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Tuesday, December 20, 2005

Thank you, Michael Behe

Michael Behe has previously commented on his testimony in the Kitzmiller trial. He felt good about it; in fact, he thought it was exhilarating and fun.

I haven't the foggiest idea how the Judge will rule, but I think we got to show a lot of people that ID is a very serious idea.

Hmmmm…I wonder, what did the judge think of his testimony? Do you think there might be a way to, you know, find out?

Let's look in his decision for references to Behe! As it turns out, we owe a debt of gratitude to the good doctor of ID for the invaluable assistance of his testimony.

Here are a few choice quotes from Judge Jones' decision that specifically cite Behe's testimony.

Dr. Haught testified that this argument for the existence of God was advanced early in the 19th century by Reverend Paley and defense expert witnesses Behe and Minnich admitted that their argument for ID based on the "purposeful arrangement of parts" is the same one that Paley made for design.


Moreover, it is notable that both Professors Behe and Minnich admitted their personal view is that the designer is God and Professor Minnich testified that he understands many leading advocates of ID to believe the designer to be God.


Consider, to illustrate, that Professor Behe remarkably and unmistakably claims that the plausibility of the argument for ID depends upon the extent to which one believes in the existence of God.


As no evidence in the record indicates that any other scientific proposition's validity rests on belief in God, nor is the Court aware of any such scientific propositions, Professor Behe's assertion constitutes substantial evidence that in his view, as is commensurate with other prominent ID leaders, ID is a religious and not a scientific proposition.


Stated another way, ID posits that animals did not evolve naturally through evolutionary means but were created abruptly by a non-natural, or supernatural, designer. Defendants' own expert witnesses acknowledged this point.


First, defense expert Professor Fuller agreed that ID aspires to "change the ground rules" of science and lead defense expert Professor Behe admitted that his broadened definition of science, which encompasses ID, would also embrace astrology. Moreover, defense expert Professor Minnich acknowledged that for ID to be considered science, the ground rules of science have to be broadened to allow consideration of supernatural forces.


What is more, defense experts concede that ID is not a theory as that term is defined by the NAS and admit that ID is at best "fringe science" which has achieved no acceptance in the scientific community.


Moreover, cross-examination revealed that Professor Behe's redefinition of the blood-clotting system was likely designed to avoid peer- reviewed scientific evidence that falsifies his argument, as it was not a scientifically warranted redefinition.


We therefore find that Professor Behe's claim for irreducible complexity has been refuted in peer-reviewed research papers and has been rejected by the scientific community at large.


As Plaintiffs aptly submit to the Court, throughout the entire trial only one piece of evidence generated by Defendants addressed the strength of the ID inference: the argument is less plausible to those for whom God's existence is in question, and is much less plausible for those who deny God's existence.


The one article referenced by both Professors Behe and Minnich as supporting ID is an article written by Behe and Snoke entitled "Simulating evolution by gene duplication of protein features that require multiple amino acid residues." (P-721). A review of the article indicates that it does not mention either irreducible complexity or ID. In fact, Professor Behe admitted that the study which forms the basis for the article did not rule out many known evolutionary mechanisms and that the research actually might support evolutionary pathways if a biologically realistic population size were used.

Behe's right. That was fun!

Here's an even more fun part. Behe thought one part of the cross-examination was such a slam dunk for him, that he singled it out for bragging:

The cross examination was fun too, and showed that the other side really does have only rhetoric and bluster. At one point the lawyer for the other side who was cross examining me ostentatiously piled a bunch of papers on the witness stand that putatively had to do with the evolution of the immune system. But it was obvious from a cursory examination that they were more examples of hand waving speculations, which I had earlier discussed in my direct testimony. So I was able to smile and say that they had nothing more to say than the other papers. I then thought to myself, that here the NCSE, ACLU, and everyone in the world who is against ID had their shot to show where we were wrong, and just trotted out more speculation. It actually made me feel real good about things.

Oh, yeah. I can picture Behe waving away a stack of research articles with a supercilious smirk, dazzling the judge with his confidence. How do you think it was interpreted?

In fact, on cross-examination, Professor Behe was questioned concerning his 1996 claim that science would never find an evolutionary explanation for the immune system. He was presented with fifty-eight peer-reviewed publications, nine books, and several immunology textbook chapters about the evolution of the immune system; however, he simply insisted that this was still not sufficient evidence of evolution, and that it was not "good enough."

We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution.

Ouch. Backfire.

This is terribly unseemly. I'm sitting here reading the decision, chortling to myself, when I really do have work to do. But it's so darned good! I feel like I ought to just quote all 139 pages and be done with it!


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Comments:
#54421: — 12/20  at  01:18 PM
I'm left wondering whether Behe was rolling a pair of steel ball bearings as he testified.



#54422: — 12/20  at  01:21 PM
Very much enjoyed your excerpts. thanks for taking the time to do it. 58 articles not enough, hmmm? I'm so glad Judge Jones is as intelligent as he is, that he can see through the smoke and mirrors of ID. And I'm also so glad that he was a Dubya appointee.



#54423: blipey — 12/20  at  01:23 PM
Thank you for not working...fantastic reading; and I get it in cliff notes.

What's even more fun is trying to come up with how the DI can spin Judge Jones's opinion to their favor. The inanities involved in that should be limitless.



#54425: skippy — 12/20  at  01:40 PM
thanks dr. myers for doing the hard work of culling the nuggets from the judge's ruling. god protect us from the god freaks!



#54426: Jeremy — 12/20  at  01:49 PM
Jones deserves more than praise. He deserves to be recognized as a shining star in the legal profession. In a perfect world, he'd be on the shortlist of Supreme Court nominees (but please, let's not threadjack). The science blogosphere has been following this trial for months, and then Jones comes out with his decision and it's all spot in. It's all written so efficiently and perfectly that all of us put together could never have said it in quite the way that he said it. And the way he said it was f*#%ing awesome.



#54427: — 12/20  at  01:51 PM
"The cross examination was fun too, and showed that the other side really does have only rhetoric and bluster" Holy S--t, Behe isn't just delusional, he's DELUSIONAL. Wow. I could actually find it in my heart to feel sorry for a guy who's that far out to lunch. On second thought- naaah, screw him.



#54428: coturnix — 12/20  at  01:52 PM
Thank you. This is a real service to the community.



#54433: — 12/20  at  02:18 PM
http://www.discovery.org/scripts/viewDB/index.php?command=view&id=3107&program=CSC - Views and News

Didn't take the DI long to start their swift-boating of Judge Jones.

Judge Jones got on his soapbox to offer his own views of science, religion, and evolution. He makes it clear that he wants his place in history as the judge who issued a definitive decision about intelligent design. This is an activist judge who has delusions of grandeur."



#54434: — 12/20  at  02:21 PM
<quote>In fact, on cross-examination, Professor Behe was questioned concerning his 1996 claim that science would never find an evolutionary explanation for the immune system. He was presented with fifty-eight peer-reviewed publications, nine books, and several immunology textbook chapters about the evolution of the immune system; however, he simply insisted that this was still not sufficient evidence of evolution, and that it was not "good enough."

We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution.</quote>

I've been making that point for years. We cannot prove today that the immune system or blood clotting systems can even work "naturalistically". Our modelling capabilities are not up to the task.



#54435: — 12/20  at  02:29 PM
If I was Bill Gates, I'd be wondering what the hell good it does to give money to the Discovery Institute right about now.



#54437: Stephen Frug — 12/20  at  02:35 PM
Manual trackback: http://stephenfrug.blogspot.com/2005/12/seeing-through-lies.html -- focusing on the level of lying on the creationist side which Judge Jones's ruling demonstrates.



#54438: — 12/20  at  02:39 PM
Yes, thanks. I know it's evil to gloat, but just a little can't hurt. Poor, poor Dr. Buhu.



#54439: — 12/20  at  02:40 PM
http://www.pamd.uscourts.gov/kitzmiller/jonesbio.htm

Judge Jones was appointed to his current position by President George W. Bush in February, 2002, and was unanimously confirmed by the United States Senate on July 30, 2002



#54440: Jeremy — 12/20  at  02:40 PM
If I was Bill Gates, I'd be wondering what the hell good it does to give money to the Discovery Institute right about now.

Equal opportunity philanthropy? He's got so much that he has to support every view available.

I mean, seriously, the man started his charity with $16 billion and I think he's given at least $75 billion so far. It might be even higher.

I mean goodnees gracious he has a shitload of money.



#54441: — 12/20  at  02:41 PM
Behe's just so transparent. He "had fun". If that were true, would he actually have to tell us? It wouldn't be obvious? He protests far too much that he's not having the ghastly time that the dolt deserves to be having, so I think we have every reason to suspect that his ego is taking a severe bruising.

Anyhow, he was given something of a pass in the past, for various reasons. It's not amusing any more, however. The "cheeriness" is painful and forced (like Berlinski's "humor"), the old handwave at all of the evidence is infantile, and the general obtuseness of the man is appalling.

I love the drubbing given him by the judge. We should give him some sort of token for his awesome role in making the decision go so decidedly and absolutely against Behe's pseudoscience. We really couldn't have as much fun at this as we do sometimes have (today especially) without the ludicrous antics of the DI wizards.



#54442: — 12/20  at  02:42 PM
Maybe dubya will nominate Judge Jones for the Supreme Court vacancy...

Somehow after this ruling I think not.



's avatar #54443: — 12/20  at  02:44 PM
I read with growing delight every one of the 139 pages of Judge Jones's decision. It was as good as I could have possibly imagined, demolishing point by point and witness by witness everything the defendants presented. Of course, the Discovery Institute and the TMLC will say whatever they have to say; but they're dead men walking.



#54445: Molly — 12/20  at  03:22 PM
I also thank you for going through all the decision so we can get the snippets to make it more enticing to read the whole thing. Because you are causing me to want to read the whole thing.

Between waking up to seeing this on the front page of the BBC site to reading your breakdown of it I have just felt so freaking HAPPY today.

You rock. Seriously.



#54447: Levendis — 12/20  at  03:25 PM
Maybe Behe is really one of us. Its hard to imagine any other witness so forcefully demonstrating the pure stupidity of ID.

Or maybe he's really as dumb as he seems...



#54453: — 12/20  at  04:13 PM
The big question is: is it enough to get Behe released from the faculty of science at Lehigh since it has been some years since he's published a scientific paper?



's avatar #54457: PZ Myers — 12/20  at  04:27 PM
No, he's not going to lose his job over this, nor should he.

I don't think he's going to get invited to testify at any creationist trials in the future, though, and I hope his book sales tank.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#54458: — 12/20  at  04:31 PM
Oh MAN, I am supposed to be cramming for two final exams tomorrow and all I can do is sit here and enjoy the show. Thank you so much for posting all this, and to everyone who has contributed so far. This has made my week -- month -- at least! I recently did a paper on ID for a philosophy of science course , and quoted Behe's Dover testimony to help demolish any pretense that ID has to being a "paradigm shift" or anything else remotely to do with science ... glad the good Judge saw it my way! LOL Love and kisses, an Evolutionist Christian



#54459: — 12/20  at  04:41 PM

#54435: David Wilford — 12/20 at 02:29 PM
If I was Bill Gates, I'd be wondering what the hell good it does to give money to the Discovery Institute right about now.

The Gates Foundation money was not for IDC purposes, it was for a traffic study of the Seattle area. Still, I hope he regrets giving them any money which aids their continued existence and anti-science activity, and discontinues such grants in the future.



#54466: — 12/20  at  05:18 PM
Did Behe not notice the evidence of lying by DSB members? His own testimony may have been stunning, but hitching your wagon to a sinking ship isn't safe.
By the end of the trial, were ID proponents disavowing attachments to the case due on DSB behavior? Have they since then?



#54473: Milo Johnson — 12/20  at  05:57 PM
Delightful stuff, thanks for digging it out! Merry Kitzmiller to all!



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