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Sunday, September 04, 2005

The godless are NOT celebrating

It's time for the 22nd Carnival of the Godless; I was inspired to see what the godly are up to, and I assure you, we need more godlessness right now, because the blind and deluded and evil are out in force.

Archbishop Alfred E. Hughes of New Orleans:

"God has brought us to our knees in the face of disaster," he said. "We are so overwhelmed, we do not really know how to respond. Powerlessness leads us to prayer. And we know when we turn to God, God offers us his grace."

God offers you nothing, and accomplishes nothing, and his 'grace' is the squalor of a shattered city. This is the religion of the ineffectual. It's the language we've seen a lot of lately: Pray for New Orleans. Thank you, God, for only destroying my home and not killing me. The dead are in a better place now. God protect the members of my sect. Smite the unbelievers.

LifeSite:

Michael Brown, creator of the immensely popular SpiritDaily.com website - popularly known as the Catholic DrudgeReport, has said that Katrina was "definitely" a purification for New Orleans. Brown points out that the name Katrina itself means "pure". And that, Brown told LifeSiteNews.com, is not a coincidence. "I don't believe in coincidences," said Brown, adding that God has everything in His control and "I think that everything is interwoven."

No, Katrina was a natural disaster that killed thousands and has caused suffering to hundreds of thousands more. It was not the sword of your fictitious lord, and this kind of justification of people's pain as the righteous action of an angry god just leads to the sanctimonious hatred we see below.

Agape Press:

Two Christian leaders in New Orleans are testifying to God's mercy in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. One suggests that the death toll could have been much higher had it not been for God's mercy -- and the other that God may have used the hurricane to purge wickedness from the city.

J. Grant Swank, Jr:

As far as Repent America is concerned, divine judgment has come upon a metropolis that was bent on making its environs open to hell’s demons. Therefore, God intervened. There will be no "Southern Decadence" skipping the light fantastic. Over and out. Done. Gone. Under water.

Repent America:

"Although the loss of lives is deeply saddening, this act of God destroyed a wicked city," stated Repent America director Michael Marcavage. "From 'Girls Gone Wild' to 'Southern Decadence,' New Orleans was a city that had its doors wide open to the public celebration of sin. From the devastation may a city full of righteousness emerge," he continued.

Fred Phelps:

Pray for more dead bodies floating on the fag-semen-rancid waters of New Orleans.

I wish those were only rare and hateful kooks, but religion is the breeding ground of this nonsense, and far too many people wallow in lesser delusions that they will use to justify absurdities.

BeliefNet:

…most polls show that 40% of all U.S. adults believe the physical world will eventually end as a result of a supernatural intervention, perhaps with a literal Rapture, Tribulation, Antichrist, and Battle of Armageddon described in the Book of Revelation. Nearly half of all Americans believe the Middle East will be “heavily involved” in the events surrounding the end of the world. And 40% believe the end of the world will come in their lifetime.

Secularism won't protect us from natural disasters, but it also won't encourage us to savor other people's suffering as a vindication of our own beliefs, and it will provoke more rational responses than begging for help from nonexistent deities.

Stop praying. Get out of the churches. Go do something constructive.


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Comments:
#38698: decrepitoldfool — 09/04  at  01:03 PM
One of those paid my site a visit this morning. Said that the Northridge quake was because of pornography and the tsunami was because of homosexuality and "cross-dressing."

I'd better go check my wardrobe and make sure it is masculine enough.



#38699: corsair the rational pirate — 09/04  at  01:06 PM
I have a similar take from an article that appeared in today's WaPo.

http://corsair.blogspot.com/2005/09/right-on-schedule-ignorant-tools.html

Religion is full of miserable bastards, ain't it?



#38700: — 09/04  at  01:22 PM
So far, I haven t heard one word of condemnation from the so-called Christian Community of these malignant creeps. I understand that there are raving loonies in all human areas, but I can t understand the silence from the people they supposedly represent. When I started to read your blog, I thought your attitude towards religion was a bit harsh, but now, I m in total agreement with you.



#38701: Ali — 09/04  at  01:36 PM
About as disgusting as the lack of leadership that let it get this bad.



#38703: ekzept — 09/04  at  01:39 PM
i think the Chinese have the right idea: when floods occurred there historically, one governmental response was a public and ritualistic decapitation of a statue of the River God. so, let's all gather up the crucifixes and ... .



#38704: — 09/04  at  01:42 PM
Slidell LA just NE of New Orleans also got hammered and is home of the creationist organization O.R.A. http://www.originsresource.org/welcome.htm . Katerina took a little jog to the east and did not hit New Orleans head on. There are several possible interpretations. The data always fits my hypothesis….



#38709: — 09/04  at  02:17 PM
Some of us nasty religious types, generally those characterized by the fundies as non-christian (in my case, Episcopalian), responded, and rapidly btw, with material help and no quesitons asked about "finding Jesus.". But we're from the tradition that says you DON'T trumpet your deeds; therefore, we get overlooked by the media and out shouted by the hate filled congregations of the evangelfundies (including the Roman Catholic version).

Yes, I'm pissed off - at both the fundies who call themselves christian yet spew hate AND at those who are so goddamned eager to tar all expressions of Christianity with the same brush.

BTW - the ground zero of New Orleanian decadence, the French Quarter, was generally spared damage and experienced minor street flooding. God, apparently, likes to party. Which is why I am sure that She is an Episcopalian.



#38717: GrrlScientist — 09/04  at  03:03 PM
All this religious-blessed hatred for those who are "different" (excluding MReap's comments, of course) are enough to make reasonable people into hard-core atheists. I often think that people who spew hate in the name of gawd are the best way to make decent people think long and hard about their fellow Xtians and wonder why they are involved with such a hate-driven cult anyway.

Kool-aid, anyone?



#38721: — 09/04  at  03:43 PM
Madison, WI should be next on god's list. BTW, where's my gravatar?????????



#38723: spencer — 09/04  at  03:50 PM
All this religious-blessed hatred for those who are "different" (excluding MReap's comments, of course) are enough to make reasonable people into hard-core atheists. I often think that people who spew hate in the name of gawd are the best way to make decent people think long and hard about their fellow Xtians and wonder why they are involved with such a hate-driven cult anyway.

That's exactly how it happened with me.



#38725: seth edenbaum — 09/04  at  04:03 PM
"One of the main reasons New Orleans is so vulnerable to hurricanes is the gradual disappearance of the wetlands on the Gulf Coast that once stood as a natural buffer between the city and storms coming in from the water. The disappearance of those wetlands does not have the name of a political party or a particular administration attached to it. No one wants to play, "The Democrats did it," or, "It's all Reagan's fault." Many environmentalists will tell you more than a century's interference with the natural flow of the Mississippi is the root cause of the problem, cutting off the movement of alluvial soil to the river's delta.
But in addition to long-range consequences of long-term policies like letting the Corps of Engineers try to build a better river than God, there are real short-term consequences, as well. It is a fact that the Clinton administration set some tough policies on wetlands, and it is a fact that the Bush administration repealed those policies--ordering federal agencies to stop protecting as many as 20 million acres of wetlands."

Molly Ivins linked here

I wish rather than coming off like Max Perutz or Steven Weinbergs as a know-nothing positivist, you would spend some time for once on the sociology of religion. Scientists are no more synonymous with science than policemen are -or should be- synonymous with law. The faithful may be mistaken as to science itself but are they as mistaken as to the logic of human behavior? And if you think that's not the objective purpose of religion you should spend more time in humanities departments.



#38727: ekzept — 09/04  at  04:36 PM
The faithful may be mistaken as to science itself but are they as mistaken as to the logic of human behavior?
doesn't matter. point is, there is an objective, harsh reality out there and should the "logic of human behavior" not measure up, there's a price to pay.

the disrespect for science is not a disrespect for scientists but, rather, the sheer hubris of pretending a certain philosophy or a certain ideology or some arcane interpretation of a stale, dry, and irrelevant religious text somehow confines and limits how reality is.

humanities departments, whether conservative or liberal, don't have a lot to say about reality, being primarily concerned with constructs. not the least of these are the ridiculous claims that science by and large, as practiced, is some kind of cultural and subjective construct.



#38731: ekzept — 09/04  at  04:57 PM
well, can't include CNN with the godless. they are pandering to religious sensibilities in order to sell soap. (or car insurance.)

they have had several stories today hinting at "miraculous intervention" in people's lives affected by hurricane Katrina.

and i have by no means been watching all day, just sampling here and now.

makes me positively ill.



#38732: — 09/04  at  04:58 PM
By "purification," do any of them someone imply eugenic cleansing? As in, 'Thanks, Katrina, for weeding out the infirm who were unable to survive the flooding of New Orleans without an extra 3 days' supply of medical oxygen. And babies unable to tolerate 4 days of dehydration.' That kind of purification.

BTW, are the areas of Mississippi and Alabama that were flattened by the storm also considered "fag-semen-rancid," or are they populated by good Christian soldiers who took a hit for the team?



#38733: — 09/04  at  05:04 PM
BeliefNet: "…most polls show that 40% of all U.S. adults believe the physical world will eventually end as a result of a supernatural intervention...And 40% believe the end of the world will come in their lifetime."

I have a happy fantasy that around, oh, 2035 or so, with no big Armageddon in sight and at least 2000 years gone by since the "Resurrection", some Christians will actually dare to question whether or not Jesus is coming back. I doubt it will really happen, and I doubt I'll be around to see what happens, but I like it as a fantasy of empirically-based messianic belief.



#38734: — 09/04  at  05:06 PM
I found the Fred Phelps links before this was posted! I feel so cutting-edge!

I imagine that even if the hurricane had torn up every single Christian home in America, fundamentalists would be spitting up this garbage about God washing away the unbelievers. Most of them probably wish for the good ol' days, when Sodom and Gomorra were the only evil cities on Earth, and nobody managed to escape.



's avatar #38741: Ben — 09/04  at  06:31 PM
One suggests that the death toll could have been much higher had it not been for God's mercy

Jeebus, since when does a Being of infinite power require a PR press squad? Talk about a captive audience.

I have a happy fantasy that around, oh, 2035 or so, with no big Armageddon in sight and at least 2000 years gone by since the "Resurrection", some Christians will actually dare to question whether or not Jesus is coming back.

Yeah, right. I said that when the millennium clicked over. I'll bet Darrow said that about 80 years before that. And Ingersoll 50 years before that. And Hume 100 years before that. And Voltaire 50 years before that. He's like a leprechaun; always just around the next corner, ready to spring on us Christ-less suckers the violence inherent in the system.

"The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them." --Thomas Edison.



#38744: — 09/04  at  06:56 PM
Same thing in the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/03/AR2005090301408.html



#38745: — 09/04  at  07:02 PM
What I don't understand is, if Katrina was sent as a punishment of New Orleans, why did the godfearing people of Biloxi, MS, bear the brunt of the hurricane itself?



#38747: decrepitoldfool — 09/04  at  07:23 PM
What I don't understand is, if Katrina was sent as a punishment of New Orleans, why did the godfearing people of Biloxi, MS, bear the brunt of the hurricane itself?


Well you know, God is aiming from way out in space - from beyond another galaxy even for all we know. I'd say His aim is pretty damn good to hit our planet at all. (Maybe he was trying to hit a certain ranch in Texas)



#38748: — 09/04  at  07:40 PM
"Secularism won't protect us from natural disasters, "

I don't know if I'd even go that far. Secularism won't prevent natural disasters, but it can sometimes protect us from some of the consequences. Secular building codes have severely reduced the toll earthquakes take on places like San Francisco. The secular levees around New Orleans protected it for quite a long time before Bush took the faith-based approach to levee maintanence and upgrade. They probably would have held through this storm too if the Army Corp of Engineers had gotten the funding they wanted. Secular weather forecasting got the warning out so that 80% of New Orleans got out before the storm...Ok, I'll stop now. I know I am, if you'll forgive the expression, preaching to the choir here.



#38749: — 09/04  at  08:05 PM
Odd (theo)logical inconsistency here: Xtians insist that Gd is an omniscient, omnipotent deity who has the power to create a universe DE NOVO, using powers that are beyond science to describe. Yet to 'purify' and 'cleanse', he has to use the laws of everyday physics to create the necessary tools.

Surely, to bring a 'fornicator' or a 'non-believer' or a 'fag' back into the fold, a deity with such power could simply tweak a few ganglia? Or simply appear?

(things that make you go 'hmmm'..)



#38751: — 09/04  at  08:51 PM
I respect MReap's concerns, but there are too few like MReap out there, giving the fundie bigots the outrage that they deserve. Liberals/Modernists/Moderates/whatever have been remarkably meek about fundamentalism, and all too often, they seem to think that criticism of fundamentalism is much worse than fundamentalism itself. Which is an odd response to the fundies considering them hell-bound frauds and fake Christians.



#38753: — 09/04  at  09:05 PM
You know, if by some bizarre chance I'm wrong and there IS a god, he sure is an asshole.



#38754: Zed Pobre — 09/04  at  09:06 PM
I'm an athiest. Religious people do a lot of things that I can't stand. I still think you're way out of line on your closing remarks. It's possible to be religious *and* be a functioning human being, you know, and sometimes it's religion that gives people the kick in the pants that they need to make a personal sacrifice for the common good.

Here is a list of places on the LSU campus that were busy today assisting refugees. It's listed as places for donations, but these people are doing direct work as well.

http://www.lsu.edu/university_relations/mediacenter/nr/20050901_donations.htm

For those not willing to click the link, here's the list of names:

Energy, Coast & Environmental Rotunda (a bunch of Oceanography grad students)

Maddox Fieldhouse and PMAC (LSU-run)

University Presbyterian Church

University Methodist Church

Chapel on Campus

St. Vincent DePaul Church

Healing Place Church

Notice a common theme there? The secular groups were outnumbered by churches three to one. These are groups that got off their asses in the daytime, inspired their congregations to pitch in and help, both with manpower and with donations, and got real work done.

If it takes a belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster to get people to help, I'll buy them the noodles.



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