

I've read in different places that the best actors are those which are less smart. An actor has to turn himself or herself into an "empty slate". That's easier if there isn't much going on upstairs.

Which makes it all the more difficult to understand how actors and other celebrities seem to have as much influence as they do.



#23648: — 05/02  at  06:08 AM
Scientology has also run a vicous anti-psychiatry campaign for many decades; whereas it's tenets are really just basic pop psychology junk science. All that "space battle in space" Operation Thetan looney tunes is just beyond belief. Well for a reasoned person anyway. I am frankly of the belief that the whole religion must be the result of a drunken bet between Heinlein and Hubbard. And we all know who was the better SF writer anyway.

But in relation to this blog, I found the following question the most relevant.


Spiegel: Do you think "War of the Worlds" is a religious movie? H.G. Wells praised the wisdom of the creator for creating even bacteria, because in his story the microbes are the ones who finally finish off the aliens. The 1953 movie version even moved the final showdown inside a church.



#23668: — 05/02  at  09:48 AM
And before anyone mentions it, I know that Germany has had a hard-on for prosecuting scientology, which makes it much easier for the press to be critical of it.


Scientology has misrepresented the case (great surprise, eh?). What happened was that Sciencetology lost their status as a religious organization, and had to pay taxes. They felt this was religous prosecution, and even had the nerve to associate it with the Holocaust.



#23674: tim gueguen — 05/02  at  10:44 AM
It was interesting to read in the TalkLeft entry that Cruise is dating Katie Holmes, and that Holmes is 26.To me at least she still looks like a teenager. I din't think Cruise liked 'em young, or young looking in any case.



#23675: — 05/02  at  11:03 AM
I suppose this would be as good a time as any to share http://www.xenu.net.I'd be willing to bet that most of you probably know some of the stuff there already, but it's good to share. Read http://www.xenu.net/archive/OTIII-scholar/ and http://xenu.net/clam_faq.html especially, for either a good laugh at the batshit insanity of L. Ron Hubbard or a long bout of crying at the fact that people actually believed him.



#23679: — 05/02  at  12:43 PM
From my favorite news site:

"Cruise, Tom. Oh, definitely not a Friend Of Dorothy. Why would you ever think such a thing? No, certainly not. And he definitely doesn't force his gay lovers to sign lengthy non-disclosure contracts before he gets involved with them; that's just a vile, untrue rumor started to bring shame on this quite emphatically heterosexual movie star. Certainly not someone who has and enjoys sex with lots of men. One would never hear Mr. Cruise described as "awkward and inarticulate" when speaking without a script, and certainly never hear him described as "vain, shallow, and pretentious." No, certainly not--the reverse is true of Mr. Cruise! $cientologist. Vain & arrogant. Never graduated from high school. Acted badly towards Nicole Kidman during their break-up, which was caused partially by his insistence on raising the kids $cientologist (she wanted them raised Catholic) and partially because of her pregnancy, which may have been his and may have been Ewan McGregor's. Broke up with Nicole via his representatives. (Cruise, you swine.) Linked with Patricia Arquette, Cher, Penelope Cruz, Rebecca De Mornay, Nelly Furtado, Anthony Hopkins, Nicole Kidman, Heather Locklear, Paul Newman, Lisa Marie Presley, and Mimi Rogers."

(I think Smoking Gun may have a copy of one of the non-disclosure agreements.)

One of the things you can buy if you have enough money is the absence of challenges to your world view, but obviously that sort of self-indulgence appeals primarily to the intellectually dishonest. Cruise seems to have gone that way, but it's also a huge accomplishment of the Right over the last couple of decades to have made its completely blinkered view of itself--formerly available mostly to the wealthy--accessable to the intellectually dishonest of more modest means.



#23686: — 05/02  at  01:27 PM
I wouldn't mind Scientology so much if only it didn't have an army of lawyers to sue people for defamation, like the Cult Awareness network which Scientoligy sued into oblivion then bought the name and logo and now runs the New Cult Awarness Network. Unlike the old CAN which considered Scientology a cult, the new Can doesn't, they teach people that brainweashing is immpossible and reprogramming is wrong. Check out their webpage with it's many many Scientology links(look under " A helpful list of Factual Religious Sites ")

http://www.cultawarenessnetwork.org/

Thank God there is no Predatory Pyramid Scheme Awarness Network because by now Scientology would own that too.



#23687: — 05/02  at  01:49 PM
http://web.archive.org/web/20011030105852/http://www.newtimesla.com/issues/1999-09-09/feature.html

I forgot to link this artice from the newtimesla about Scientology and the CAN.



#23740: flea — 05/02  at  08:37 PM
Scott P. pointed this out, but I think this was a really telling part of that interview:

SPIEGEL: There is a difference between hate and having a critical perspective.

Cruise: For me, it's connected with intolerance.



#23764: — 05/03  at  06:28 AM
For all my cynicism I still have enough faith in US journalism to believe that a US reporter would have rejected Cruise's claim about Narconon. It's just too absurd to let pass.



#26901: — 06/02  at  10:30 AM
I have been reading up on Scientology, and I have to agree these people are complete loons. Apparently they beleive an evil overlord named Xemu brought a bunch of extraterestrials here after freezing their bodies a billion years ago in order to fix the galaxys overpopulation problem. Then he tied them all to a volcano after dethawing them and blew them all up with hydrogen bombs. Where the hell do they get this crap? First off that seems like alot of trouble to go through to kill off a bunch of people. I mean freezing them, flying them across the galaxy, and then using a hydrogen bomb. Sounds like a waste of time and resources to me. Why not just shoot them in the head. And what proof do they have of this? At least with other religions there are scrolls and text that are thousands of years old, and historical evidence to back them up. Scientology has nothing backing it up. Its just a bunch of crap that L. Ron Hubbard thought up while sitting on the john. I think he is having a good laugh at all the people who are dumb enough to beleive in all this garbage, all the way to the bank.



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