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Thursday, October 27, 2005

Suddenly, I appreciate my kids a little more

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"I want some motherfuckin' chocolate milk!"

Jebus. Watch this video of a kid playing some violent video game. It's not so much the game that bothers me as the kid's attitude—he's got a headset on and is screaming at his mother to wait on him. Man, if one of my kids had ever tried to pull some stunt like this, they would not have had any video games. Ever. The X-box would have been in the trash can. I can't even imagine any of my kids being this pushy, greedy, arrogant, and rude.

Don't watch it if you have kids of your own—this stuff is like nails on a blackboard to a parent. Well, any parent other than the kind in the recording, that is.

(via Stupid Evil Bastard)


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Comments:
#45696: — 10/27  at  03:30 PM
Thats nuts. If that was my kid I'd break the disk over his head, donate the Xbox, and ban him to his room.. which is why I don't got kids smile

I'd half blame the mother for letting it get that bad, that was terrible. I hope that kid heard himself over the internet so he knows how he sounds.

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#45697: — 10/27  at  03:37 PM
Yes. I haven't seen it yet, being at work, but with that in mind, based on the description and assuming it isn't staged (if you have any idea of what "Leeeeroy Jenkins!" is, you'll know what I mean): HEAVY parental discipline is in order there.

And, for the record: I'm very much an adult, would describe myself as a heavy gamer, and that is SO not us. We only use that language with each other. ;) But seriously, that just isn't normal. This is why we cringe at the public image of gamers and pick fights with Jack Thompson. This little puke isn't helping matters.



#45698: — 10/27  at  03:41 PM
So looks like Cartman got himself an XBox.



's avatar #45701: Les — 10/27  at  04:02 PM
I dunno. Cartman seems to treat his mother much better than this little brat does.

"Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes, and wishes he was certain." - Mark Twain, Notebook, 1879.
Stupid Evil Bastard



#45703: — 10/27  at  04:11 PM
There was a great commercial a few years back with a bratty kid who is playing a video game and his parents come in the room and the kid gives them the "stop sign" and says "Talk to the hand."

Too funny.



#45705: charlie wagner — 10/27  at  04:22 PM
Paul wrote:

"I can't even imagine any of my kids being this pushy, greedy, arrogant, and rude."

As a teacher for 33 years I can say with great confidence that in most cases the branch doesn't fall far from the tree.

We reap what we sow.



#45709: — 10/27  at  04:38 PM
My 9-year old plays GameCube games and online stuff, maybe even a little excessively. But he knows to keep doing so, he has to do his homework, be courteous to his mom and me, act right at school, and generally be a good kid. Frankly, game privileges are pretty good leverage on the very rare occasion he wants to act out...



#45711: Mikko Sandt — 10/27  at  04:54 PM
The mother should learn not to disturb the kid when he's playing. Playing, which is just as important as any other useless hobby, requires all your attention and parents should learn not to nag about things they don't even understand. Think of trying to focus on something you think is important while someone who doesn't understand shit about your hobby disturbs you all the time.



#45716: — 10/27  at  05:30 PM
Slightly off topic, but the kid is really a bad shot, too.



#45717: — 10/27  at  05:31 PM
Wow that is one rude kid. Sounds real to me. Leeeeroy Jenkins is still funny even if staged! wink Wait til someone like O'Reilly gets ahold of this and wants to ban online gaming so some other nonsense. Should we start a whole nature vs. nurture argument about children's behavior?



#45722: — 10/27  at  06:24 PM
Oompa loompa oompity doo . . .



#45723: — 10/27  at  06:36 PM
That was the most horrendously unpleasant thing I've witnessed in quite some time. What the f*ck is his mother doing? (Or not doing.)

The mother should learn not to disturb the kid when he's playing.

Jebus, I hope you're kidding. If my daughter ever talked to me like that she'd get her xbox taken away til she was 18 and she wouldn't be able to do anything else fun for at least two months. To start.



#45724: — 10/27  at  06:38 PM
Slightly off topic, but the kid is really a bad shot, too

To be honest, he is kind of busy screaming abuse at his mom...



#45725: — 10/27  at  06:43 PM
It is hillarious. All you need is a sequel screen that comes up and says - Next time consider using a condom..."



#45730: — 10/27  at  06:59 PM
It is hillarious. All you need is a sequel screen that comes up and says - Next time consider using a condom..."

Wasn't there a European ad for birth control like that making the rounds of the internet a couple years ago? I seem to recall some mother in a grocery store with some horrid little monster in tow screaming abuse.



#45732: Mikko Sandt — 10/27  at  07:04 PM
Jebus, I hope you're kidding. If my daughter ever talked to me like that she'd get her xbox taken away til she was 18 and she wouldn't be able to do anything else fun for at least two months. To start.

Maybe this mother should've been smart enough to realize that the kid is playing online which pretty much means "do not disturb". Mother's authority over her children doesn't justify idiotism.



#45738: — 10/27  at  07:23 PM
I've not loaded it (I'm stuck on a 33k dialup - please pity), but.. I can't help but suspect there's more to this than "violent games". Do we see footage of this kid *away* from the game? I have this feeling that this kid gets whatever he wants, when he wants it - he's spoilt, and that he's like this regardless of whether he's playing KillFrenzy Rampage III, or walking through the toy department of a Wal-Mart.



#45743: — 10/27  at  07:46 PM
Maybe this mother should've been smart enough to realize that the kid is playing online which pretty much means "do not disturb". Mother's authority over her children doesn't justify idiotism

Please promise not to have kids.



#45746: pdf23ds — 10/27  at  08:28 PM
I have to jump in to defend the kid here. When goes to one of those online sessions, he's making a fairly serious commitment to the others in his team that he's going to play and finish playing. It's incredibly frustrating to have to deal with a parent that shows absolutely no respect for the commitments he's made to his teammates. Parents often don't understand just how important these games can be to the children. They expect that the child will be able to simply drop the game at any time, and if they don't that they're being "pushy, greedy, arrogant, and rude". But in reality--oftentime--either the kid is fulfilling commitments he's made to others in an online game or he's in a situation where if he were to immediately drop the game he'd lose hours or days of effort. These relationships and commitments just don't seem real to the parent, even though they're very real to the child, so they don't know to respect them. This can lead to conflicts like in the linked video. The parents say "it's just a game", and the kids feel denigrated and belittled besides the immediate disappointment and frustration and even embarrassment.

The parents' needs can be met perfectly well by always making it clear beforehand what times are available to the child for this sort of recreation, and perhaps setting some soft time limits on it so that the parent is ensured enough of the child's time to do chores and such.

I'm sure that this particular family is pretty dysfunctional in many ways, but I know that in this particular situation, without more background, the blame can be placed mainly on the mother.



#45748: — 10/27  at  08:52 PM
You guys defending the kid are out of your mind. Imagine what that kid's teacher has to put up with.

It is the mother's fault. The first "shit" would have been enough to have me simply pull the plug and smash the X-Box. I have two kids... my son plays on-line games... it is not a "disease". It is a social game. Yes the language gets rough. Sometimes I have to quiet him down, but to other family members???
I do not accept that the game suspends the rules of the house. The #1 rule is that we all treat each other with dignity and respect. You don't have to agree. You don't have to love me. We all, WITHOUT EXCEPTION, treat each other with dignity and respect.
All other discussions start from there. Period.



's avatar #45750: Les — 10/27  at  09:03 PM
pdf23ds writes...
I have to jump in to defend the kid here. When goes to one of those online sessions, he's making a fairly serious commitment to the others in his team that he's going to play and finish playing.


I'm sorry, but there's nothing about such a commitment that in any way justifies the abuse this kid is giving his mother. I'm a 38 year old gamer myself and I have a 15 year old daughter who also plays online games pretty heavily and there's no way in hell my kid would ever think to speak to me like that, commitment or no commitment. Which isn't to say that we don't bump heads over a game from time to time, but nothing on this scale in part because my kid has her priorities straight and in part because she knows it's a fast-track to not being able to make any such commitments again for a very long time.

"Religion consists in a set of things which the average man thinks he believes, and wishes he was certain." - Mark Twain, Notebook, 1879.
Stupid Evil Bastard



#45754: — 10/27  at  09:28 PM
A fairly serious commitment? Nonsense. It's a fricken video game. Yes, I've played counterstrike online, etc... so don't tell me I don't understand.

It's a game. Period. Fun to play, but if it ever becomes so important to you that your "clan" gets more respect than your mother, if it ever becomes something that you would actually use the words "serious" and "commitment" in reference to, then you need to turn the damned thing off and take a very close look at yourself.



#45757: Jason Malloy — 10/27  at  09:47 PM
Wasn't there a European ad for birth control like that making the rounds of the internet a couple years ago?

Yeah, that was a good one.

Here's <a href=http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1442/use_condoms>the video</a>, by the way. Which I might add, is much funnier when you're not expecting the punchline.



#45760: Jason Bock — 10/27  at  10:04 PM
Kids like this are rampant in online games. I gave up playing Halo2 online because there are so many 12-year-old asshats who think they can say whatever they want because they're physically not next to you. It's a game, and it's meant to be fun, and sadly kids don't understand that it's just that: a video game.



#45770: — 10/28  at  12:20 AM
There are days when I wonder what ever happened to reality.

RBH



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