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Sunday, September 11, 2005

The World According to Powerline

Ah, Powerline. Evidence that even a progressive state like Minnesota harbors nests of right-wing morons. I always appreciate seeing their foolishness exposed, although I rarely have the stomach to read them. Happily, yes, Sadly, No has troubled himself to read The Smart and the Stupid and taken it apart. The bulk of their case against local columnist Nick Coleman requires that they selectively parse his words, throwing up partial quotes and hiding the things he said that nullify their interpretation. Just a suggestion, Gavin: this is a familiar practice in the creationist wars. It's called "quote mining". The Powerline crew are creationist sympathizers, so I guess it's not surprising that they should adopt their dirty habits, too.

As a further example of their remarkable cluelessness, though, look at this PowerLine argument:

The smart, in this case, is David Riggs, a Ph.D. in applied economics with whom I became friends when he worked at the Center of the American Experiment, a Minnesota-based think tank on whose board of directors I served for some years, and of which Scott is currently a member. David's specialty is environmental economics, and, generally speaking, he advocates free enterprise solutions to environmental issues.

On its face, this is a sound perspective. Where have environmental catastrophes mostly occurred in the world? Where governments have been all-powerful--Eastern Europe under the Communists, for example. And where people are poor; as in much of sub-Saharan Africa. Where have societies best dealt with environmental issues? Unquestionably, where economies are prosperous--that is to say, free--and where government is limited. So one could say that being a free-market environmentalist is almost a redundancy.

I know more than a few environmentalists. Let's just say that none of them vote Republican (the corpse of Teddy Roosevelt weeps dusty tears), and I think Mr Hindrocket accidentally wrote "almost a redundancy" where he should have said "oxymoron". Free markets are fine things, but the rabid opportunism of an unregulated free market is an extremely destructive force opposed to the environment.

As for his claim that our free, rich countries are best equipped to deal with environmental disasters…hmmmm. Rich countries are able to afford to export some of their disasters to poorer countries (does Union Carbide and Bhopal ring a bell?), and it's not as if the US hasn't had disasters of its own: Love Canal, the Downwinders, Three Mile Island, a long list of Superfund sites, and now, of course, Hurricane Katrina.

If we're going to accept Hindrocket's premise that wealthy, small-government nations are environmentalist countries most effective at dealing with environmental disasters, the lesson of Katrina must be that we are a poor country afflicted with a corrupt and excessive government.

Yowling from the Fencepost, a fine Minnesota weblog standing contra the example of Powerline, exposes this remarkable claim from Hindrocket:

Here's my point: whatever you think of the mechanics of a particular poll, the direction of President Bush's poll numbers is clear. And it seems clear that Hurricane Katrina, and the outrageous attacks that the Democrats have pursued over the past week, have dealt him, and the Republican Party, another blow. I see no evidence that the Democrats are paying a price for their dishonorable tactics. And they won't pay a price, unless the Republicans start defending themselves and attacking the Democrats the way they deserve to be attacked. The "turn the other cheek" approach that the administration has followed for years--don't respond to attacks, no matter how unfair, just try to ride out the news cycle and move on--has resulted in one needless wound after another, and cumulatively they have now damaged President Bush's standing with the public, likely beyond repair.

See? That's why I can't read Powerline myself—the irony and hypocrisy levels are just way too high for my fragile constitution. Moses must have the strength of ten to be willing to delve into that kind of painful stupidity.

This is the party for whom the term "swiftboating" was invented, and the administration whose campaign tactics are dictated by Karl Rove, that master of slander, and that comment was made on a weblog that is one arm of the right-wing character assassination machine. How delusional must these guys be to portray Bush Republicans as forbearing, suffering saints of tolerance?

I guess if you're willing to overlook a bloody war of aggression fought on false premises, criticizing a president for mere incompetence does start to look a little unfair.

(crossposted to The American Street)

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Comments:
#39566: Alon Levy — 09/11  at  08:54 AM
The "turn the other cheek" approach that the administration has followed for years--don't respond to attacks, no matter how unfair, just try to ride out the news cycle and move on--has resulted in one needless wound after another, and cumulatively they have now damaged President Bush's standing with the public, likely beyond repair.

Being the misanthrope that I am, could you tell me what planet Hindrocket lives on, so that I can finally leave Earth? Though on second thought, that planet probably isn't any better given that Hindrocket lives on it. Seriously, at least on this planet, Rove has continually smeared the Democrats for being unpatriotic, Republican attack dogs aired the Swift Boat Vets ads, Rush Limbaugh has called the Democrats Nazis...

On another note, have you noticed the way shrill Republicans interpret approval rates? If Bush has high approval rates, it shows that the American people support him and his policies must therefore be sound. If Bush has low approval rates, it shows that the Democrats are simply manipulating the people. I guess that you believe it by definition if you're a Republican, but if you're consistent then you can't do this and at the same time use Bush's approval rates as evidence that his policies are good when they're high.



#39568: — 09/11  at  09:29 AM
Mr. Hindrocket is indeed obdurate and oblivious. Perhaps summary execution of Bush critics would be more to his truculent taste. (i am not being facetious here.)

A commentator to Common Dreams has taken to calling the Bushies "Errorists", in view of their consistent and repeated (repeatable) polict failures. The link is below.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0910-24.htm



's avatar #39569: Moses — 09/11  at  09:45 AM
My secret is simple: Just don't look directly at their blog. I use an object such as a mirror or a shiny butter knife and look at the reflection.

Considering their effort to make Bush a Mr. Nice Guy victim of the Democrats' siren song to the public, I can only speculate that the administration is reaching its nadir.



#39570: — 09/11  at  09:52 AM
Without overgeneralizing about which societies are best able to handle environmental disasters it is true that in the last few years there have been some innovative market solutions to some environmental problems - they may not be viable in all societies or in all cases of a particular problem (i.e. wetlands management) but they can help. I think the problem is that many environmentalists and free market true believers refuse to even consider what the other has to offer. A good summary of environmental economics is in the 4/23/05 issue of the Economist magazine (available online but registration required).



#39573: dread pirate roberts — 09/11  at  10:34 AM
there he goes again. accuse the dems of whatever scummy thing the repubs are doing. there are apparently still enough fools in the public who accept the first insult hurled as though it is truth.

now, who really uses "dishonorable tactics?" we should, of course, teach the controversy. the same folks who insist on moral absolutes don't like objective reality.



#39574: — 09/11  at  10:37 AM
Does anyone still read Powerline? Why?



#39575: Alon Levy — 09/11  at  11:04 AM
For the same reason people take hallucinogens - to escape reality.



#39578: — 09/11  at  11:34 AM
Where does this assclown get the idea that Bushco takes a "turn the other cheek" response to critics? These people are ruthless in attacking anyone who criticizes them, questions their policies, or calls them out on their venality and dishonesty. Valerie Plame, anybody?

Conservative Republicans. Constructing their own reality right before your eyes.



#39581: Incertus — 09/11  at  12:12 PM
Somebody ought to remind Assrocket that the only really small or limited governments in the world are in the Third World. It's precisely because our government is large that it's able to respond to natural disasters. The quality of the response is wholly dependent on the competence of the people in charge, but make no mistake--the most able people in the world can't do it without resources, resources that only a large government can provide.



#39587: Arun — 09/11  at  03:59 PM
The Federal Government exists to ferry Saudis out of the country after 9/11. Ferrying Americans out of New Orleans is a blatant violation of the intentions of the Founding Fathers, Adam Smith, all the way to Grover Norquist.



#39588: Ophelia Benson — 09/11  at  04:05 PM
"On its face, this is a sound perspective. Where have environmental catastrophes mostly occurred in the world? Where governments have been all-powerful--Eastern Europe under the Communists, for example. And where people are poor; as in much of sub-Saharan Africa. Where have societies best dealt with environmental issues? Unquestionably, where economies are prosperous--that is to say, free--and where government is limited. So one could say that being a free-market environmentalist is almost a redundancy."

Apart from anything else, that's a pathetic excuse for an "argument." Even if it were accurate on the facts (which it isn't) it would still be a classic confusion of correlation with causation.

Grade: zero.



#39589: — 09/11  at  05:27 PM
"Does anyone still read Powerline? Why?"

Kristjan,
Sure, they read it because it's Blog of the Year!



#39590: — 09/11  at  05:28 PM
Oh, I forgot to add: ARRRGHHHH!



#39592: — 09/11  at  05:38 PM
Coincidentally (and before I came here), I read that 'turn the other cheek' post at Powerline this morning. I emailed Powerline about this blatant lie, and on a second read-through even pulled back my blue language.

Powerline replied with this unsigned email within the hour:

"Wow, you must be a liberal! Don't worry, it's a curable condition. Your county probably has agencies that could help."



#39593: — 09/11  at  05:54 PM

I see no evidence that the Democrats are paying a price for their dishonorable tactics.

Yes. A little-known fact (in the Hindrocket universe) is that the Democratic Party sent Katrina, using a mixture of Brazilian voodoo and obscure Maori Buddhist rites.

Now they are paying the price; the Republican Party has already contracted with Halliburton to find a Zimbabwean Taoist and Chinese Ojibway medicine man in order to direct meteors at the homes of leading Democrats.

The War of the Gods (or is that clods?) is on! (Pass the popcorn.)



#39594: — 09/11  at  06:28 PM

The "turn the other cheek" approach that the administration has followed for years

Yeah, what Alon Levy said. And don't forget Karl Rove's apparent act of treason was payback for Ambassador Joe Wilson's publicly telling the truth, thus undermining (unfortunately not successfully enough) Bush administration attempts to lie us into a war.

Did I mention that it appears Karl Rove committed treason? It hasn't been on the front page in a couple of weeks now.



#39595: — 09/11  at  06:50 PM
Business lobbies and their sycophants have long fought environmental regulation, often making economic doom'n'gloom predictions. But the economic doomsayers have often been proved wrong.

So the capitalism groupies, as I call them, are trying to take vicarious credit for what they had opposed and often continue to oppose.

In fact, Communist countries' environmental devastation is a result of following the economy-before-environment policies that capitalism groupies often advocate.

Although it must be conceded that some environmentalists' more pessimistic predictions have not come true, at least not yet, the environmentalists are sometimes very seriously right, as with New Orleans.



#39596: — 09/11  at  06:55 PM
</blockquote>The "turn the other cheek" approach that the administration has followed for years</blockquote>

haha, hohoho.
As Bill Hicks would say: "Jesus, what balls!"



#39598: — 09/11  at  07:06 PM
But don't miss this shocking ending from the Hindrocket:
It isn't contemptible to be wrong, of course. But it is contemptible to smear an opponent, impugn his motives, and misrepresent his position--all while arguing from a posture of complete ignorance of the relevant scientific and economic facts, to serve a radical political agenda.

Doesn't that just make your head explode?



#39600: — 09/11  at  08:27 PM
Haven't we learned anything by now? Whatever these guys say is 180 degrees from the truth. Let's take the Bush line that "now is not the time for blame"... What did they do? They organized a massive effort to blame State and local authorities in Louisiana.



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#39602: — 09/11  at  09:39 PM
Beagle59-

You chose the correct word -- "some" free market solutions have shown promise. The big one is the tradable-permit scheme. A partcularly significant one got incorporated into the 1990 Clean Air Act to reduce SOx emmissions, and by most accounts has been a resounding success. Some free market folks have also done good work in pointing out deep bureacratic flaws in what they call "command and control" environmentalism.

But understand what "free market environmentalism" really is, which is basically a laissez-faire cultist's dream, cooked up by Chicago school neoclassical economists (notice - economists, not biologists or lawyers or such), with the helpful backing of various rightwing think tanks, who have spent far too much time reading Fred Hayek and Milton Friedman et al. In other words, only a hardcore libertarian (is there anyone more annoying in their earnestness than a libertarian?) could have come up with it. FME assumes a priori that *all* government regulation *always* a) fails to protect the environment and b) is inefficient and money-wasting. Therefore, according to FME it follows that by establishing private property rights in the environment, protection will follow because of the (usually unquestioned)assumption that all private owners act to protect their property, usually in a court of law. If one person harms another's property (pollution, say), they can be sued - therefore, the logic goes, no one will harm the environment in a free-market world because of the threat of lawsuit. Environmentalism by tort, basically.

This conveniently ignores a) the fact that the biggest usually win in court - if Corporation X harms you, you'll probably lose your suit because of their legal resources, guilty or not, b) FME litigation would require a huge increase in court cases - try squaring this with all the conservative talk about "tort reform" and limiting clas action suits, and c) capitalism conceives of nature as wealth, as commodity, and in a profit-oriented world commodities usually get, well, commodified when the profit potential is high enough. If you're gonna make a million on gutting your privately-owned redwoods and grinding them into toilet paper,as opposed to saving them, in a FME world that's exactly what you'll do.

Besides, the mechanics of FME are ludicrous. FMEers talk seriously of "privatizing" the atmosphere by using "fences" of laser beams. They mean to literally privatize everything. It boggles the mind. Imagine "owning" whales and having to "sue" another owner when "their" whales eat the krill you "bought" for your whales. Only a fool or an economist could come up with such an idea (little joke - yes, I know about Herman Daly and such!).

For some academicy reading: the FME instruction manual in Terry Anderson and Donald Leal's _Free Market Environmentalism_. For an excellent rebuttal see the (I think) October 1992 issue of the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy. See also Herman Daly's stuff, and a new book by Eric Freyfogle called _The Land We Share_.



#39603: — 09/11  at  09:40 PM
As for his claim that our free, rich countries are best equipped to deal with environmental disasters…hmmmm... Bhopal... Love Canal...Downwinders... Three Mile Island.. a long list of Superfund sites


Yea! You go girl. And don't forget Chernobyl! ...Hmmmm. Ow. That wasn't a free rich country, was it?



#39606: — 09/11  at  11:01 PM
Love Canal, the Downwinders, Three Mile Island, a long list of Superfund sites, and now, of course, Hurricane Katrina.


Don't forget about the Cuyahoga River!



#39607: Adam Ierymenko — 09/11  at  11:05 PM
Powerline is by far the dumbest of the big right-wing blogs, although instagruntit is much funner to parody.

"Grunt grunt the war is going well.

Ray Kurzweil says the singularity is near.

More good news from the war. Grunt grunt.

Grunt grunt New Orleans Grunt black people grunt grunt here is another opinion grunt grunt Karl Rove grunt.

Grunt grunt, but grunt grunt or grunt.

The war is going well.

More good news from Iraq.

Grunt didn't grunt grunt and grunt."

... and so on... smile

P.S. Don't forget Boston Harbor. I just moved here and have heard the stories of how the Harbor *used* to smell.



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