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Wednesday, August 17, 2005

Watch out, Hoosiers—creationism is gearing up in Indiana

This is a lovely idea—I would cheerfully endorse including this kind of course in a high school curriculum, and think kids would learn some valuable ideas from it.

When some residents in Columbus petitioned the School Board three years ago to give the Bible's creation account equal time with evolution, school officials came up with a novel response.

They created a new class -- under the heading of social studies -- that examines all the theories on human origins. Not only did the class cover evolution and creationism, it also surveyed Navajo beliefs, the Hindu creation story and a host of other perspectives.

Greg Lewis, the social studies chairman at Columbus East High School, figured a skeptical public would put his Human Origins class under the microscope. "Teaching the course was like walking a tightrope," he said.

In the end, the dissection Lewis expected never came. The course's treatment of the issues seemed to soothe the population to the point that, after two semesters, so few kids were interested in the subject there weren't enough to fill a course section.

Alas, as you can see from that last paragraph, that is the reaction we could have expected. The creationists are not sincere about wanting their kids exposed to a diversity of alternative ideas…they just want their myths promoted, and they all fade away otherwise. I imagine the science-minded kids were also unenthusiastic about the course, since it wasn't going to give them the hard information they needed.

And now, of course, the bigots and uneducated zealots want to bring Intelligent Design creationism into Indiana science classes.

…a fledgling advocacy group is threatening to sue Hamilton Southeastern Schools if the district fails to give a "balanced and nonpartisan" view of the origins of life -- in other words, to let Darwin's critics get equal time.

The group -- headed by Delaware County resident Alex P. Oren -- has a stated mission to stop "the influence of atheism and immorality" in public schools. While his faith motivates his effort, Oren insists he isn't seeking equal time for God, just the arguments against evolution.

"This is not science versus religion," he said. "This is science versus science.

Wrong. There is no science behind Intelligent Design creationism—it's all a ploy to sow FUD and get an established science out of the classroom. Oren's conflation of "atheism and immorality" as what he is fighting blows his case out of the water right there; he's another fundamentalist using the ID smokescreen.

This newspaper article started off well, but after Oren makes his absurd claim, the journalist seems to have gone out to lunch and resorted to the usual dueling quotes—I don't get the impression he's in favor of ID being taught, but he makes a limp case. All he has in response is Glenn Branch of the NCSE (good) followed by Dembski and the Answers in Genesis museum (appalling). May I make a suggestion, reporters? When someone claims X is science, call up your local university and ask a scientist in the relevant field if it is. Ask two or three scientists if you want multiple opinions. But don't waste your time asking your garbageman, that homeless guy on the sidewalk, or a theologian, and don't report their opinions as if they have equal weight with the informed ideas of qualified scientists, OK? The last third of this article should have said, "Scientists don't agree with him. Some non-scientists with religious opinions on the matter claim X is a science." Spell it out!

On the other hand, it is good to see Dembski and ID tied to this kind of sentiment again:

Here in Indiana, Oren freely acknowledges that his challenge to Hamilton Southeastern is motivated by his belief in the biblical account of creation. And for him, the stakes in the fight for public schools couldn't be higher.

"For many kids, this is where it begins," he said. "The choice between God or no God often comes right here."


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Comments:
#36131: Curt Rozeboom — 08/17  at  10:26 AM
Thanks for taking time to post this PZ! We've got a growing biotech industry here in IN with the drug co., Eli Lilly, being the leading job-provider in Indianapolis and the surrounding counties. Many of those employees live in the growing Hamilton SE school district. I expect that this article will cause a very swift response. And be sure to watch the Star's editorial column tomorrow! http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=OPINION01



#36137: saurabh — 08/17  at  11:16 AM
The science-minded kids may not have gotten the hard information they need if they're looking to answer the question of origins. But creation myths are so much more than that - they're incredibly informative social documents, the basic motifs of how people have attempted to understand their relationship to the universe. If you're interested in that (and what it means about us and our societies), there's plenty of hard information to be gleaned.



#36139: notheory — 08/17  at  11:20 AM
Curt's comments bring out the irony of Ohio's situation. A lot of noise was made during the last gubernatorial regarding education and building up an environment which will attract new tech to the state, such as bio-tech companies. Of course, these statements were being made concurrent to the state educational board attempting to undercut the teaching of evolution in biology classes.

Perhaps they don't get that ohio will be unable to provide skilled employees for a bio-tech company if they don't say... teach biology.

In conclusion, David Horowitz is an intellectual pygmy.



#36145: — 08/17  at  11:31 AM
States like Ohio (and maybe now Indiana) are trying their best to sink below Alabama economically- with workforces just as uneducated as Alabama's, but more expensive. That should really be a winning combination.

What really sucks about Ohio is that our ignorant, thieving politicans aren't even entertaining scoundrels like the ones in Louisiana- they're just boring empty suits like Gov. Graft.



#36146: Marcus — 08/17  at  11:34 AM
It is indeed a lovely idea that the Columbus school board came up with, but as I state elsewhere, I can't endorse including this kind of fluff in the high-school curriculum - whether in science classes, or social studies - when I see so many college freshman who can't add fractions or write a coherent English sentence. Instead of finding ways to shoe-horn religiously motivited pseudoscience into the public school system, how about concentrating on giving young people the tools they need to successfully compete with the millions of highly motivated, highly skilled kids coming out of India, China, Russian, and elsewhere?



#36147: Dan S. — 08/17  at  11:42 AM
I'm kinda sad, as someone who majored in anthro, that the origins course died out. It's really fascinating stuff - and no, not fluff, either, but I'm not getting into that argument. It's just sad that there's so little intellectual interest behind all this fuss.



#36148: Dan S. — 08/17  at  11:47 AM
It does suggest that for most people, it's just a relatively vague upset that their beliefs might be absent from the school. Unfortunately you get folks climbing aboard and rerouting the worry train to pseudoscience central . . .

I believe there was a similar proposal put forward in Dover at one the school board meetings, but the creationist members weren't havin' it . . .



#36149: notheory — 08/17  at  11:49 AM
Odd story. I know Bob Taft personally (went to school w/ his daughter). He's a really nice guy. My opinion of the whole mess (although i'm not sure what to make of this stupid crap over golf outings), is that Taft's the straight guy who's getting shafted for all the misdeeds of the rest of the crooks in the Ohio GOP. Too bad he fell in with the wrong crowd. But this is based on gut intuition, and not any first hand knowledge of actual facts.

But anyway, if you want entertainment at Gov. Taft's expense go pick up The Other Paper, their articles on him are always very funny.

If you want funny (or irritating) politicians look no further than Columbus (ohio), Mike Coleman (D) is a laugh riot particularly given his penchant for outraged (usually justified) outbursts, and his utter unremorselessness for said outbursts. That or our wonderfully loathesome Secretary of State, J. Kenneth Blackwell (R), who i can't help but laugh at, because he makes me so angry smile

In conclusion, David Horowitz is an intellectual pygmy.



#36150: — 08/17  at  12:11 PM
I hope the attorney for the Hamilton Southeastern District has the cojones (it's a Texas term) to tell the guy to sue -- but that the district will not take a stand on a science issue that is counter to the National Academy of Sciences and the county's leading pharmaceutical manufacturer/employer.

A suit like that should get quick summary judgment -- against the people petitioning to water down the science courses.

That's the way it should go.



Trackback: Perhaps we need to INCREASE public school curricu Tracked on: Axiom (72.9.234.70) at 2005 08 17 10:19:49
Funnily enough, a course exactly like the one that I describe below has been taught in Indiana (of all places) as a part of the social studies program. I agree with P. Z. Meyers



#36155: jay denari — 08/17  at  12:41 PM
I thought this quote pretty much summarized the entire "dispute": "When you get competent educators together to write standards, they are going to include evolution," Branch said.



#36156: — 08/17  at  12:50 PM
Sitting in my geology grad student office at Indiana University 30 years ago, I occasionally could hear the classroom discussion in the other room as one student would question the professor about certain points of evolution. I was kind of surprised that such a student would even be taking geology courses. But that student was the only example of Creationist activity I came across in the few years I spent in Indiana.



#36157: Arun — 08/17  at  12:54 PM
Minor error in the write-up - there isn't one Hindu creation story, there are many. These stories don't compete, i.e., this story is "true" and those other stories are "false", and so evidently, don't serve as explanations.

Once a religious story is not an explanation, whatever else it is, it no longer conflicts with science. The interesting thing to find out is what the stories were created for, if not to serve as some sort of explanation. (I should add that the usual theories for the origin of religion in mankind are merely plausible stories, and are not scientific).



#36161: — 08/17  at  01:25 PM
I think it was a great idea.

An even better idea: Add religion as a mandatory subject from grade 5 and up. Not the "Christian education" of bygone days, but a balanced overview of all major and a selection of minor religions. Teach the kids about myths, sacred writing, articles of faith, rites, the works. Even have them read bits of the holy texts.

With the (lamentable) influence religion has today on societies around the world, it's simply not possible to understand events and conflicts without knowledge about religion (culture and history are also necessary, but that's another post).

A bit more awareness of the world would hopefully prevent repetition of the more glaring mistakes in US foreign policy.



#36164: sort of buddhist — 08/17  at  01:43 PM
I really get the impression that most reporters hate to talk with scientists because they feel so intellectually inferior. They'd much rather talk to other ordinary folks like them, and theologians (theology being, as de Sousa memorably said, "intellectual tennis without a net").

In other countries, there is a tradition of respect for intellect, but here in God's country, every one has to be on the same poorly-educated or uneducated level, or they get kneecapped very quickly.



#36165: — 08/17  at  01:53 PM
Looks like I'm suddenly on the Front Lines... Okay... Anybody need help in Indiana (though I'm on the Southside of Indy, I can help out nonetheless)? Maybe we could form Hoosiers for Science Education or Scientific Hoosiers In Trenches or somesuch. Email me, we'll scheme.



#36168: — 08/17  at  02:10 PM
And your local IDers could form a competing organization, Indiana Natives Backing the REDefinition of Science.



#36169: — 08/17  at  02:15 PM
Jeffry Keown
email me I live in Southport, teach ANP at Ivy Tech Lawrence campus



#36180: — 08/17  at  02:52 PM
Magnus said: An even better idea: Add religion as a mandatory subject from grade 5 and up.
This worked where I was in 6th grade. The class was split into groups and each group presented a brief explanation/description of one of the major religions. I don't recall that any group came out and said what they presented was the one true religion. These days, the greater ethnic diversity in many places might make such student presentations even better.



#36199: — 08/17  at  05:27 PM
Jeffery Keown and fusilier,

I'm in Bloomington, Indiana, and I'm interested in doing something. I'm starting up a new semester here in a few days, so I'll be busy, but I'd be happy to pitch in when and where I can.



#36223: beche-la-mer — 08/17  at  07:44 PM
Reading this entry, it suddenly occurred to me to wonder how many proponents of ID have actually read "The origin of Species" and come up with coherent arguments and evidence against the specific examples Darwin gives. I mean, they're all so keen for scientists to give equal time to their "text book", the bible.

I started reading Origin two years ago and I'm still struggling through it. I have to admit there are whole chapters about pea flowers that really went by in a blur, but it's not that difficult to understand.

And yes, I have read the bible, cover to cover. Whole chapters of genealogies and arcane instructions about temple sacrifice that went by in a blur, as well.



#36262: — 08/18  at  04:24 AM
Having been raised in the Hoosier (Bucolic Boob) state, this should come as no suprise. Indiana is the most northern Southern state in the nation. The Mason-Dixon line runs through Muncie.However, I recently read that East Noble High School in northeast Indiana will only inculde evolution in its cirricula.



#36265: — 08/18  at  07:02 AM
Not sure what age grade 5 is, but in Britain kids in state schools learn about all major religions right from the start and in secondary school (from age 11) it's part of the national curriculum (ie mandatory) in all state funded schools, including church schools. In my experience the way it's taught is admittedly superficial, but is open minded and doesn't privilege any one over the others. Many RE (religious education) courses are also branching out to look at humanism and atheism in an open minded way and one GCSE (the exam taken at 16) course is far more about ethics than religion.



#36268: — 08/18  at  07:48 AM
What I want to know is when are people treat my Creative Landscape Artist Theory of geography with the respect it deserves, huh?
Never mind plate tectonics, vulcanism, deposition, uplift, erosion and ice ages. Mountains were shaped to look real pretty, encourage ski-ing, and to keep Nevada from getting mixed up with California.



#36427: Curt Rozeboom — 08/19  at  09:47 AM
And after I made what I thought was a resonable editorial comment to the Star, the only one this printed was this: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050819/OPINION01/508190437/1031. Along with Gary Varvel's cartoon: http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050819/OPINION02/308190001/1093
I'm going to have another go at responding to Dr. ODair's comments. Anyone wanna take bets what he's a Dr. of? I think the best response is to point out that none of the ancient thinkers he mentions had ever heard of evolution, though many of them (perhaps with the exception of Aristotle) would likely have embraced it!



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