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Friday, June 04, 2004

The latest plagiarism tempest

I'm really surprised at Theresa Nielsen Hayden's argument for some legitimacy to the arguments in defense of a case of plagiarism. OK, she's not granting him clemency, but she thinks he has a point (and Kieran Healy disagrees). I don't think he has a leg to stand on.

One argument is that the rules against plagiarism are buried in boring student handbooks. You know, though, I've never read any of the legal documents that say theft is a crime, and I suspect that they are far more longwinded, boring, tedious, etc., than student handbooks. I still know that I shouldn't steal. Students know plagiarism is wrong, copying on exams is wrong, cheating in general is wrong. You simply can't seriously argue that students don't know this simple rule.

Another argument is that since the student had gotten away with this for years, the university should be ashamed of itself and can't punish the little weasel for past infractions, only the one it currently caught him on. If I spent the last three years knocking over gas stations ("but officer, I didn't know it was a crime! The legal code was too boring to read!"), and finally got caught this week, I should certainly think it entirely justifiable to prosecute me for all my prior crimes. That the police failed to catch me before doesn't mean those robberies were OK.

And I'm afraid her closing comment is just a personal peeve, one that really burns me up:

I’m all for taking him at his word. Reinstate him as a student at the University, give him three years’ free tuition, and let him re-do all that coursework he says he cheated on. He’s paid for that education. It’s only fair to see that he finally gets it.

Grrrr. I've had students tell me I need to drop everything and help them with something right now because, they say, they are paying my salary. I've had students complain that because they've paid tuition they deserve to pass my course.

Education doesn't work that way. You don't get to buy your degree, unless you are Kent Hovind. This student has thrown away his opportunity to learn for the past few years; the university and his instructors are under no obligation to subsidize student stupidity, laziness, or dishonesty.


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Comments:
#3037: — 06/04  at  11:29 PM
Well, yeah, he paid -- he got an education he didn't realize he had bargained for. Why let him do it again? Is he now alleging he might learn something different?

It was an expensive lesson he learned, if he learned it. But it was also a lesson of great value, if he learned it.



#3038: Andy Streich — 06/04  at  11:58 PM
You are right on the money PZ. The kid is a con artist. When I was a TA a student faked cancer to get a passing grade. There's a lot of pressure to succeed when you are a student and that's one of the few things in college that prepares you for a job, that and learning a bit about integrity.



#3040: Radagast — 06/05  at  01:13 AM
Your point that getting away with plagiarism in the past does not justify present plagiarism is excellent; one that both Kieran Healy and Theresa Nielsen have overlooked. In fact, if anything, once a student is caught plagiarizing all their prior work should be re-examined for plagiarism.

I've had students try to use the "I've done it before" justification and I find it utterly ridiculous every time I hear it. In these cases I'll include in my reports to the dean that the student has admitted to plagiarizing in the past, and I think it makes the students look worse.



#3043: — 06/05  at  09:06 AM
One might as well re-elect President Bush under such logic, as he tries to excuse his poor leadership by blaming those around him for not doing their job. Hey, we didn't catch him lying, so it's our fault, right? Riiiiight...



#3048: Blinger — 06/05  at  05:23 PM
Amen Brother. I wrote a short bit about this a couple of days ago here, very short, but not nearly as well thought out as yours.



#3049: — 06/05  at  09:01 PM
I knew that the net had made plagarists even lazier and less resourceful than before, but I didn't realise that justifications for plagarism had also suffered a similar decline in quality.

The worst part is the idea that he paid for the education so he should get to repeat it. I say he did it once, blew it in an obvously dishonest and stupid way, and if he wants to repeat it he can pay for another turn at the wheel, just like he would at his local go-kart track.



#3061: Ophelia Benson — 06/06  at  07:31 PM
"I've had students tell me I need to drop everything and help them with something right now because, they say, they are paying my salary."

That's infuriating. You should poke them right in the eyes when they say that.



#3071: — 06/07  at  04:55 AM
According to the Guardian he is going to leave with "£11,000 of debt" - that is the sort of debt you graduate with in the UK by paying about £1.5k in tuition fees a year, plus government subsidised loans to live on (charged at the rate of inflation).

So he was barely paying anyone's wages (I think the fees may go back to the government anyway), the government funds most students in the UK so sod him, he had his chance, he can pay for it himself next time.



#3086: — 06/08  at  08:46 AM
Plagiarism really infurites me. I say plagiarists should be poked in the eyes for it. They should sod off and pay for their own education next time.



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#4929: Leah — 08/01  at  02:48 PM
Great thoughts! I had similar thoughts when I read that article. It really kills me when people think they can get away with plagiarism.

I like my university's approach to things. Before each English class, we're required to sign a "no plagiarism" agreement (and that includes everything from copying words to even citing incorrectly, because this is a university and students should know how to write a damn citation). The agreement is kept with the professor, and we receive a photocopy. Additionally, I don't remember a class where the professor didn't explain plagiarism before a major paper or test.

Really, even if it's just in the student handbook, there's no excuse. I'm sure at least one of his professors mentioned it. It's just common sense.



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