#48333: Federico Contreras — 11/10  at  08:58 PM


LOL, my submit word is dominant. I'm telling you, it's proof of *something*!

#48337: AvengingAngel — 11/10  at  09:49 PM
Speaking of Pat Robertson and the American Taliban, one of most ironic - and enjoyable - side stories of the CIA Leak/PlameGate investigation has been the discovery of Lewis "Scooter" Libby's trashy 2001 novel, "The Apprentice."

As it turns out, poorly crafted, soft-core pornography seems to be quite the cottage industry among America's conservative chattering classes.

For the full story, see:

"Hard Liners, Soft Porn: The Perverse Prose and Titillating Text of Team Bush"

#48341: Bryson Brown — 11/10  at  10:21 PM
Jim, I'd be more charitable to Robertson if his 'prophecies' were anything but crude, prideful and blatantly self-serving. I can still be charmed by a clever, insightful, modest, reflective approach to religion (though it never tempts me to join up). Some good moral impulses can be served if it's done right. I'd rather they weren't served that way, but it beats using religion to threaten and bully and puff yourself up, which is all that's left in Robertson et al.

#48342: — 11/10  at  10:32 PM
Poor Pat. The citizens don't like Scibonics.

I kinda hope some big storm hits Dover soon. Dover, Delaware.

How funny would that be?

#48350: Tim — 11/10  at  10:52 PM
Pat has been walking the tightrope of insanity for many years and is just about ready to fall off. If a ficticious entity designed Pat, I don't think that entity was very intelligent to create such an unbelievable moron and one that claims to be as holy as his ficticious creator to boot. Sad, sad old man.

#48354: — 11/10  at  11:46 PM

Pretty common in the Old Testament for God to pull that kind of stuff.

---Dave

Actually you have it backwards... It was pretty common for the Oligarchs to credit the "Creator" retroactively with the stuff... Or to vaguely 'predict' catastrophe and crow when it happens, as catastrophes ALWAYS do, eventually (surely, some wierd thing will happen in or near Dover in the next decade).

So let's cut Robertson a break. A guy's gotta make a living.

--Harrison
NOT! Let him make an HONEST living, like carpentry or accountancy. Allowing him (and his ilk) to prosper by extorting money from the innocent/ignorant is ...well... sinful.

#48357: — 11/11  at  12:26 AM
Pat Robertson has long been an exponent of the "God is a bully, you'd better do what I tell you he says" school of theology.

Ever since a bunch of his followers got fed up with him in the 9/11 aftermath, he's been increasingly desperate for attention.

-jcr

#48368: — 11/11  at  09:22 AM
Pat Robertson's god(small g on purpose not accidental) sounds like a spoiled petulant child. Much like Mr. Robertson himself (once again Mr. not Rev. on purpose - lets not offend those that work hard and seriously at their religion). If you dared vote against what he says his god wants well then his god will ignore you in need or even take active revenge against you. Funny my bible says God is very diferent - loving, careing, forgiving and tolerant - that is probably why this Robertson is still around. If God was anything like the petty, vengeful god that he believes in Mr. Robertson would have been blasted by lightning years ago for denigrating God's name.

#48374: — 11/11  at  10:12 AM
You know, sometime I should see if Pat Robertson's Heaven has a mailing address. I'd like to send his god a little gift from http://www.zestuff.com. It's a blue t-shirt that reads, "I solve my problems through violence."

#48391: — 11/11  at  11:55 AM
Of the 2 Robertson stories on Pharyngula in the past week, one was phoney and one sounded authentic.

The difference between the two is obvious to me, as obvious as the difference between a dog and a cat. But not, apparently, to many other Robertson haters.

I still think that it pays to understand your foes.

True story about Robertson, from his early, impoverished days.

The husband of one of his true believers, a Christian but not a fanatic, volunteered to do the news broadcasts on Pat's TV station. One day he came in and said, 'Brother Robertson, I can't go on today, I have a terrible migraine.'

Robertson took him into his office, turned off the lights, asked the volunteer to kneel and they prayed. Robertson got up, turned on the lights and said, 'Now, your headache's better now, isn't it.'

'No. I quit.'

#48392: — 11/11  at  12:00 PM
Why are you reacting? God doesn't "exist " in your world anyway. I think your clueless.

#48395: removed — 11/11  at  12:04 PM
If god weren't so damn omniscient and omnipresent, we could probably relocate Dover citizens to some witness protection site until the divine heat subsided. Jesus Christ, god can be a real son-of-a-bitch.

#48398: Jay Hovah — 11/11  at  12:18 PM
"Why are you reacting? God doesn't "exist " in your world anyway. I think your clueless." - Dr Thom

1) Pat is a whoremongering attention lover.
2) Pat isn't God dumbass.
3) Pot, kettle, black.

#48402: dr.thom — 11/11  at  12:39 PM
Why are you reacting? "God"doesn't "exist"in your world.

#48403: — 11/11  at  12:43 PM
I think Pat Robertson meant to say that we should all be kissing Hank's Ass.

#48404: — 11/11  at  12:49 PM
why are you reacting? "God" doesn't "exist"in your world.

#48406: Kagehi — 11/11  at  01:15 PM
We are reacting because a lot of clueless idiots do think God exists, and which Pat Robertson is one of the looniest, you also have crazy nuts like the ones that are trying to get people to boycott WalMart, on the basis that 7000+ items for Christmas should get a special search index 'just for them', but that given Hanukkah and Kwanzaa special searches instead (277 items total) is persecution of Christians:

http://www.pandagon.net/archives/2005/11/tis_the_season.html

We are reacting because these idiots have the majority of otherwise sane an rational people in the US convinced that because a few of us are actively fighting back against a, "We Christians should have special treatment, just because well... we are Christians", war that started even before this country was ever founded, religion (by which they specifically mean fundimentalist and evangelical Christianity) is somehow *under* attack. Note, the majority of people are convinced religion itself is under attack, because asses like Pat are not honest about 'which' religion or even 'which' branch of Christianity is 'supposedly' being attacked. We are reacting because the mission of these people is nothing less than the create a state religion, by carefully crafting piles of laws that impose 'their' fundimentalist ideals on everyone else, then 'claim' that such a state religion doesn't exist, because no specific religion is ever mentioned in the laws. Like that make a @#$#@$ difference if the law is based on the facism lunacy of fundimentalist, evangelical, moral relativistic fools, that are never the less oddly selectively exclusionary of which bits of Biblical literalism they ascribe to.

They are dishonest, lying, morally bankrupt thieves with theocratic, totalitarian ambitions, and we would have to be either complete idiots or equally morally bankrupt to *not* react to these people's ambitions to undermine reason and logic, then replace them with completely self interested, quote mined (yep, they even do that with their Bible), religious bullshit. Imaginary things *can* hurt you, if enough idiots think its real enough to do something about it and enough other people can be duped by ignorance and emotion to support the lunitics view over reason.

Pat was among the first moron to say that Christians where under attack. All his followers went, "Gosh! It must be true." And now year later something like 70% of the US thinks, "Religion is being attacked." Its bullshit, but all it took was for Pat and others to say it might be the case, then point out all the 'supposed' attacks. The fact that if you where to chart it you would probably find 50 times as many attacks against secularism 'before' the backlash against religion, is as irrelevent to these people as WalMart actually giving Christmas shoppers 7000+ items specific to Christmas. Christians are not being given ****all**** of the attention, so ***they*** are the ones, according to these nuts, that are being persecuted. Same here. Creationism isn't being given *all* of the attention in Dover, so according to Pat, Dover is going to hell for not being Christian enough.

Christianity is what they define it as, according to them, and anything that doesn't acknowledge it is heathen, Satanic, athiest, evil and should be purged from the surface of the earth. And Pat, being one of the looniest, has floods, earthquakes, tornados, tsunami, hurricanes and HIV on the list of things that *wouldn't* happen, if everyone just because a Christian.

Sorry, but I am not going to lay down and 'let' them brand me on the ass with a cross. That is why we are reacting Dr. Thom.

Sorry about the rant everyone else...

#48409: — 11/11  at  01:38 PM
I'm not reacting because of any of the big issues that Kagehi raises, though he's right all down the line.

I'm reacting because Pat Robertson is a lying, thieving crook whose 700 Club used terrorism to coerce a mentally ill friend of mine to give Robertson all her money. She's destitute.

If there is a god, Robertson burns in hell. And Dr. Thom, too, I reckon.

There are occasions when I wish there was a god and that he was just.

#48411: — 11/11  at  01:51 PM
That was a GREAT RANT dude! A veritable word picture of a sleazy guy and a sleazy concept. Can you go off on Dembski by next Friday? Something to keep me going until Dover is picked up by a tornado and miraculously lands in KC.

#48412: — 11/11  at  02:04 PM
Dr Thom, I personally think that a god or gods do not exist--certainly not the one Robertson imagines--but I fail to see why that should make me unconcerned about the hateful ranting of someone like him, who influences millions of similarly addled idiots, with results such as my children potentially being taught yours and Pat's pathetic superstitions as though they were scientific, or being made to feel inferior because they aren't as deluded as you and Pat.

It's an interesting dichotomy the religious nuts want to set up--anyone even responding to their blathering assertions is anti-religious, while we're not supposed to assert anything about what we believe because according to them we believe "nothing."

#48416: — 11/11  at  02:44 PM
Incredible. All of this hate-filled ranting and raving by "educated" people about a "God" and his "deluded "followers when this "God" is "nonexistant" in your estimation anyway. I find it astounding. Really makes you wonder about who is scientific and who is grasping at straws. I would think a more Academic and Scholarly approach is in order. This blog is anti-hate but, I am seeing a lot of hate/extreme dislike/and Nazi-style name calling for those of "other opinions".

#48417: — 11/11  at  02:57 PM
Harry, You "reckon" wrong.

#48419: — 11/11  at  03:10 PM
ben, you assume that I am teaching pathetic superstition . How can that be possible in the world of moral relativism and situation ethics. How can you make the judgement that what you teach is of more value or validity than what I teach? Isn't everything relative ?

#48420: — 11/11  at  03:16 PM
Not worried about god, dr. thom. Robertson exists, though, and he destroys people.

#48421: — 11/11  at  03:21 PM
I find it astounding.

Why are you surprised that intelligent and rational people are angered by liars and hate mongerers?

Nazi-style name calling

Having actually studied Nazi propaganda I'm going to have to point out that a.) no it isn't and b.) the fact that the Nazis have done something doesn't automatically mean it is bad. They were also pro big (though specific,) business, anti smoking and patriotic.

How can you make the judgement that what you teach is of more value or validity than what I teach?

Science is nondogmatic, is not founded on assumptions, is self corrective, inspires further research and understanding and is useful. That is how.

-Schmitt.