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Sunday, December 04, 2005

The New York Times makes me laugh

What's this? The New York Times is turning its hand to comedy?

Behind the headlines, however, intelligent design as a field of inquiry is failing to gain the traction its supporters had hoped for. It has gained little support among the academics who should have been its natural allies. And if the intelligent design proponents lose the case in Dover, there could be serious consequences for the movement's credibility.

Heh.

On college campuses, the movement's theorists are academic pariahs, publicly denounced by their own colleagues. Design proponents have published few papers in peer-reviewed scientific journals.

Hah.

The Templeton Foundation, a major supporter of projects seeking to reconcile science and religion, says that after providing a few grants for conferences and courses to debate intelligent design, they asked proponents to submit proposals for actual research.

"They never came in," said Charles L. Harper Jr., senior vice president at the Templeton Foundation, who said that while he was skeptical from the beginning, other foundation officials were initially intrigued and later grew disillusioned.

Ha ha…not even good enough for the Templeton Foundation!

"From the point of view of rigor and intellectual seriousness, the intelligent design people don't come out very well in our world of scientific review," he said.

Hee hee.

While intelligent design has hit obstacles among scientists, it has also failed to find a warm embrace at many evangelical Christian colleges. Even at conservative schools, scholars and theologians who were initially excited about intelligent design say they have come to find its arguments unconvincing. They, too, have been greatly swayed by the scientists at their own institutions and elsewhere who have examined intelligent design and found it insufficiently substantiated in comparison to evolution.

The evangelical colleges don't like it? Ha, ha-ha haaaa!

"It can function as one of those ambiguous signs in the world that point to an intelligent creator and help support the faith of the faithful, but it just doesn't have the compelling or explanatory power to have much of an impact on the academy," said Frank D. Macchia, a professor of Christian theology at Vanguard University, in Costa Mesa, Calif., which is affiliated with the Assemblies of God, the nation's largest Pentecostal denomination.

<giggle>

At Wheaton College, a prominent evangelical university in Illinois, intelligent design surfaces in the curriculum only as part of an interdisciplinary elective on the origins of life, in which students study evolution and competing theories from theological, scientific and historical perspectives, according to a college spokesperson.

Wheaton doesn't seem to fly as far off the deep end as some of the bible colleges, so this is no surprise and warrants only a chuckle.

The only university where intelligent design has gained a major institutional foothold is a seminary. Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky., created a Center for Science and Theology for William A. Dembski, a leading proponent of intelligent design, after he left Baylor, a Baptist university in Texas, amid protests by faculty members opposed to teaching it.

Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-haaa! How isolated can Dembski get? The lone kook in his lonely outpost on the fringe…hee-hee.

Intelligent design and Mr. Dembski, a philosopher and mathematician, should have been a good fit for Baylor, which says its mission is "advancing the frontiers of knowledge while cultivating a Christian world view." But Baylor, like many evangelical universities, has many scholars who see no contradiction in believing in God and evolution.

Those theistic evolutionists, out there undermining the good work of the Discovery Institute—yee-hah!

Derek Davis, director of the J. M. Dawson Institute of Church-State Studies at Baylor, said: "I teach at the largest Baptist university in the world. I'm a religious person. And my basic perspective is intelligent design doesn't belong in science class."

I. Am. Laughing. My. Ass. Off.

Mr. Davis noted that the advocates of intelligent design claim they are not talking about God or religion. "But they are, and everybody knows they are," Mr. Davis said. "I just think we ought to quit playing games. It's a religious worldview that's being advanced."

<snort> Yeah. Someone noticed.

John G. West, a political scientist and senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, the main organization supporting intelligent design, said the skepticism and outright antagonism are evidence that the scientific "fundamentalists" are threatened by its arguments.

Anybody else see any "scientific fundamentalists" quoted in this article? I saw a bunch of theologians and representatives of evangelical colleges dissing ID.

"This is natural anytime you have a new controversial idea," Mr. West said. "The first stage is people ignore you. Then, when they can't ignore you, comes the hysteria. Then the idea that was so radical becomes accepted. I'd say we're in the hysteria phase."

HA-HA-HA-HA-HA. Ha. Ha. Heeeeee.

He's right. I'm in hysterics over here. This is freaking hilarious.

"The future of intelligent design, as far as I'm concerned, has very little to do with the outcome of the Dover case," Mr. West said. "The future of intelligent design is tied up with academic endeavors. It rises or falls on the science."

BWAAAAH-HAH-HA-HA-HAAAAAAAA!!! You're killin' me, West. If I weren't trying to type, I'd be rolling on the ground, pounding the floor.

Really. This is the funniest thing I've read in days. When Baylor and Wheaton dismiss you, when Templeton rejects you, when the major evangelical colleges start backing away from you, maybe it's time to realize that your little Wedge strategy isn't working, and the only thing getting split away from the mainstream is your freaky-weird useless ideology.

Point and laugh, everyone! The Discovery Institute is getting the only attention it deserves.


(crossposted to The American Street)

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Comments:
#51955: — 12/04  at  03:41 PM
Great post PZ. I've got an anecdote that I think ties in with some of the stuff you cite. My girlfriend is a seminarian, at the Lutheran School of Theology in Chicago (I'm an atheist, which makes things interesting, but we both think "Love thy neighbor" is a good rule of thumb and we get along fine). She's taking a course there called "Epic of Creation," a lecture series featuring theologians, historians, serious scientists, and various other experts on the various stories and sciences that describe the origin of the world and how we understand it. On the first day, the theologian running the whole show asserted that there is no conflict between evolution an faith, and that ID is, in her words, "bunk" and a feeble, dishonest argument that is not worth wasting time on. It warmed my heart to hear it.



's avatar #51956: — 12/04  at  03:45 PM
The heading was funny too.

(Exits quietly while PZ is still occupied with laughter hysterics.)



#51957: — 12/04  at  03:51 PM
I also loved this article. The discovery institute strategy is going down in flames. Somebody needs to write a greasemonkey script which plays the Black Eyed Peas's song "let's get retarded" when you're at Dembski's website.



#51960: — 12/04  at  03:58 PM
I'm writing Laurie Goodstein a letter of appreciation.



#51964: — 12/04  at  04:26 PM
Funny to a scientist, perhaps--IANAS--but the way it struck me was; finally, a decent story about the IDiots in a major paper. I only wish they had put West's babblings first, and followed it up with the antidote. "Last word", and all that. Encouraging, though. Not enough to pronounce ID dead in te water, because Southern Baptists don't give up easily, but, along with the Dover school board election, cause for optimism.



#51965: Jen — 12/04  at  04:29 PM
I'm so glad I found this site. Reading your site always makes my day. *smile*



#51966: — 12/04  at  04:43 PM
The only thing laughable on this thread is the readiness of the sycophants to join PZ in admiring poor journalism.

I suggest reading the DI’s reply:
Intelligent Design Might Be Meeting Its Maker? Ignorance on Display in the New York Times

Did New York Times report the whole story? You decide.

New York Times Reporter Misrepresents Kansas Even After Being Given the Correct Info.



#51967: — 12/04  at  04:48 PM
How's that research program coming along there, Qualitative?



#51968: — 12/04  at  04:49 PM
Have a Theory of Intelligent Design ready for us yet?



#51969: — 12/04  at  04:57 PM
Not a Jodi WIlgoren article, I note.



#51971: Mrs Tilton — 12/04  at  05:04 PM
Southern Baptists do not, perhaps, give up easily. But note what we have in the cited article: a member of faculty at what is (so I learn from his statement) the world's biggest Baptist university, and he's flushing IDolatry down the toilet.

I hope PZ will bear this guy in mind the next time he wishes that more 'decent Christians' would take their errant brethren to task. I mean, I don't claim to be decent, but I am at least pro-science; but then I have no religious influence whatever and am in any event not a particularly orthodox Christian. But this fellow is a Baylor professor, and he's beating ID with a crowbar. For the Dembskis and Johnsons of the world, that has to hurt.

It's a pretty safe bet that the director of Baylor's institute for church/state relations and I are going to have sharply differing views as to the proper relation between church and state.* He might well think a lot of things that I'd find appalling. But even so, full marks to him on this one.

* Sadly, this wouldn't always have been the case. Though things have changed a lot in recent decades, American Baptists have traditionally been very sound indeed on church/state separation; a tradition going all the way back to Roger Williams, founder of the Rhode Island colony and, more recently, rapid intrasepulchral rotator.



#51972: — 12/04  at  05:11 PM
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/04/weekinreview/04good.html?ei=5090&en=feb51306425b8c81&ex=1291352400&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

That's the URL to use in case you hate logins like I do.



Trackback: Intelligent Design Creationists in Academia Tracked on: Abnormal Interests (64.81.36.251) at 2005 12 04 17:15:59
The New York Times has an abnormally interesting (and funny) article on intelligent design creationism in academia, in this case, conservative religions academia. Here are a few selected quotations (I have added emphasis here and there): "It [intelligent design creationism]...



#51974: — 12/04  at  05:28 PM
Kudos to the Templeton Foundation. It's good to see some religious organizations accepting the truth (especially since truthfulness is one of the pillars of their religion)and not twisting, contorting, and outright fabricating in a silly and disingenuous attempt to further their own agenda. Science is the only way six billion of us can survive on this planet, and although science is responsible for allowing us to reach the state we're in, science is the only way to save what we have left. Attacking science and science education in the manner the IDists have is not only reprehensible, it's suicidal. It's good to see religious people stand up for the truth and not jump on the bandwagon.



Trackback: ID as a research program Tracked on: stranger fruit (129.219.245.62) at 2005 12 04 17:29:12
The DI is continually moaning about how the cards are stacked against the ID movement (due to the evilutionist hegemony) and how they do not get grants for research because they are ID supporters. All of this, of course, is stated without any evidence ...



#51976: bill — 12/04  at  05:37 PM
John West of the DI said that "intelligent design" rises or falls on the science.

OK, let's see the science. New science. Not just a reinterpretation of work done by real scientists.

Come on, John, let's see some real research performed by a real "intelligent design" scientist at a real university, or government lab, or, I'll be generous, private lab.

Put up, Johh, or shut up, please!



#51977: John Emerson — 12/04  at  05:39 PM
I'm going to follow this up, but Tom deLay (kicked out of Baylor in his youth for "pranks") has told his followers not to send their children to secular schools like Texas A&M and Baylor -- effectively, no accredited college is acceptable to him. And this is one of the ten most pwoerful men in the US.

I hadn't known about the Dembski-Baylor connection (and disconnection), but I'm sure that was part of the DeLay story.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/1371848.html

I'm going to follow this up.



#51979: — 12/04  at  06:16 PM
The only thing laughable on this thread is the readiness of the sycophants to join PZ in admiring poor journalism.


The funny thing is, if this were Dembski's blog and you were trying to prove Dembski wrong, your comment would have been deleted.



#51982: — 12/04  at  06:37 PM
Wow, a journalist for a major newspaper finally gets past dawdling with high school boards and checks out how an idea is faring in the deeper waters of academia.

Let's quote a few lines from the Wedge Document

...
Phase I is the essential component of everything that comes afterward. Without solid scholarship, research and argument, the project would be just another attempt to indoctrinate instead of persuade.
...
FIVE YEAR OBJECTIVES
...
3. One hundred scientific, academic and technical articles by our fellows
...
7. Scientific achievements:

* An active design movement in Israel, the UK and other influential countries outside the US
* Ten CRSC Fellows teaching at major universities
* Two universities where design theory has become the dominant view
* Design becomes a key concept in the social sciences Legal reform movements base legislative proposals on design theory
...

Falling just a wee bit short there on the science end of things. How long before John West abandons the dependence on science and embraces the "New Lysenkoism"?



's avatar #51984: PZ Myers — 12/04  at  06:49 PM
Yes, Mrs Tilton, I will look more kindly upon some Christians for this right-thinking action. Of course, you know I'll also find something else about their superstitions to gripe about…

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#51985: Gerard Harbison — 12/04  at  06:53 PM
No fewer than three replies from the Discovery Institute, to just one little article! And I know why they're upset. Donors, above all, don't want to contribute money to a losing cause. A predicted imminent demise for ID will hurt fundraising like nothing else would.



#51986: — 12/04  at  06:53 PM
The NYT article left out the continued quote-mining, ie. http://webapp.utexas.edu/blogs/archives/sarkarlab/003383.html#003383



#51988: — 12/04  at  07:23 PM
I have a fundamentalist brother and sister, and sending them this article really angered them. They said I was trying to "preach to them about my viewpoints". (It's a new article sillies!) It's easy to see why it angered them, and it is fantastic that ID seems to be in its death throes.



#51989: Eva Young — 12/04  at  07:25 PM
Oh IDiocy isn't dead. Their PR machine will continue on - and they will continue to get people saying that the "Darwinist fundementalists" are so mean to the poor IDiots.

They've also complete intimidated Paul Mirecki:

http://www.scsuscholars.com/2005/12/evolution-and-extinction.html

And now the IDiots are trying to say - it's not a religious thing because there are muslim creationists too.

http://www.freedomdogs.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=773&Itemid=2

Hopefully this NY Times article will be reprinted in the Minneapolis Star Tribune.



#51993: — 12/04  at  07:44 PM
And now the IDiots are trying to say - it's not a religious thing because there are muslim creationists too.

Them wacky fundies. They revile Muslims whenever they can, but claim common cause with them when it's politically expedient.



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