Pharyngula

Pharyngula has moved to http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/

Monday, October 11, 2004

To people who hate humanity…

I sometimes find myself furious with the anti-abortion ignorami. They are utterly oblivious to real humanity, as they rush to embrace the abstraction of a clump of cells, and profess their love for mere zygotes. Digby has an appalling example of this phenomenon; the freepers are squealing their hatred at the late Christopher Reeve, gloating at his death, all because he endorsed embryonic stem cell research. Here are a few ugly examples from the so-called "Free Republic":

The main gist of the dem line is: we need to keep legal the ability to take growing humans and detroy them through abortion so we can use their body parts to help other people like Chris Reeve (potentially) live better. The bloodlust is positively demonic. I am just not happy hearing about this this AM.

Ahh... reminds me of the Paul Wellstone rally err memorial service. Always trying to work in a political advantage over a death, aren't they.

You think you're cynical? I am wondering if Clark Kent would possibly pull the plug on himself in a desperate attempt to "matyrize" the stem-cell issue and help Kerry?

Reeve seemed like a nice chap until he got involved with the pro-death wing of the democrat party. We can't always get what we want, but we often get what we deserve.

The fact is, Mr. Reeve spent his last days using his fame and access to champion the murder of unborn children.

The fact is, Mr. Reeve took very clear and very selfish political stands and used his medical condition to gin up sympathy for murder.

I've written before about how the anti-abortion position is one that actually devalues human life. Michael Bérubé has similar sentiments. I think I need to express myself in simple words for these dumb bastards.


To you anti-abortionists:

Figure 1. These are children.

these are kids

Figure 2. These are embryos.

these are embryos

I can tell the difference between 1 and 2. Why can't you?

Figure 3. This is a human being. No matter how damaged, he is a thinking, feeling person.

this is a person

Figure 4. These are a few cells. They are only part of a person. They do not think or feel.

these are a few cells

When you tell me you think an embryo is the same as my kids, you cheapen the worth of my children. They are much, much more than that small thoughtless blob. You reduce the value of family to mindless chemistry and metabolism.

When you damn a human being and sneer at his death, while raving desperately that every speck containing a human chromosome set must be cherished and preserved, you tell me that you are hypocrites who trivialize human loss.

I know where to find people who really value human life, and it's not in the cult that worships Figure 4.


Trackback url: http://pharyngula.org/index/trackback/1381/iHCLX6oV/

Comments:
#6952: — 10/11  at  04:33 PM
Well said, PZ!



#6953: — 10/11  at  05:08 PM
Figure 1 looks like great blackmail material, too.



#6954: — 10/11  at  05:22 PM
As a member of a religious group that plainly believes life begins at conception (unlike Christianity) I would like to say that even though I do value the blobs as having souls, I would never vote to force this belief onto anyone else. Kerry put it very well the other night. We simply DO NOT have the right to vote like that. It's craziness.



#6955: — 10/11  at  05:27 PM
Once again PZ your logic and communication thereof are excellent. Forceful, direct .... and most of all, correct.



#6956: — 10/11  at  05:32 PM
Right. I guess the use of embryonic stem cells to help suffering children is more demonic than much of the Republican Party's Hitler-esque mistreatment of ACTUAL human beings and their rights - such as minorities, gays, women, and the impoverished.

Congratulations, anti-abortionists. I guess the way into heaven is to be Pro-zygote and Pro-whitestraightrichguy.

Oh yeah, and a Pro-death Democratic Party?

How many deaths of LIVING HUMAN BEINGS was George W. Bush responsible for as governor of Texas? What is more pro-death than the DEATH PENALTY?

Even the argument for saving a MURDERER is easier than the argument for allowing the suffering of our diseased in exchange for a couple of undifferentiated cells.



#6957: — 10/11  at  05:40 PM
In this case a few pictures were definitely worth thousands of words. Strange how unsympathetic they are toward the more developed humans who don't agree with them.



#6958: — 10/11  at  06:28 PM
What bothers me most about the "pro-life" crowd is that many of them aren't even sincere about their own professed beliefs. They have seized upon abortion and homosexuality as divisive, hot-button issues that can be exploited for political advantage. Cheney and Bush are the supreme examples of this. They don't give a rat's ass about the profound moral questions surrounding these issues; they just need some wedges to divide the electorate and feed their wingnut base.



#6959: WolverineTom — 10/11  at  06:32 PM
I couldn't have said it better. Good job!



#6962: — 10/11  at  07:02 PM
Bravo, PZ!
The issue is when to protect a growing life, not when it begins. Life clearly begins even before conception; just look at a wiggling sperm.



#6963: — 10/11  at  08:32 PM
"...the cult that worships Figure 4."

That is a damn good literary construct.

Damn good!



#6965: — 10/11  at  08:48 PM
PZ,

Although I agree with your point, I believe you paint anti-abortionists with too broad a brush. You of all people should know that there are many intermediate stages between the pictures you label "embryos" and "children" (fast computer and not so fast computer). Although you may believe personhood begins 40 weeks after conception, you shouldn't tar and feather those who believe personhood begins a few weeks earlier. Just as there are many stages of development, there are many grades of anti-abortionist.



#6967: — 10/12  at  12:52 AM
Has anyone pointed out the high rate of often undetected spontaneous miscarriages in, well, every organism with a womb? Does this mean that God is pro-abortion, or something?

(Oh, and look out: from the looks of figure 1, some sort of nefarious toothy monster has crept in to your happy family photo (far left of frame). He's trying to hide but it's not working.)



#6968: Hank Fox — 10/12  at  01:07 AM
Goldang, PZ, well said!



's avatar #6970: Ben — 10/12  at  02:55 AM
*stares at zygotes*

*looks at humans*

*squints at zygotes again*

I dunno, I'm still having trouble telling them apart.

I love the South Park episode featuring Reeve snapping the heads off aborted foetuses and sucking out the insides, and eventually becoming a genetic superman with an increasingly ravenous appetite for foetus-innards. Pro-lifers were probably too alarmed to notice their beliefs being satirised and comprehensively lambasted. Who knows, perhaps some of them actually believe that it's what stem-cell research entails.

"The great trouble is that the preachers get the children from six to seven years of age and then it is almost impossible to do anything with them." --Thomas Edison.



#6971: Reed A. Cartwright — 10/12  at  03:35 AM
I think it is amoral to have abortions to provide for research. I sure 100% of Americans agree with me. However, it is better that we as a people have the option to get some use out of the tissue.

If people are going to argue against stem-cell research, why are they not arguing against every human anatomy class in medical school?



's avatar #6972: PZ Myers — 10/12  at  07:43 AM
I know it's at least a bit less than 100%.

I don't have any problem with that at all. Why should it matter how we get the zygotes? Is it somehow more ethical to pump women up with hormones so that they hyperovulate and you can collect a dozen eggs, most of which will be discarded (or, we wish, used for research)?

I'd like to see this strange idea that we ought to approach an abortion as an intrusion on a sacred process discarded. It's like having a wart or a cyst removed; when we remove a few cells in a biopsy, who gets all finicky and reverential? Do we get weepy at the loss of human potential with every menstruation? I say we should all quit treating the fetus as a magical token, and go for it.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#6973: — 10/12  at  08:35 AM
It's a trivial matter, Professor, epecially I suppose in this context, but when calling others ignoramuses, you really MUST avoid the false Latin plural "ignorami." In Latin, ignoramus isn't a singular noun, it's a plural verb form, meaning "we don't know," "we are ignorant."



's avatar #6974: PZ Myers — 10/12  at  08:41 AM
I'll keep that in mind in the future. I'll accept the charge that I'm a Latin ignoramus.

PZ Myers
Division of Science and Math
University of Minnesota, Morris



#6975: — 10/12  at  09:06 AM
Indeed you are . . . but you know what you don't know. That puts you in better company than most.



#6976: — 10/12  at  10:59 AM
Very powerful post.



#6978: — 10/12  at  01:46 PM
I agree with Andy that phrasing the question in terms of the extreme ends of the spectrum begs the question of when it is amoral to terminate a potentially human life. I believe it is wrong to terminate after the fetus is viable (about 20 weeks), and I personally don't know of a good point prior to that where I can say before is not human and after is human. I know I do not speak for all of the pro-life side.

On a slightly different note, is it possible to utilize terminated ectopic pregnancies as a source of embryonic stem cell tissue?



Trackback: Awesome Piece... Must Read.... Tracked on: ISOU (66.96.128.113) at 2004 10 12 14:53:37
Okay, you all know my position on Abortion, I think. If you dont, here it is: Abortion: Against it, except in cases where the mother’s life is in danger. Too many people use abortion as birth control. UPDATE: I thought...



#6999: mattH — 10/12  at  04:47 PM
Excellent post, especially that it highlights the inabillity of some conservatives to see beyond the symbolic in any real way.



#7007: — 10/12  at  05:55 PM
Great point, PZ.

As to the material from the Freepers that you quoted, three words, one slightly edited:

Pure. F***ing. Filth.

(Using quadriplegia to "gin up sympathy for murder?" How stupid do you have to be to write something like that, much less believe it?)



#7017: — 10/12  at  11:03 PM
"Cheney and Bush are the supreme examples of this. "

Actually Cheney has different views then Bush on many topics. For instance Cheney has a lesbian daughter and believes that the issue of gay marriages is an issue of state.



Page 1 of 3 pages  1 2 3 >

Next entry: The third Grand rounds

Previous entry: A good feeling…I think

<< Back to main

Info

email PZ Myers
Search
Archives
UMM—America's best public liberal arts college