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Tuesday, July 19, 2005

That ol' argument from imperfection

David Barash wrote an op-ed on imperfections in human design that I'll get to in a moment, but right now I'm most interested in this set of letters to the editor complaining about the piece. There are several false claims about the basis of intelligent design in evidence:

The modern ID movement simply points out ample evidence of design (vs. chance or randomness), not perfection (vs. imperfection).

…"intelligent design" - which specifically refers to the empirical evidence that points to the very high probability that a "mind" was at work sometime in the creation of life…The irreducible complexity of life, as is evidenced by the numerous interdependent molecules, cells and organ systems, each of which cannot function without the other (for this is the basis of medical science), points to the intelligent design of life and away from what is promoted by Barash, i.e., all life having come about exclusively by the random forces of nature.

None of this is true. There is no evidence for Design and no body of empirical support for the claims of the Discovery Institute; "irreducible complexity" had its brief moment of glory in the 1990s, was quickly found to be trivial, uninteresting, and wrong and was discarded from consideration on first reading of Behe's book by every competent scientist. Waving one's hands at big piles of complexity is not an argument against evolution, which is very, very good at accumulating messy contingencies. Nor is it an argument against randomness; there is a corner of my garage where we tossed the unsorted debris from our last house move that is extraordinarily intimidating in its complexity, which is why we haven't managed to make a dent in it yet in the last two years.

And please…nobody should be bringing up this bogus claim of "all life having come about exclusively by the random forces of nature". Evolution is not random, OK?

Barash brings up several suboptimal features of the human body—backaches, childbirth, urogenital plumbing, etc.—that are reasonably explained by our evolutionary history. How do these letter-writers explain it using Intelligent Design "theory"? There is the usual excuse of the Fall of Man—we're being punished for our Edenic naughtiness.

We know from biblical passages like Romans 8 that the entire creation is "groaning" for the time in the future when things will be set right (perfect) once again. The Bible never makes the claim that our present bodies would be free from pain or deterioration. But the biblical text does speak of "new bodies" that God will provide, which will be perfect.

There is the "testing" argument: God does it on purpose, giving us arthritis and cancer and crippling injuries to make us better people. I call this one the Sadistic Daddy theory of design.

Our bodies were designed to age and eventually to wear out. It is part of a loving creator's plan to place challenges and obstacles in our path and then to help us overcome them so that we may become stronger, wiser and better. It is also part of the plan that when we have completed our task here in this life we should then move on to the next step in our progression.

I thought this one was theologically interesting—the author wanders a bit off the religious reservation to suggest that God was a bit of a putterer. It's still a poor fit with evolution, though, because evolutionists do not argue that prior forms were failures.

Nor do we believe that the human body is perfect. It has been cobbled together. Like Thomas Edison or any great inventor, there were many trials and errors before there was success.

Don't assume that the last writer was a member of the nearly invisible rational-materialist wing of the ID movement who at least pay lip service to the idea that intelligent aliens did it, though: he starts his letter off this way:

It is evident from reading David Barash's column that he either does not understand what intelligent design theory is, or he is simply dogmatically opposed to it since it relies on the existence of God.

That's another interesting theme of these letters: they all babble out little dollops of Discovery Institute approvable pseudo-secularism, mentioning science or reason or evidence and trying to slap together some sort of rationale that doesn't require simple miracles, but at the same time all also fall back on God. These are religious people who are ultimately basing their adoption of Intelligent Design "theory" on the fact that it appears to provide a rational framework for religious and necessarily irrational beliefs. No one says it plainer than this one:

Intelligent design appeals to intelligent people who have a rational belief in God.

Intelligent people, maybe—but not quite intelligent enough to either a) discard the superstitions of their forefathers, or b) recognize that religious belief is not built upon empirical evidence, and cannot be verified by the tools that are extremely good at probing the material world.

As is common, these writers completely misunderstand the argument from imperfections that Barash presents; they treat it as an argument for atheism, rather than evolution. It isn't. It can be used as an extremely hypothetical argument about the nature of god, I suppose, which is how these writers treat it and as Barash briefly mentions (admitting that these observations could be accounted for by a god of "incompetence or sheer malevolence"), but as an argument for evolution, this is irrelevant. These imperfections are seen as relics of our past history, and indicate that we did have a complex history—we were not born as a species with no heritage from our forebears.

For example, I have a large scar on the lower right quadrant of my abdomen. An objective doctor could look at that and from its position and the degree of healing determine that I had an appendectomy many years ago. He could do tests to evaluate that inference about my history—open me up and see that I don't have an appendix, for instance—and all he would be doing is making a conclusion based on the actual physical evidence. Speculating that I had been born with the scar, that it was punishment for my father's sins or that it was done to test my faith, are not relevant to the material facts.

And that is the argument that Barash is making. Our backaches are a consequence of our posture and our anatomy, which show clear ties to the organization of our quadrupedal relatives. There's no judgment of punishment here—just signs of physical relationships that suggest historical events.


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Comments:
#32391: charlie wagner — 07/19  at  10:10 AM
Paul wrote:

Evolution is not random, OK?


I guess I should be used to this, having been a teacher for 33 years, but apparently not one single word I've said in the past 5 years has had any effect on you.

No, it's not OK, and repeating it over and over ad nauseum will not make it true. According to evolutionary theory, mutations are random and natural selection can only act on what is already present. The only non-random component of natural selection is that those organisms better adapted to their environment will have a greater chance of survival. But it only effects adaptations that already exist
Natural selection has no power to assemble, create organize or construct new processes, structures, adaptations and organisms.
WRT design, you're probably old enough to rememberr Volkswagen beetles and you seem like the kind of guy that might have driven one.
Dr. Porsche designed the car and he was one of the top automotive engineers of our time. However, there are some glaring defects in the engineering that makes one wonder what he was thinking. The window defrosters (such as they were) didn't hardly work at all. The heater boxes would rust out, making the car a veritable gas chamber during extended periods of submarine race watching in Brooklyn. And did you ever try to change a generator? They must have started with the generator and built the car around it.
The point is, the presence of imperfect design or design errors does not rule out intelligent input nor does it rule out an intelligent designer.



#32392: IAMB — 07/19  at  10:11 AM
I enjoyed your example of the garage junkpile. In the past I have used the example of a large forest deadfall for the same purpose. A deadfall could be said to be IC if moving a branch would cause part of it to collapse, but no one assumes a deadfall was put in place by an intelligent purpose.



#32393: Mrs Tilton — 07/19  at  10:26 AM
Charlie,

I will leave it to PZ to handle your assertion that natural selection cannot produce anything new.

As for 'design', though: with the greatest possible respect for the engineering skills of the eminent Herr Prof. Dr. (soviel Zeit muss sein!) Porsche, surely the IDers would claim a greater degree of skill in their Designer? Though of course, if there were a Designer, her shoddy work on elephants (to cite only the one example that Ken Miller used) would suggest that much of her time was spent on return trips to the drawing board.



#32395: — 07/19  at  10:39 AM
Charlie, you are wrong. You are viewing only one level of natural selection and imagining it to be the whole thing. You are stuck in the usual bronze-age human problem of thinking only at your own level.

At the level of the biochemistry, where you seem to claim total unpredictable randomness, in reality (apparently all unbeknownst to you in your self-imposed ignorance) there is still natural selection going on. Some combinations are more resistant to mutation than others and this matters one way or another under different environments (physical and chemical). For a start, it's a plausible argument for getting to DNA when RNA would have done. It's also a plausible argument for the different genetic codes which exist and the different balances of bases and prevalences of coding options.



#32396: — 07/19  at  10:42 AM
I like the use of PZ's appendectomy scar to point out how science works with regards to history, given the topic of bad design. Was that intentional?



#32398: charlie wagner — 07/19  at  10:57 AM
Mrs Tilton wrote:

I will leave it to PZ to handle your assertion that natural selection cannot produce anything new.


I'm not going to hold my breath waiting...


surely the IDers would claim a greater degree of skill in their Designer?


Why? We're not talking about GOD you know ;-:
And besides the level of skill needed to design and assemble living systems already far surpasses anything we humans can accomplish or even can imagine.



#32399: Mrs Tilton — 07/19  at  11:14 AM
Why? We're not talking about GOD you know ;-:

I know you're not. Sometimes, though, I suspect that some IDers may actually think God an even likelier candidate for Designer than those space aliens.

And besides the level of skill needed to design and assemble living systems already far surpasses anything we humans can accomplish or even can imagine.

Pish tosh. I am very far from an expert, but have myself participated in a cooperative endeavour that has produced not one but three living systems. And it didn't even require much conscious thought!



#32400: — 07/19  at  11:18 AM
And besides the level of skill needed to design and assemble living systems already far surpasses anything we humans can accomplish or even can imagine.


I can imagine it, think about what we're doing in medicine today compared to 20 years ago. 50 years ago. 100 years ago. I can imagine it, within the next 100 years. Seriously. I do not see anything "Impossible" for a human to accomplish.

Why? We're not talking about GOD you know ;-:


Who is your designer then? Thats one of my biggest things with ID. I like emperial evidence, and claiming theres an "Designer" but we don't know who, what, when, how, or why... its just an exuse really now. Unless either A) An alien arrived with far superior technology saying we created the first primitive microbe on earth (which still leaves the problem of trying to figure out how the aliens came about) or B) A god which appears, which science cannot explain appears, demonstrates to people how it can make little primitive microbes......

Pointing out flaws in evolutionary theory, does not make either of true

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"As with all of ID, the important thing is first to have the concept. Production can then follow as a matter of course.” -Dembski



's avatar #32402: Chris Clarke — 07/19  at  11:25 AM
Though of course, if there were a Designer, her shoddy work on elephants (to cite only the one example that Ken Miller used) would suggest that much of her time was spent on return trips to the drawing board.


I'm still waiting for the continent-wide groan of horror when the stealth fundies masquerading as ID proponents suddenly realize that all the best designers are gay.

"I do not think we should antagonize the religious when it is not warranted, though I think we should be willing to do so whenever it is.”
-- Glen Davidson



#32403: charlie wagner — 07/19  at  11:35 AM
Mrs Tilton wrote:

I am very far from an expert, but have myself participated in a cooperative endeavour that has produced not one but three living systems. And it didn't even require much conscious thought!


It didn't require much conscious thought on YOUR part, but someone, (or something) wrote the set of instructions in the developmental algorithm that you set in motion.



#32404: charlie wagner — 07/19  at  11:39 AM
Geral wrote:

Pointing out flaws in evolutionary theory, does not make either of true


No, but it makes evolutionary theory false. So we're back to square one: we just don't know.



#32406: charlie wagner — 07/19  at  11:52 AM
Chris Clarke quoted:
“[L]ook back to your childhood. I�ll bet a dollar to a doughnut that every one of your friends and acquaintances who was an asshole then, is a conservative today.” - Rack Jite

I'm the exception I guess. Looking back on my childhood, I was an asshole. But I've grown up to be a pretty decent liberal. But then again, almost every other kid I knew was an asshole too. I might have remained an asshole had it not been for my Jewish friends, who showed me that I could like classical music, I could go to college, I could read "Ulysses" and I could make a difference.



#32410: — 07/19  at  12:22 PM
I'm still trying to figure out what "intelligent designer" would have programmed the Photic Sneeze Reflex into 25% of us humans.

http://tinyurl.com/6ocwm

It makes perfect sense to me as a random mutation that wasn't actively harmful so it remained in the genetic code. It makes no sense as a "design flaw," since it doesn't seem to be connected to the workings of any particular system.



#32411: — 07/19  at  12:49 PM
We've already been over this, haven't we? I thought we decided that the intelligent designer was either incompetent or malicious. Which was it?

I am not sure whether we talked about whether the designer actually built its designs. In this world, most designers are not the builders. Maybe it was the dumbass builder who screwed up the intelligent designs.



#32412: Constantine — 07/19  at  12:50 PM
Intelligent design appeals to intelligent people who have a rational belief in God.

Well, this is true as far as it goes. It has an appeal to people, at first glance. That doesn't make ID true, but the writer's statement isn't exactly false.



#32414: Arun — 07/19  at  01:06 PM
What constitutes a "rational belief in God"?



#32416: Arun — 07/19  at  01:34 PM
E.g, does Thomas Paine in "The Age of Reason" express a "rational belief in God"?

http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/thomas_paine/age_of_reason/index.shtml



#32420: — 07/19  at  02:52 PM
Let's face it: there is no rational belief in god. All beliefs in god are based on tradition (my family raised me in the church, and I live in a christian nation, therefore christianity is true), hope (I don't want death to be the end of me or my loved ones) or ignorance (I don't see how all this could have come into being or mean anything without a god). All justifications for such beliefs are rationalization, not reason.



#32423: — 07/19  at  03:40 PM
"And besides the level of skill needed to design and assemble living systems already far surpasses anything we humans can accomplish or even can imagine."

This is true of natural languages, and so far as I know, no one still asserts that some Designer invented grammars and lexicons. Native speakers are typically incapable of explaining grammatical structures they routinely use without error. Example for the English speakers here: expalin the semantic difference(s)between:

I eat an apple.

I am eating an apple.

Natural languages continually evolve. Comparisons of documents in languages at different points in their histories attest to this. Where's the Designer?



#32425: — 07/19  at  05:04 PM
Charlie says:

"Why? We're not talking about GOD you know ;-:
And besides the level of skill needed to design and assemble living systems already far surpasses anything we humans can accomplish or even can imagine."

I think this is St Anselm's ontological proof of god, is it not. As I have always said, ID is nothing but a religous belief.

When you have evidence of the actions of the designer let me know.



Trackback: Another thing I've never understood Tracked on: rantavation 3.0 (69.30.67.225) at 2005 07 19 17:29:45
There's this weird "cake and eat it too" problem with Intelligent Design that I never understand. The logical acrobatics that it requires baffles me, and I have yet to figure it out. Since ID is creationism's new beard, the IDers wave their hands a...



#32428: MJS — 07/19  at  05:56 PM
"That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence."

Christopher Hitchens (quite possibly muttered to a bartender attempting to collect on a tab)

+++



#32429: — 07/19  at  06:26 PM
The "rational belief" in God is the same as the "reasonable doubt" in OJ's murder trial.



#32430: — 07/19  at  06:34 PM
So, charlie wagner has been a teacher for 33 years (!), and, does not seem to understand that the whole point of Darwin's theory(ies) of evolution is to explain the development of complex structures/organisms using natural mechanisms. If "new" structures, processes, and organisms could not logically or empirically result from evolution, the theory would have gotten nowhere. Cw's assertion does not refute the vast amount of evidence confirming the "theory." See talkorigins.org, they explain it better than I can.



#32431: — 07/19  at  06:41 PM
This is true of natural languages, and so far as I know, no one still asserts that some Designer invented grammars and lexicons.

Well, there are people out there who think the story of the Tower of Babel is literally true and the reason why we have different languages.

They're incredibly deluded or stupid people with zero knowledge of linguistics, but they do exist.



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