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Sunday, August 28, 2005

There ain't nothin' there!

Most of you have probably already heard of this insane California lawsuit—creationists are demanding that legitimate universities accept transfer credits from Christian schools' "science" classes that use substandard textbooks and don't meet the standards of the University of California. You really must take a look inside one of these Bob Jones University-quality textbooks:

The people who prepared this book have tried consistently to put the Word of God first and science second…If…at any point God's Word is not put first, the authors apologize.

Case closed.

This is something we have to deal with at universities all the time. We get transfer students, too, and we have to evaluate how their prior classwork corresponds to our requirements—after all, if they transfer to this university, and are planning to get a degree from this university, we're not going to give the degree to them because they met the standards of some other random university. Every year we get several students who want transfer credit from a community college or some other institution, and we review their class syllabus, look at the textbook used, ask whether it was a lab course or not, etc., and make decisions about whether it's good enough for UMM.

Looking at those excerpts, there's no way we'd accept a course taught with that book here. If this lawsuit isn't laughed out of court, I know what I'm going to have to do: set up a mail-order university in my basement, offer courses in Advanced Molecular Biology and Molecular Genetics taught out of comic books, and tell people all they have to do is give me $200, I give them 100 credits in basic and upper level biology courses, and then they transfer to UC Berkeley, take a few basket-weaving courses, and graduate with a prestigious Berkeley biology degree. They have to accept any ol' trashy transfer credits, after all.

That'll pay the bills when the creationists get their way and gut science teaching of its content, anyway. Let's not beat around the bush on that, either: their goal isn't to teach new ideas, it is to throw out good science and replace it with a vacuum. A Daniel Dennett op-ed today, Show Me the Science, explains that well.

To date, the proponents of intelligent design have not produced anything like that. No experiments with results that challenge any mainstream biological understanding. No observations from the fossil record or genomics or biogeography or comparative anatomy that undermine standard evolutionary thinking.

Instead, the proponents of intelligent design use a ploy that works something like this. First you misuse or misdescribe some scientist's work. Then you get an angry rebuttal. Then, instead of dealing forthrightly with the charges leveled, you cite the rebuttal as evidence that there is a "controversy" to teach.

Note that the trick is content-free. You can use it on any topic. "Smith's work in geology supports my argument that the earth is flat," you say, misrepresenting Smith's work. When Smith responds with a denunciation of your misuse of her work, you respond, saying something like: "See what a controversy we have here? Professor Smith and I are locked in a titanic scientific debate. We should teach the controversy in the classrooms." And here is the delicious part: you can often exploit the very technicality of the issues to your own advantage, counting on most of us to miss the point in all the difficult details.

William Dembski, one of the most vocal supporters of intelligent design, notes that he provoked Thomas Schneider*, a biologist, into a response that Dr. Dembski characterizes as "some hair-splitting that could only look ridiculous to outsider observers." What looks to scientists - and is - a knockout objection by Dr. Schneider is portrayed to most everyone else as ridiculous hair-splitting.

In short, no science. Indeed, no intelligent design hypothesis has even been ventured as a rival explanation of any biological phenomenon. This might seem surprising to people who think that intelligent design competes directly with the hypothesis of non-intelligent design by natural selection. But saying, as intelligent design proponents do, "You haven't explained everything yet," is not a competing hypothesis. Evolutionary biology certainly hasn't explained everything that perplexes biologists. But intelligent design hasn't yet tried to explain anything.

This is going to be one of my major points in that creationism lecture I'm giving in our introductory biology course this term. I'm planning to walk in with a stack of books by creationists, and hand the students a list of creationist texts, and invite them to read them (yeah, we biologists aren't afraid of this stuff at all; I've got a fair number of creationist books, and if any of my students want to read them, I loan them out), and then I'm going to explain that there is nothing in them. None of these books ever propose any answers, except the older creationist books, which say it's all in the Bible. The ID stuff is embarrassingly vacuous. All they contain is diatribes against "Darwinism", as flawed as Dembski's trick above, with no proposal to replace it.

(By the way, I'm also going to teach Flying Spaghetti Monsterism to our students this year. It may be a parody that some creationists can't understand, but it is actually a better idea than what the IDists peddle. For one thing, it actually offers a hypothesis.)

The absurd creationist lawsuit and Dembski's sleazy tactics reinforce one thing I've said before: it is not enough to politely refute these guys. As we can see, what it has led to is a situation in which creationists aren't at all embarrassed about publicly proposing some of the most incredibly stupid ideas—they know they'll get some well-mannered press which soberly recites their lunacy, and for balance, adds a quote or two from some science geek somewhere. They know this is a win:win situation for them: even if they lose the case, they get attention and respectful comments in a big-name newspaper somewhere. They might even get some wrathful right-wing commentator to openly defend their claims for them. At worst, they get some no-name professor cussing them out on an obscure weblog.

At least some of us are saying it plainly, though: these people are ignorant idiots. They are anti-scientific snake-oil salesmen. And they are damaging this country.


*If you haven't read Scheider's knockout, here it is. Although it does have some technical bits, I don't think it is difficult at all to get the gist of it. He points out huge holes in Dembski's ideas…

These increasing and reductional mappings were not modeled by Dembski. In other words, Dembski "forgot" to model birth and death! It is amazing to see him spin pages and pages of math which are irrelevant because of these "oversights". Dembski's entire book, No Free Lunch, relies on this flawed argument, so the entire thesis of the book collapses.

…and I don't think it's hard to grasp the point that a mathematical model that claims to refute evolution, yet fails to include birth and death, has some serious logical errors.

Schneider also point out Dembski's incomprehension and distortions of other problems:

Schneider thinks that he has generated complex specified information for free, or as he puts it, "from scratch."

This statement represents a fundamental misunderstanding of the paper. The phrase 'for free' does not appear in the paper. The claim in the ev paper is that the information appears under replication, mutation and selection, commonly known as 'evolution'. It is not for free! Half of the population DIES every generation! In the standard example given in the paper, to gain 4 bits required the (virtual) deaths of some 32 organisms x 704 generations = 22528 deaths. On average that's 22528/4 = 5632 deaths per bit. Note that theoretically one could get 1 bit of information with only 1 binary decision. So the evolution is, not surprisingly, a rather inefficient information generating mechanism. No biologist has ever claimed any differently!

Note that "from scratch" does not mean the same thing as "for free". "From scratch" refers (obviously) to the initial condition of the genome which is random in this case so that Rsequence = 0 bits. That is, there is no measurable information in the binding sites at the beginning of the simulation. "For free" would mean "without effort", and the paragraph above demonstrates that there is quite a bit of effort and (virtual) pain for the gains observed.

See? A few technical bits, but the central point—that Dembski does not understand that which he criticizes—shines through clearly.


You can see a scan of a page of the Christian biology textbook here.


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Comments:
#37804: — 08/28  at  09:59 AM
They might even get some wrathful right-wing commentator to openly defend their claims for them. At worst, they get some no-name professor cussing them out on an obscure weblog.

Too FUNNY!! This was just a great post. You may have even convinced me to stop being polite... but probably not.



#37805: WitchyProf — 08/28  at  10:21 AM
A student recently sent me the Flying Spagetti Monster theory, too. http://www.venganza.org

In my science courses, I teach that science is one theory and religion is another. They are both attempts to explain the universe. However, since this is a science course, I'm teaching science not religion, and that's what you'll be tested on. As with a philosophy course, you're expected to know the body of theory pertinent to the field, not to some other field.

It's not a matter of what the "truth" is. We feeble humans don't know all the truth. Each academic discipline has a body of theory and research to learn. Science is about science, and religion is about religion.

Intelligent Design Theory has at its basis a religious theory. So it belongs in the Religion Department, not in Science.

I also make it clear that you can believe in several contradictory theories at once if you wish, and that many people have no problem reconciling science with their religion.

But we're not going to discuss whether God made the universe in a science class.



#37806: Matt Ficke — 08/28  at  10:22 AM
I can't believe "Flying Spaghetti Monsterism" has a wikipedia page, that's amazing. Perhaps the revolution is truly beginning.



#37807: — 08/28  at  10:53 AM
I just got around to reading _Endless Forms Most Beautiful_. It's one of the best popular science books I've seen in a long time. Maybe Bill Gates or somebody should be asked to pony up to send a free copy to every household in the country. _Somehow_ word has to be gotten out about the massive, incredibly exciting and beautiful scientific revolution to which the IDiots are laugably trying to oppose their vacuous bullshit. ID is at bottom a movement of pure cultural vandalism, like the Taliban's destruction of those monumental Buddahs in Afghanistan.



#37808: — 08/28  at  10:59 AM
I had never heard of the Flying Spaghetti Monster until earlier this week, and since then I've seen two other separate references (including the one here). Weird when that happens.

... the hypothesis of non-intelligent design by natural selection...

That's an interesting, and potentially perilous, phrasing. I take it that natural selection still stands as a theoretical framework, but whether it is guided by intelligent or non-intelligent forces can only be hypothesized. Like hypothetical ET life, or the Gaia hypothesis.



#37810: sort of buddhist — 08/28  at  11:08 AM
Grumpy - If natural selection (and the other mechanisms of evolution - don't forget them) provide a satisfactory explanation of the biological phenomena, "intelligent guidance" doesn't add anything. One might as well say that Santa Claus or the King and Queen of the Leprechauns direct evolution.

The only way in which "guidance by intelligent forces" would be a legitimate scientific hypothesis would be if it explained something that evolutionary theory itself doesn't. But it obviously doesn't.



#37811: Alon Levy — 08/28  at  11:15 AM
I contend that I am being discriminated against because the university doesn't accomodate my view that religion is so destructive that every religious student must be brainwashed in a style similar to this depicted in The Manchurian Candidate. Can I sue and require the university to do that in order to accomodate my beliefs (well, after I go to graduate school, anyway - here the only frivolous lawsuits that succeed are the libel lawsuits the ruling party uses to intimidate its political opponents)?



#37814: jay denari — 08/28  at  12:42 PM
I agree entirely, but one element you've written is wrong, PZ. It's NOT about college transfer credits... it's about woefully undereducated high school graduates starting college. The textbooks in question are for 10th graders.

Of course, there is a solution: let the kids come to college, but require them to take a real biology class taught by a real biologist to graduate. Given today's scientific climate, requiring Bio 101 for EVERYONE, rather than just a generic science requirement, in all colleges would probably be a good thing.



#37815: Bryson Brown — 08/28  at  12:49 PM
I particularly like Dembski's little two-step on the math: When it's used against him, it's just "hair-splitting", but when he does it (badly, misleadingly, even dishonestly) it's ground-breaking work that proves evolution is impossible. You can't have it both ways, Bill!



Trackback: Good science, bad science, or no science? Tracked on: Adventures in Ethics and Science (66.159.239.140) at 2005 08 28 11:59:18
Once again, PZ Myers is showing justified dismay at the politically and religiously driven attempts to undermine science, this time as defined (for the purposes of transfer credits) by the University of California.



#37816: — 08/28  at  12:54 PM
If you read the full article, you will find that the high schools are suing on grounds of religious discrimination.

That's right, it's science, not religion. Except when it isn't.



#37819: — 08/28  at  01:15 PM
Bob Jones biology isn't all bad. Why, it's the reason I discovered Talk.Origins and learned as much as I could about evolution! Had a halfway decent book been used, I probably wouldn't be reading Pharyngula now. Yay Bob Jones!



's avatar #37820: Hank Fox — 08/28  at  01:17 PM
I don’t think the point can be made often enough, that these people pushing intelligent design creationism are the ENEMIES of America. Seriously. 70-plus years of communism, fascism, etc., couldn’t put a dent in the science, medicine, or philosophy of the United States, but these haters of intellectual freedom are doing it in a decade or so – and within our own borders.

Other than environmental catastrophe or errant nuclear weapons, I don’t think there is any greater threat to the United States or its citizens today than the anti-intellectual, anti-science, anti-education, anti-freedom movement powered by the strident fervor of Christian neo-conservatives.

They will tell any lie to get their way. And they’re being surprisingly successful because they’ve found a strategy that works: Attack the intelligence and understanding of Americans AT ITS SOURCE. Destroy education, science, information and news – rewrite history, turn complex issues into quickie sound bites, cast doubt on long-known facts, viciously attack anyone who disagrees with them, destroy people’s ability to get unbiased factual information, politicize every question of fact in terms of friends and enemies – and eventually we become a population which is virtually unable to resist believing anything they tell us.

Destroy people’s minds ... and you own them.

Once they’ve damaged us so much that we can no longer really think with or evaluate facts, heroes can be made to look like liars, alcoholics can be made to seem saviors of the world, thieves can be recast as public benefactors, drug addicts can become spokesmen of morality, endless war can seem absolutely necessary to peace, child molesters can be shielded in the very foundations of the community, and shameless propagandizers can present themselves as “fair and balanced.”

If they win, there will never, ever be accountability for any lie or theft or transgression or needless death that DOES get found out – because every whistle-blower or critic will instantly be made to look like a traitor.



#37821: Kagehi — 08/28  at  01:23 PM
Actually.. One very 'simple' solution would be to not except 'any' credits, unless the student can past a competency test that proves they learned the material they are supposed to get the credits for.

Heck, some 'required' classes at the college I went to let you try to test your way out of taking them at all. In fact, it might have been possible to do that in most of the classes for all I know. Wish I had known that. I could have probably passed the basic Psychology final (which seemed to have more to do with biology..) with an 80-90%, even without taking the class. As it was I almost never opened the book, took almost no notes and the final, which was open book, I only opened it once, to check on something dealing with the eye. I got only two question out of like 200 or something wrong. Knew reading Scientific American for years prior was worth something. lol

Anyway, point is, acredidation should be based on 'if' they learned it, not 'if' they took it. It kills two birds with one stone. 1. A complete moron can't jump schools and 'appear' to know what they are doing when they don't. 2. The validity of the acredidation itself can be judged based on the effectiveness of the school to teach the information, not just on what it claims to be using to teach it.

Any priest or shaman must be presumed guilty until proved innocent - Robert A. Heinlein



#37822: — 08/28  at  01:36 PM
As a footnote, the attorney representing the Association of Christian Schools International in this lawsuit is Wendell Bird of Arkansas v. McLean fame.



's avatar #37823: PZ Myers — 08/28  at  01:37 PM
Ick, Jay, even worse. It does kids no favor when they come to college without the necessary background knowledge--if they are allowed in, it just means we get to pocket their tuition money, struggle a bit and lower the content of our courses to try to bring the lowest common denominator up to speed, and then...they flunk. I've also seen this happen with students who think the prerequisites for our courses are only recommendations -- they get in over their heads, they suffer and flail about, they get lousy grades, and all of their courses suffer.

There's a reason high schools have standards. The parents and preachers who are pushing this crap off on the kids are committing child abuse.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#37824: Burt Humburg — 08/28  at  02:09 PM
PZ,

Have you seen these T-shirts yet?

http://www.spreadshirt.com/shop.php?sid=3533

(Clicky the one for the FSM.)

BCH



#37825: — 08/28  at  02:13 PM
I think that comming up with lots of bad ideas is part of the plan. It is the shotgun approach, throw out lots of ideas and hope a few of them hit the target and that the rest will be forgotten. And so you end up with 99 bad ideas and one idea like "teach the crontroversy".



#37826: Burt Humburg — 08/28  at  02:18 PM
PZ, here's a better link.

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/08/26/jim_leftwichs_flying.html

Apparently, it's pro-NCSE!

Woot for BoingBoing!

BCH



#37830: Burt Humburg — 08/28  at  02:34 PM
And more besides...

http://www.rof.com/

BCH



#37831: — 08/28  at  02:35 PM
I could not get Denton's link to load, so I'm not sure exactly what is being litigated, and, besides, I'm not a lawyer.

But I remember what happened when the AMA tried to exclude chiropractic on grounds of good v. bad science. The AMA lost, big time, in the Circuit Court of Appeals, with a decision written by Manion, son of the famous troglodyte lawyer Clarence Manion, once dean of law at Notre Dame.

I can see science losing that lawsuit, especially if it comes down to a question of diplomas from accredited high schools.



#37832: — 08/28  at  02:38 PM
I'm sick of all of this ID crap and biology. Biologists do not have a lock on this issue. I am going to write a new chemistry class that teaches IC (Intelligent Chemistry) the secret fermentation process of turning H2O into a very nice merlot.



#37850: — 08/28  at  07:01 PM
This is the crux of the battle. This is why I.D.ers want your kids to be as stupid as their kids. Here's a generation of parents who have intentionally worked to indoctrinate their children to a biblical worldview, intentionally tried to limit and stupidify their offspring, and now they want to claim equal access to publicly funded higher education. Well. blow me sideways, ya want to have your cake and eat it too! Does this mean my sinful, open-minded, gay-acceptin, pro-abortion, non-zero-tolerant and generally non-superstitious kids get to go to heaven, too?

Religionists frame this as a "constitutional" issue regarding their freedom of speech and freedom of religious association. Please, shut the fuck up! If you want to iradicate constitutional protection for the multitude of liberal causes that Jesus himself would have likely no doubt backed, why should you get a pass on this one?

Of course, these arguments are spurious on their face. Universities "discriminate" in their selection of suitable students all the time (or else the process would not be called selection). And the process the schools undertake to select students affects nothing regarding their previous or current or future speech or religious association. The students spoke and associated this way previously, they may do so currently and in the future as well. Nothing regarding their selection to university weighs on these expressions of their rights.

If a student speaks Martian, was educated in Martian, and holds all her beliefs in Martian, would it be a constraint on that student's rights if she were denied entrance to UCLA because she could only communicate in Martian? Well, I guess one could make the argument that as a student of difference, she should get a special accomodation. Is this true of these I.D. kids? Are they asking for special accomodations because frankly they have been too dogmnatically indoctrinated to function at the level of a state university?

Do proponents of advanced education for I.D. students admit that their students are handicapped by their ignorance? And that that should sway the case for them? 'Cause on the basis of constitutional rights, they are surely trying to piss up a rope....



#37883: Richard — 08/29  at  06:30 AM
PZ,

I'd be curious to hear what you think of Scott Hagaman's argument that we should be teaching these unfortunate children now that their fundamentalist parents can no longer censor their education, at last.

To quote: "if they are accepted, the chance that they stop believing in creationism increases. The crux of the argument is that students very much in need of higher education and otherwise capable of excelling are being arbitrarily deprived of that education... Might this be a fundamentalist agenda in disguise? Perhaps UC wants more Californians to be creationists? Is it possible that they want their citizens to remain uneducated, unexposed, and less capable of functioning in the broader community?"

Something to think about.



#37903: — 08/29  at  10:33 AM
It is hard to balance the frustration I feel with the push to teach ID and the apathy I feel toward how important the issue truly is.
Turning this nation into a theocracy is a scary proposition and we must resist. At the same time, the home-schooled, religious-cracker-academy graduates are not going to become tomorrow’s doctors and PHDs unless they realize that mom and dad were full of crap. This will happen in the give and take/push pull of college.
There were a number of things I was sure of until I got to college and was quickly disabused of those family/church implanted positions.
One of the benefits to college is that you are forced to question your beliefs and defend your position and life. I have faith that the people who count will recognize that ID is crap.
A number of states have public boarding high schools for students gifted in math and science. In a tough selection process juniors and seniors take college level courses and live together. It is a hive of smart kids who compete with each other without the distractions of the true rednecks in the hall.
Why don’t we pick one of these schools and offer the ID proponents the opportunity to create a class and provide a teacher for the dangerously smart kids. It would be interesting to see the material and to see who they provide to teach. It would also be fun to watch these kids deal with the material. The experiment might be worth the trouble. If ID proponents can’t present rational material and convince the best and brightest should they be turned loose in a standard classroom?



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